Cat 6.3 out

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 11, 2006, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemonzest

@The_Neon_Cowboy
if Adaptive AA is in D3D, then why not possible in OpenGL?

OpenGL and Direct3D are two different languages. They are two different
ways of doing the same thing. OpenGL is used more for application, games,
3D Stuff. Where as DirectX is primarily for 3D stuff a games. OpenGL was
made by SGI , DirectX is made by Microsoft the people that also likely
bring you your OS. Most games these days are in DirectX. A lot of older
games Supported both with some title being OpenGL or DirectX only…

Just because you can do something in OpenGL or DirectX doesn't mean
you can do it in the other. Not only are they different languages what they
they support, and what they don't support are quite different.

So if you can do something with DirectX or OpenGL You can’t just assume
it possible to do it with the other. So just becouse they bring you Adaptive
AA w/D3D. Doesn't mean anything. To state the bviouis If they could of
done it with openGL what you don't think they would of?

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamLakota

I use only .net 2.0 and havent had any issues without .net 1.1 wonder why some people do??

There are 100’s millions of different PC’s all running in millions
of different configurations. Even the ones that come off assembly
line very to a minute degree. Both PC hardware wise. PC software
wise there are so many different configurations and variables. It's
impossable to factore in or test every situation. that why beta testing,
as well as end user feed back is very important....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Lord

what in the hell just happend? everything was working fine last night, but this morning my system is completly hosed. i cant run any games, and according to DXdiag, i no longer have support for direct3d.

ill go reinstall the 6.1's

Might I suggest a install of the latest build of DirectX W/ updated runtimes
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Might be formart / reinstall time good thing to do from time to time to clean
out the cobwebs from you OS. They don't say windos leaves more junk behind
then nasa for fun. Not to mention you get a nice little overall system boost
after the cleaning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickPaw

I hate having to bring bad news but:

The setup:
ATI 1900XTX Official/ Optimal Performance/ Fresh Install

3DMark05:
Cat CCC 6.2 (Official): 10,232
Cat CCC 6.3 (Official): 9,890

A good sized drop...but, maybe with the release of Omega's or DH's baby these numbers will pick up.

Also, I have to say that the image quality looked better on the BFG 7800GT I upgraded from. I'm just asking to keep working on the drivers for these next generation cards. I can't wait to see the results!

Well I'' have a look at the scores considering I benched with 5.13
and 6.3 rather intensely with a few magor bechmarks would be
nothing to do and come out with the side by side chart…

since I can't do a full compairtive bench tests yet with out a dedicated test
system. I'll settle for what I can do at this time...

Flexkill · Mar 11, 2006, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

CCC takes roughly 15 seconds to load... apon loading... all tabs are instant... all options are instant... closing is instant.... i see absalutely no difference in preformance or benchmark results with or without the CCC (aside from the CCC having more options)....

is 15 seconds to long to wait?

and 6.2's and 6.3's work flawlessly with only .net 2.0 installed... i've since stopped installing .net 1.1

Well you still didn't explain any benefits of why I would want CCC over ATT

....And no 15 seconds isn't a long time to wait....but ATT is instant ...so why wait???

Judas · Mar 11, 2006, 07:30 PM

cause CCC is official.. does everything i need it to plus more.... i know it WORKS...

and support is there for it...

If you've got ATT loaded and have a problem, chances are 50% of the problem will be solved....

IMO... it's 3rd party....

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 11, 2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexkill

Well you still didn't explain any benefits of why I would want CCC over ATT

....And no 15 seconds isn't a long time to wait....but ATT is instant ...so why wait???

there no waiting with CCC use the task bar 95% of everything can be set in seconds
stright from the tray aplication with out EVER needing to open CCC for example. Again
it take pages of reading to do a proper cmair and belive me it over wealming amont of information... So I dobt you going to see in detail what diffrent. Honestly ther then slap people going ATT rockzors and CCC suckzors was my pure reason for takeing a look in
the 1st place.Thier are things ATT desn't and CAN NOT do weather you use them or not...
Not to mention there are other 3rd party tools that add the abilty to over clock etc to CCC.

How abou you guy bring it? What does ATT have that CCC doesn't?

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickPaw

I hate having to bring bad news but:

The setup:
ATI 1900XTX Official/ Optimal Performance/ Fresh Install

3DMark05:
Cat CCC 6.2 (Official): 10,232
Cat CCC 6.3 (Official): 9,890

A good sized drop...but, maybe with the release of Omega's or DH's baby these numbers will pick up.

Also, I have to say that the image quality looked better on the BFG 7800GT I upgraded from. I'm just asking to keep working on the drivers for these next generation cards. I can't wait to see the results!

Here you go the system is not "clean", a labrtory test enviroment wasn't used.
So my results are not as accurate as they useally are....But All test where run
with AV disabled, all other apps that run at my boot time disabled. All test where
run 3 times and the adverage used for the charts...test system: X1900XT, AMD
4200+ X2, 2GB of Ram

Massive Boost- REAL GAME TEST-

Drop don't let the chart scale fool ya look at the #s it's 6.2 is down 100
from 5.13, 6.3 is down 64 points...Also of note its a bechmark that was
discontenued and has never been updated but is still commonly used...

