Driverheaven zer0point 0.6697.Q Final

pr0digal jenius · Jan 17, 2005, 04:50 AM

DH ZP Drivers have finally reached the final stage. Behold, the modified Forceware 66.97 Drivers

Here is the "Interesting Features" list:

-DXT5 Texture Compression enabled and set to default.
-OGL Texture Compression enabled by default
-Forced 32bpp
-Forced Triple Buffering
-3Dc enabled
-Chipset specific compatibility enabled for a vast array of chips
-Instruction sets enabled: MMX, SSE2, 3DNow!, SSE
-OGL Texture Clamping enabled
-Texture Sharpening enabled
-Forced Trilinear MipMapping
-256 Burst enabled
-Heapsize modified to minimize hitching
-Other such nicknacks and quality enhancements

New super compressed install package

1 - Unpack the SFX file
2 - Run unpack.bat
3 - Run setup.exe

Game specific tweaks

-HL2/CS:S autoexecs for both 6x00 and 5x00 cards
-Doom3 autoexecs for both 6x00 and 5x00 cards

Special thanks goes out to knyz, Judas, and everyone who has beta tested for us..you guys rock.

DOWNLOAD NOW

ATi Drawbuffers enabled, so get out there and get in the game it was meant to be played

-John "pr0digal jenius" Kalland
-Andrew "PoopyTheJ" Rady

*NOTE* - English only, all foreign language files have been removed.

*UPDATE* - the new dedicated server is up and thus the download link has been changed as such...enjoy the massive pipe

Daishi · Jan 17, 2005, 04:57 AM

what has changed between this version and your previous version?

pr0digal jenius · Jan 17, 2005, 04:58 AM

a few tweaks here and there, and one or two values got changed as we played with it a bit. Aside from that, we ripped out the non-english files and packed it down way small.

mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 05:00 AM

thx for all the hard, great work guys! looking forward to more.
the next driver release is supposed to be coming fairly soon & is supposed to have a fix for the 'pee h2o'. given some of the good things i have heard about 7150 these might be a good candidate for your expertise.
see, it is all your guys fault. bastards. you have made me into some sort of groupy. i feel so used.

pr0digal jenius · Jan 17, 2005, 05:03 AM

well, if they look promising, we may update the set

as for now though, we're gunna get crackin on a performance set for the FPS junkies and older card holders.

Oh, and as per your becoming a groupy, we'll mail you a T-Shirt

mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

well, if they look promising, we may update the set

as for now though, we're gunna get crackin on a performance set for the FPS junkies and older card holders.

Oh, and as per your becoming a groupy, we'll mail you a T-Shirt

6'1" 242. XXL should do it.

perf would be awsome! my wifes g4 4600 could use it.

PoopyTheJ · Jan 17, 2005, 05:12 AM

I'm sorry we only carry small maybe your wife could wear it, married to a ZP junkie it'll say...

And btw I have to say thanks to KS for putting a link up to our drivers on his website, thank you very much KS!

CDsDontBurn · Jan 17, 2005, 05:25 AM

i found the 71.50s on guru3d earlier today. Think imna try them out and see how they perform. Let you guys know how they are and if they still have that yellow water in HL2. If you read the thing they posted though, they said that they recommend that you run the 71.40s instead

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mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 05:38 AM

they have the urine still. at least according to what i have read. the next release is supposed to fix it.

Daishi · Jan 17, 2005, 05:45 AM

mmmmmm uurrine

mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daishi

mmmmmm uurrine

only over french vanilla ice cream

pr0digal jenius · Jan 17, 2005, 08:52 AM

no pissing on my thread

mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

no pissing on my thread

oh s..t!! it is the thread cops! everybody zip up your pants! quick. there is no telling what he will do!

mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 10:09 AM

what did you change in this vers? i lost about 6 fps in d3 demo1.
the shimmering seems to be worse in 3d05 too. maybe something wrong with my install?
wished i could spend some time gaming so i'd know what is/isn't really going on.

would be more helpful for all of us.

PoopyTheJ · Jan 17, 2005, 01:56 PM

you shouldn't lose that much in D3, shimmering in 3do5 is 3d05 I think, except for the 71 series and they're crap for hl2, it has to do with the way the shaders are written if I understand it correctly, one of those 16/24/32 bit arguments....

aaronbond · Jan 17, 2005, 04:13 PM

i was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the greenish tint to shading in HL2/Source? Alot of my shadows are green on the edges. I've seen this ever since 61.77's and have been looking for some kind of fix, but to no avail. Thought the zer0point's my fix it, but I understand if miracles can't be performed.

CS:S Stress Test

67.03
120.7 @ 355/1.04 @ 1024x768 4xAA/8xAF in-game all high

zer0point final
120.7 @ stock @ same as above
127.6 @ stock @ same as above w/ HL2 CFG

WoW

noticeable improvement in consistent FPS. Use to drop hard in huge rooms because of max draw distance.

pr0digal jenius · Jan 17, 2005, 04:49 PM

glad you like the drivers, and as per the shadows being olive colored and the water looking like gatorade, the newer nvidia sets (those that are post january 10th, meaning we should see them in the next few days I would think) supposedly fixed these bugs, and we will probably update these drivers to one of those sets, if they work nicely.

mike2h · Jan 17, 2005, 06:41 PM

"you shouldn't lose that much in D3, shimmering in 3do5 is 3d05 I think, except for the 71 series and they're crap for hl2, it has to do with the way the shaders are written if I understand it correctly, one of those 16/24/32 bit arguments...."

__________________

problem fixed! reinstalled drivers got the fps back. will you do something for me & take a close look at those tests in 3d05? at least that way i 'll know it is me or not. the only reason i say this is because it appears to have gotten slightly worse over your driver releases. as soon as i get back from the river trail i'll run it again to see if the reinstall had any effect on that too.

darkcube · Jan 17, 2005, 07:11 PM

Well, last night I formated my PC because well Windows can always use a nice wipe, but I decided to install your drivers on my new system, and I must say I've just run 3dmark05 so far and I scored MUCH higher than I ever have before with my 6800GT, The highest score i've ever seen on my card previously was ~4050 (that was OCing 375/1100), After the wipe and using these drivers at STOCK SPEED i was able to obtain 4578 on my first run. And the IQ was better than i've ever seen, I must say i'm very impressed.

http://www.patbert.com/darkcube/3dmark05.jpg

hit 5041 w/ my previous OC settings

Millions Knives · Jan 17, 2005, 08:02 PM

I know I've posted about this problem before so I know it isn't your driver set. In the CS:S stress test I get 101.06 fps, where aaronbond gets about 27 frames higher than me, and he has a similar card (I have the BFG 6800GT OC and he has the BFG 6800GT). I have basically the same set up as he does, but I don't understand why I'd get that much of a significant difference in fps.

When in game in CS:S i find that the fps drops to around 30-40 easily in maps like dust2 or aztec when im in action. I'm not sure if that is right or not... I keep thinking Im doing something wrong and that I should be atleast averaging 50 in action. Maybe I'm under the wrong impression about this video card, or maybe something else in my system is bottlenecking it.

Your driver set did make a difference that was noticable though, so I'd like to thank you for that. Im just wondering if there is something I'm missing to get beter performance out of my card. If anyone has any information, I'd be really greatful for the help.

PoopyTheJ · Jan 17, 2005, 08:18 PM

Millions Knives, we're working on a performance based set shortly which will obviously probably drop IQ but increase performance, I do remember you posting about this before... what are your memory timings? Also how new an install of windows are you running? Over time windows performance degrades.... whats running in the background? All of those things can have impact on performance plus your mobo is slighty different aaronbond has an nforce3 if I read that right and you've got a VIA based board right? Source is highly dependent on CPU, especially indoor if I remember correctly, so if you can get your mem timings lower or o/c your cpu a bit your scores should improve....