Small Boost

Tiny Boost to No change

Flexkill · Mar 11, 2006, 10:11 PM

well, one thing ATT has is total fan controll. I know we already discussed this , but to me it's important. I know you said anything under 90C is ok....but why would i want my card to run that hot , when by just turning the fan up it will never reach 60C??? Also ATT has reg tweaks available right from it's interface, which you only have to check boxes to apply...which is another nice feature IMHO.

Sandok · Mar 11, 2006, 10:24 PM

But it looses WAY too many features. You want fan control, get Ati Tool imho with CCC... Works much better as a combo but to each his own

Btw Neon, nice graphs

Just Learnin' · Mar 11, 2006, 10:44 PM

Does CCC give any overclocking options for regular graphics cards still?? I use ATiTool for that, the option was taken away for overclocking in CCC by ATi for my AIW so.... Third party rocks IMO for this card at least. I also use the fan control, 100% when benching. Other owners of the 1900's have been talking about a lag with fan speed to temperatures with ATi's software and are turning to ATiTool's ability to run their fans as well. What is considered "acceptable" temps wise is not necessarily "best" now is it? Heat hurts electronics hence the need for any cooler to begin with. Warranties are shorter and life expectancy of electronics is reduced by heat so......?

crlorentzen · Mar 12, 2006, 01:43 AM

My issue is that the seperate packages don't work when the combined CCC and DD worked fine.

I downloaded the DD and CCC seperate then tried to install.

1. Uninstalled 6.2, Restart
2. Safe Mode DriverCleaner, Restart
4. Install DD, Restart
5. Install CCC, Restart

Attempted to use the CCC Application it would not load. tried again all steps as above redownloaded everything and also used the cat-uninstaller after uninstalling 6.3. Same effect, CCC would not work.

Then I Downloaded the CCC DD package file installed it following the same steps, and it worked fine.

I guess I kindof wanted to let ATi know and maybe see if anyone else tried the seperate packages with the same issue.

Flexkill · Mar 12, 2006, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

But it looses WAY too many features. You want fan control, get Ati Tool imho with CCC... Works much better as a combo but to each his own

Btw Neon, nice graphs

OK Sandok, Back to my original question then

....what am i not getting with ATT that I can get with CCC?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 12, 2006, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

But it looses WAY too many features. You want fan control, get Ati Tool imho with CCC... Works much better as a combo but to each his own

Btw Neon, nice graphs

Thx I usall make3d or more colorfull ones but those do

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Learnin'

Does CCC give any overclocking options for regular graphics cards still?? I use ATiTool for that, the option was taken away for overclocking in CCC by ATi for my AIW so.... Third party rocks IMO for this card at least.

http://www.rage3d.com/r3dtweak/

3rd part tool, overclocker, plugs into CCC but there is no fan control with it.
Some 3rd party tool should still work with CCC but there are cases where they
have or can conflict...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Learnin'

I also use the fan control, 100% when benching. Other owners of the 1900's have been talking about a lag with fan speed to temperatures with ATi's software and are turning to ATiTool's ability to run their fans as well. What is considered "acceptable" temps wise is not necessarily "best" now is it? Heat hurts electronics hence the need for any cooler to begin with. Warranties are shorter and life expectancy of electronics is reduced by heat so......?

You realise the adverage GPU will probubly last a good 10 years. You notice
alot of you guys are overclocking, wich sucks the life away faster then normal
opearting temps. My origianl radeon 64MB vivo from 2000 still works fine....

GPU's and CPU's in genral last verry long time....useall about 10 years.. sadly
motherboards, and the board the GPU is monted to be it pci, AGP, PCI, is the
most likelty fail point by far. Note: those parts that aren't cooled that are "cheap"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexkill

well, one thing ATT has is total fan controll. I know we already discussed this , but to me it's important. I know you said anything under 90C is ok....but why would i want my card to run that hot , when by just turning the fan up it will never reach 60C??? Also ATT has reg tweaks available right from it's interface, which you only have to check boxes to apply...which is another nice feature IMHO.

Becouse my card never gets that hot useally 60-70C max. My point was that up to 90C
was considerd safe opearting temprature. Over that could become problematic to failure
The GPU fan would automatically kick up to full before it got that hot...

Quote:

Originally Posted by crlorentzen

My issue is that the seperate packages don't work when the combined CCC and DD worked fine.

I downloaded the DD and CCC seperate then tried to install.

1. Uninstalled 6.2, Restart
2. Safe Mode DriverCleaner, Restart
4. Install DD, Restart
5. Install CCC, Restart

Attempted to use the CCC Application it would not load. tried again all steps as above redownloaded everything and also used the cat-uninstaller after uninstalling 6.3. Same effect, CCC would not work.

Then I Downloaded the CCC DD package file installed it following the same steps, and it worked fine.

I guess I kindof wanted to let ATi know and maybe see if anyone else tried the seperate packages with the same issue.