Millions Knives · Jan 17, 2005, 08:30 PM

Memory Timings:
3.0-4-4-8
3.0-4-4-8
3.0-3-3-8

This installation of Windows is from probably around September or something around that.

Yes the K8V SE Delux is a VIA based mobo. I have the newest Hyperion Drivers for it and the newest BIOS update.

As far as background programs:

Kaspersky Anti-Virus Personal
CachemanXP
APC PowerChute Personal
Microsoft AntiSpyware w/ realtime protection
Creative Volume Controller
Trillian Pro
Microsoft ActiveSync
Hotmail Popper for Thunderbird Mail client
DAEMON TOOLS with all emulation options on
ASUS Cool&Quiet for AMD64 processors

There are a good amount of processes running, but I've disabled a lot that are un-needed.

Daishi · Jan 17, 2005, 08:41 PM

thos memory timings are horrible. what type of memory do you ahve. also are you sure hes running on the same settings? quite possible hes on mat_dxlevel 81 and your on 90.

edit: just read your sig hah the kingston ok. well are you oced at all whats your fsb set to? if your not oced set ur ram timings to 2-3-3-6 1t if possible if not 2t. you need the best memory timings you can get right now because socket 754 doesnt have dual channel support.

Millions Knives · Jan 17, 2005, 08:46 PM

True, Im on DXlevel 9.0 but I don't know what he is running.

The memory Im using is Kingston HyperX PC4000, which I thought was pretty decent ram... although my motherboard only supports up to PC3200.

Daishi · Jan 17, 2005, 08:47 PM

it is good ram. read my edit on my last post heh if u didnt already it changed. all boards only support up to pc3200 you have to overclock to get higher.

PoopyTheJ · Jan 17, 2005, 09:13 PM

yeah those memory timings are pretty bad, try and get those timings to Daishi's suggestion and I think you'll see your performance where you want it.

aaronbond · Jan 17, 2005, 09:19 PM

yeah I'm running it @ DX 9.0. Memory timings do make a big diff Million. Although you have a whole friggin lot of mem it's not processing it as fast as a CAS 2 would. btw since you have SOOO much RAM did you ever think of throwing your page file into physical memory?

wanted to try it but only have 512 to work with.

http://www.arsoft-online.de/products/product.php?id=1

or

http://www.ramdisk.tk/ limited to 64MB though

Millions Knives · Jan 17, 2005, 10:38 PM

I downloaded a program called EVEREST Home Edition that tells you a lot of system information.

It says that the CPU FSB is 200.23 MHz (original:200 MHz)

It also says the Memory Bus is 129.57 MHz

It states as well this information for SPD Memory Modules:

DIMM1: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)

DIMM2: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz)

DIMM3: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz)

The 3.0-4-4-8 is where I got my previous latencies. But under Chipset Properties it states...

Memory Timings 2.5-4-4-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

I also checked my BIOS to see what the timings were and it states the same, so I think I got my latencies wrong before.

The command rate for the memory is also at 1T

Im not sure if this changes everything, or if what I'm looking at is even right.

Daishi · Jan 17, 2005, 11:13 PM

dont listen to any of thos programs only go by the bios. whats your fsb set at in bios?

Millions Knives · Jan 17, 2005, 11:41 PM

In the BIOS the only thing I could find was the HyperTransport Frequency, which is set to 800MHz.

Jan 17, 2005, 04:50 AM	#1
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	Driverheaven zer0point 0.6697.Q Final DH ZP Drivers have finally reached the final stage. Behold, the modified Forceware 66.97 Drivers Here is the "Interesting Features" list: -DXT5 Texture Compression enabled and set to default. -OGL Texture Compression enabled by default -Forced 32bpp -Forced Triple Buffering -3Dc enabled -Chipset specific compatibility enabled for a vast array of chips -Instruction sets enabled: MMX, SSE2, 3DNow!, SSE -OGL Texture Clamping enabled -Texture Sharpening enabled -Forced Trilinear MipMapping -256 Burst enabled -Heapsize modified to minimize hitching -Other such nicknacks and quality enhancements New super compressed install package 1 - Unpack the SFX file 2 - Run unpack.bat 3 - Run setup.exe Game specific tweaks -HL2/CS:S autoexecs for both 6x00 and 5x00 cards -Doom3 autoexecs for both 6x00 and 5x00 cards Special thanks goes out to knyz, Judas, and everyone who has beta tested for us..you guys rock. DOWNLOAD NOW ATi Drawbuffers enabled, so get out there and get in the game it was meant to be played -John "pr0digal jenius" Kalland -Andrew "PoopyTheJ" Rady NOTE - English only, all foreign language files have been removed. UPDATE - the new dedicated server is up and thus the download link has been changed as such...enjoy the massive pipe Last edited by PoopyTheJ; Jan 19, 2005 at 09:46 PM.

Jan 17, 2005, 04:57 AM	#2
Daishi Xtreme G Author Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	what has changed between this version and your previous version? __________________ -Daishi (Xtreme G Author) -=System Specs=- eVGA Nforce 4 SLI Mobo 2GB geil Ultra pc4200 eVGA GeForce 7800 GT 2x WD Raptors in raid 0 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 zs Logitech z-5500 speakers

Jan 17, 2005, 05:00 AM	#4
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	thx for all the hard, great work guys! looking forward to more. the next driver release is supposed to be coming fairly soon & is supposed to have a fix for the 'pee h2o'. given some of the good things i have heard about 7150 these might be a good candidate for your expertise. see, it is all your guys fault. bastards. you have made me into some sort of groupy. i feel so used. __________________

Jan 17, 2005, 05:12 AM	#7
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 64	I'm sorry we only carry small maybe your wife could wear it, married to a ZP junkie it'll say... And btw I have to say thanks to KS for putting a link up to our drivers on his website, thank you very much KS! __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Jan 17, 2005, 05:25 AM	#8
CDsDontBurn 127.0.0.1 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,458 Rep Power: 202 System Specs	i found the 71.50s on guru3d earlier today. Think imna try them out and see how they perform. Let you guys know how they are and if they still have that yellow water in HL2. If you read the thing they posted though, they said that they recommend that you run the 71.40s instead . __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Jan 17, 2005, 04:58 AM	Thread Starter #3
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	a few tweaks here and there, and one or two values got changed as we played with it a bit. Aside from that, we ripped out the non-english files and packed it down way small.

Jan 17, 2005, 05:03 AM	Thread Starter #5
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	well, if they look promising, we may update the set as for now though, we're gunna get crackin on a performance set for the FPS junkies and older card holders. Oh, and as per your becoming a groupy, we'll mail you a T-Shirt

Jan 17, 2005, 05:38 AM	#9
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	they have the urine still. at least according to what i have read. the next release is supposed to fix it. __________________

Jan 17, 2005, 05:45 AM	#10
Daishi Xtreme G Author Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	mmmmmm uurrine __________________ -Daishi (Xtreme G Author) -=System Specs=- eVGA Nforce 4 SLI Mobo 2GB geil Ultra pc4200 eVGA GeForce 7800 GT 2x WD Raptors in raid 0 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 zs Logitech z-5500 speakers

Jan 17, 2005, 08:52 AM	Thread Starter #12
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	no pissing on my thread

Jan 17, 2005, 10:09 AM	#14
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	what did you change in this vers? i lost about 6 fps in d3 demo1. the shimmering seems to be worse in 3d05 too. maybe something wrong with my install? wished i could spend some time gaming so i'd know what is/isn't really going on. would be more helpful for all of us. __________________

Jan 17, 2005, 01:56 PM	#15
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 64	you shouldn't lose that much in D3, shimmering in 3do5 is 3d05 I think, except for the 71 series and they're crap for hl2, it has to do with the way the shaders are written if I understand it correctly, one of those 16/24/32 bit arguments.... __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Jan 17, 2005, 04:13 PM	#16
aaronbond DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: FL USA Posts: 86 Rep Power: 0	blah i was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the greenish tint to shading in HL2/Source? Alot of my shadows are green on the edges. I've seen this ever since 61.77's and have been looking for some kind of fix, but to no avail. Thought the zer0point's my fix it, but I understand if miracles can't be performed. CS:S Stress Test 67.03 120.7 @ 355/1.04 @ 1024x768 4xAA/8xAF in-game all high zer0point final 120.7 @ stock @ same as above 127.6 @ stock @ same as above w/ HL2 CFG WoW noticeable improvement in consistent FPS. Use to drop hard in huge rooms because of max draw distance. __________________ Windows® XP Pro w/ SP2 // Athlon 64® Venice 3500+ E3 2.2Ghz w/ MSI Neo2 Pro Plat // BFG 6800GT OC @ stock // ASUS K8N // 2GB Corsair Perf. 2.5-2-3-6 // 74GB WD Raptor // Creative Audigy2 Value Good Times! Last edited by aaronbond; Jan 17, 2005 at 04:47 PM.

Jan 17, 2005, 04:49 PM	Thread Starter #17
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	glad you like the drivers, and as per the shadows being olive colored and the water looking like gatorade, the newer nvidia sets (those that are post january 10th, meaning we should see them in the next few days I would think) supposedly fixed these bugs, and we will probably update these drivers to one of those sets, if they work nicely.

Jan 17, 2005, 06:41 PM	#18
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	"you shouldn't lose that much in D3, shimmering in 3do5 is 3d05 I think, except for the 71 series and they're crap for hl2, it has to do with the way the shaders are written if I understand it correctly, one of those 16/24/32 bit arguments...." __________________ problem fixed! reinstalled drivers got the fps back. will you do something for me & take a close look at those tests in 3d05? at least that way i 'll know it is me or not. the only reason i say this is because it appears to have gotten slightly worse over your driver releases. as soon as i get back from the river trail i'll run it again to see if the reinstall had any effect on that too. __________________ Last edited by mike2h; Jan 17, 2005 at 06:46 PM.

Jan 17, 2005, 07:11 PM	#19
darkcube Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Well, last night I formated my PC because well Windows can always use a nice wipe, but I decided to install your drivers on my new system, and I must say I've just run 3dmark05 so far and I scored MUCH higher than I ever have before with my 6800GT, The highest score i've ever seen on my card previously was ~4050 (that was OCing 375/1100), After the wipe and using these drivers at STOCK SPEED i was able to obtain 4578 on my first run. And the IQ was better than i've ever seen, I must say i'm very impressed. http://www.patbert.com/darkcube/3dmark05.jpg hit 5041 w/ my previous OC settings Last edited by darkcube; Jan 17, 2005 at 09:18 PM.

Jan 17, 2005, 08:02 PM	#20
Millions Knives To The Face Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 0	I know I've posted about this problem before so I know it isn't your driver set. In the CS:S stress test I get 101.06 fps, where aaronbond gets about 27 frames higher than me, and he has a similar card (I have the BFG 6800GT OC and he has the BFG 6800GT). I have basically the same set up as he does, but I don't understand why I'd get that much of a significant difference in fps. When in game in CS:S i find that the fps drops to around 30-40 easily in maps like dust2 or aztec when im in action. I'm not sure if that is right or not... I keep thinking Im doing something wrong and that I should be atleast averaging 50 in action. Maybe I'm under the wrong impression about this video card, or maybe something else in my system is bottlenecking it. Your driver set did make a difference that was noticable though, so I'd like to thank you for that. Im just wondering if there is something I'm missing to get beter performance out of my card. If anyone has any information, I'd be really greatful for the help. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ \| ASUS K8V SE Deluxe \| 3x512 Kingston HyperX PC4000 2-3-5-2 \| Western Digital 160 GB 7200rpm \| Maxtor 160 GB 7200rpm \| BFG GeForce 6800GT OC @ Stock \| Pioneer DVD-ROM 120s 16x40x \| HP 420i 8x4x12x DVD+-R\DVD+-RW \| Samsung 955DF 1280x1024 @75HZ \| Creative Audigy2 ZS \| Antec TRUE430 430w.

Jan 17, 2005, 08:18 PM	#21
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 64	Millions Knives, we're working on a performance based set shortly which will obviously probably drop IQ but increase performance, I do remember you posting about this before... what are your memory timings? Also how new an install of windows are you running? Over time windows performance degrades.... whats running in the background? All of those things can have impact on performance plus your mobo is slighty different aaronbond has an nforce3 if I read that right and you've got a VIA based board right? Source is highly dependent on CPU, especially indoor if I remember correctly, so if you can get your mem timings lower or o/c your cpu a bit your scores should improve.... __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Jan 17, 2005, 08:30 PM	#22
Millions Knives To The Face Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 0	Memory Timings: 3.0-4-4-8 3.0-4-4-8 3.0-3-3-8 This installation of Windows is from probably around September or something around that. Yes the K8V SE Delux is a VIA based mobo. I have the newest Hyperion Drivers for it and the newest BIOS update. As far as background programs: Kaspersky Anti-Virus Personal CachemanXP APC PowerChute Personal Microsoft AntiSpyware w/ realtime protection Creative Volume Controller Trillian Pro Microsoft ActiveSync Hotmail Popper for Thunderbird Mail client DAEMON TOOLS with all emulation options on ASUS Cool&Quiet for AMD64 processors There are a good amount of processes running, but I've disabled a lot that are un-needed. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ \| ASUS K8V SE Deluxe \| 3x512 Kingston HyperX PC4000 2-3-5-2 \| Western Digital 160 GB 7200rpm \| Maxtor 160 GB 7200rpm \| BFG GeForce 6800GT OC @ Stock \| Pioneer DVD-ROM 120s 16x40x \| HP 420i 8x4x12x DVD+-R\DVD+-RW \| Samsung 955DF 1280x1024 @75HZ \| Creative Audigy2 ZS \| Antec TRUE430 430w.

Jan 17, 2005, 08:41 PM	#23
Daishi Xtreme G Author Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	thos memory timings are horrible. what type of memory do you ahve. also are you sure hes running on the same settings? quite possible hes on mat_dxlevel 81 and your on 90. edit: just read your sig hah the kingston ok. well are you oced at all whats your fsb set to? if your not oced set ur ram timings to 2-3-3-6 1t if possible if not 2t. you need the best memory timings you can get right now because socket 754 doesnt have dual channel support. __________________ -Daishi (Xtreme G Author) -=System Specs=- eVGA Nforce 4 SLI Mobo 2GB geil Ultra pc4200 eVGA GeForce 7800 GT 2x WD Raptors in raid 0 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 zs Logitech z-5500 speakers

Jan 17, 2005, 08:46 PM	#24
Millions Knives To The Face Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 0	True, Im on DXlevel 9.0 but I don't know what he is running. The memory Im using is Kingston HyperX PC4000, which I thought was pretty decent ram... although my motherboard only supports up to PC3200. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ \| ASUS K8V SE Deluxe \| 3x512 Kingston HyperX PC4000 2-3-5-2 \| Western Digital 160 GB 7200rpm \| Maxtor 160 GB 7200rpm \| BFG GeForce 6800GT OC @ Stock \| Pioneer DVD-ROM 120s 16x40x \| HP 420i 8x4x12x DVD+-R\DVD+-RW \| Samsung 955DF 1280x1024 @75HZ \| Creative Audigy2 ZS \| Antec TRUE430 430w.

Jan 17, 2005, 08:47 PM	#25
Daishi Xtreme G Author Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	it is good ram. read my edit on my last post heh if u didnt already it changed. all boards only support up to pc3200 you have to overclock to get higher. __________________ -Daishi (Xtreme G Author) -=System Specs=- eVGA Nforce 4 SLI Mobo 2GB geil Ultra pc4200 eVGA GeForce 7800 GT 2x WD Raptors in raid 0 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 zs Logitech z-5500 speakers

Jan 17, 2005, 09:13 PM	#26
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 64	yeah those memory timings are pretty bad, try and get those timings to Daishi's suggestion and I think you'll see your performance where you want it. __________________ [COLOR=Blue]“Alright boys, let’s start her up and see why she doesn’t work.” - John Fritz "I aim to misbehave" Malcolm Reynolds ATI Catalyst Beta Tester[/COLOR]

Jan 17, 2005, 09:19 PM	#27
aaronbond DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: FL USA Posts: 86 Rep Power: 0	w00t yeah I'm running it @ DX 9.0. Memory timings do make a big diff Million. Although you have a whole friggin lot of mem it's not processing it as fast as a CAS 2 would. btw since you have SOOO much RAM did you ever think of throwing your page file into physical memory? wanted to try it but only have 512 to work with. http://www.arsoft-online.de/products/product.php?id=1 or http://www.ramdisk.tk/ limited to 64MB though __________________ Windows® XP Pro w/ SP2 // Athlon 64® Venice 3500+ E3 2.2Ghz w/ MSI Neo2 Pro Plat // BFG 6800GT OC @ stock // ASUS K8N // 2GB Corsair Perf. 2.5-2-3-6 // 74GB WD Raptor // Creative Audigy2 Value Good Times!

Jan 17, 2005, 10:38 PM	#28
Millions Knives To The Face Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 0	I downloaded a program called EVEREST Home Edition that tells you a lot of system information. It says that the CPU FSB is 200.23 MHz (original:200 MHz) It also says the Memory Bus is 129.57 MHz It states as well this information for SPD Memory Modules: DIMM1: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz) DIMM2: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz) DIMM3: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz) The 3.0-4-4-8 is where I got my previous latencies. But under Chipset Properties it states... Memory Timings 2.5-4-4-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) I also checked my BIOS to see what the timings were and it states the same, so I think I got my latencies wrong before. The command rate for the memory is also at 1T Im not sure if this changes everything, or if what I'm looking at is even right. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ \| ASUS K8V SE Deluxe \| 3x512 Kingston HyperX PC4000 2-3-5-2 \| Western Digital 160 GB 7200rpm \| Maxtor 160 GB 7200rpm \| BFG GeForce 6800GT OC @ Stock \| Pioneer DVD-ROM 120s 16x40x \| HP 420i 8x4x12x DVD+-R\DVD+-RW \| Samsung 955DF 1280x1024 @75HZ \| Creative Audigy2 ZS \| Antec TRUE430 430w. Last edited by Millions Knives; Jan 17, 2005 at 10:47 PM.

Jan 17, 2005, 11:13 PM	#29
Daishi Xtreme G Author Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	dont listen to any of thos programs only go by the bios. whats your fsb set at in bios? __________________ -Daishi (Xtreme G Author) -=System Specs=- eVGA Nforce 4 SLI Mobo 2GB geil Ultra pc4200 eVGA GeForce 7800 GT 2x WD Raptors in raid 0 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 zs Logitech z-5500 speakers

Jan 17, 2005, 11:41 PM	#30
Millions Knives To The Face Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 0	In the BIOS the only thing I could find was the HyperTransport Frequency, which is set to 800MHz. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ \| ASUS K8V SE Deluxe \| 3x512 Kingston HyperX PC4000 2-3-5-2 \| Western Digital 160 GB 7200rpm \| Maxtor 160 GB 7200rpm \| BFG GeForce 6800GT OC @ Stock \| Pioneer DVD-ROM 120s 16x40x \| HP 420i 8x4x12x DVD+-R\DVD+-RW \| Samsung 955DF 1280x1024 @75HZ \| Creative Audigy2 ZS \| Antec TRUE430 430w.