Check your firewall / anti virus settings CCC needs FULL acess to the internet, it just
for internal loop backs, but quite a few firewall misinterpet these as outbound connections
and block them.

Also make sure you uninstall CCC before you upgrade /change your drivers
for the best results

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexkill

OK Sandok, Back to my original question then

....what am i not getting with ATT that I can get with CCC?

I was going to do a compair one but it was to much time troble and effort.
I dn't have the time I need to do it all at once. I don't want to waste all my
valuable time doing it either just for a few nay sayers who useally just don't
like CCC anyways. It won't make a diffrence other then win an argument...

heres a big one where is is the ATI AVIVO transcoder? in ATT

check out the video settings etc... Another big one is over drive
wich is ATI sactioned overclocking under wich GPU overclock is
controlled for safety by tempratue .

Flexkill · Mar 12, 2006, 07:30 AM

Neon, you finally answered my question...thank you. Alas this does not affect me though as i have no AVIVO anyway!

crlorentzen · Mar 12, 2006, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Check your firewall / anti virus settings CCC needs FULL acess to the internet, it just
for internal loop backs, but quite a few firewall misinterpet these as outbound connections
and block them.

If you had read the first line in my post you would see that it is not a firewall issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crlorentzen

My issue is that the seperate packages don't work when the combined CCC and DD worked fine.

I specifically spoke of a problem, when using the seperate download packages, that did not occur with the single download package...I was not asking for help either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crlorentzen

I guess I kindof wanted to let ATi know and maybe see if anyone else tried the seperate packages with the same issue.

BTW: the first rule I add to any firewall is a local loopback rule, allow any any 127.0.0.1

Sandok · Mar 12, 2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexkill

OK Sandok, Back to my original question then

....what am i not getting with ATT that I can get with CCC?

There is more than just Avivo that is lost

Install CCC and check out all the extra options

dipstick · Mar 12, 2006, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crlorentzen

My issue is that the seperate packages don't work when the combined CCC and DD worked fine.

I downloaded the DD and CCC seperate then tried to install.

1. Uninstalled 6.2, Restart
2. Safe Mode DriverCleaner, Restart
4. Install DD, Restart
5. Install CCC, Restart

Attempted to use the CCC Application it would not load. tried again all steps as above redownloaded everything and also used the cat-uninstaller after uninstalling 6.3. Same effect, CCC would not work.

Then I Downloaded the CCC DD package file installed it following the same steps, and it worked fine.

I guess I kindof wanted to let ATi know and maybe see if anyone else tried the seperate packages with the same issue.

This happens to my bros PC

Flexkill · Mar 12, 2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

There is more than just Avivo that is lost

Install CCC and check out all the extra options

I did that ,as i stated earlier....I saw nothing ....so once again Sandok...i beg you to let me in on what i am missing?

Sandok · Mar 12, 2006, 11:02 PM

Okay mate this is what I find lacks...

Simple Overdrive.
Video configuration (not 3d)
Moniter Setting (advanced)
Ruby

Just Learnin' · Mar 12, 2006, 11:33 PM

With the X800 XT AIW ATI took away "Simple Overdrive", my only option for any overdrive is 3rd party software... I use CCC but the fan controls, GPU advanced memory settings and any overclock settings aren't there. To be honest though I can see these doing damage to one's card in the wrong hands! Understandable that ATI would leave them out.

The "Simple Overdrive" would be nice though...

JRosenfeld · Mar 12, 2006, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Might I suggest a install of the latest build of DirectX W/ updated runtimes
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

That points to December version. Actually the latest DirectX runtime is February

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Flexkill · Mar 14, 2006, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

Okay mate this is what I find lacks...

Simple Overdrive.
Video configuration (not 3d)
Moniter Setting (advanced)
Ruby

LOL, thats nothing i dont get with ATT.....but yes ruby is a hottie

MEABeemer · Mar 15, 2006, 09:17 AM

Any idea if Omega is workin' on this one?!

C U L8R!!!

EvaUnitXIV · Mar 16, 2006, 04:46 AM

now for omegas. unless there's a cp version somewhere

MEABeemer · Mar 16, 2006, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvaUnitXIV

now for omegas. unless there's a cp version somewhere

We don't really need ATi's "Control Panel" when we have Ray Adams' "ATI Tray Tools" do we?! (Hope you're reading this Omega!)

C U L8R!!!

EvaUnitXIV · Mar 16, 2006, 07:42 PM

ya need to install it with ccc

>GSXR<mrbusa · Mar 16, 2006, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvaUnitXIV

ya need to install it with ccc

if you want to use just the driver then just download the driver withouit ccc and use the cp from an older set of drivers.you can find it all over the place.stationdrivers has it for download already in a package.you can also just install the driver and then use ati tray tools or ati tool or radlinker,etc.

MEABeemer · Mar 16, 2006, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by >GSXR<mrbusa

if you want to use just the driver then just download the driver withouit ccc and use the cp from an older set of drivers.you can find it all over the place.stationdrivers has it for download already in a package.you can also just install the driver and then use ati tray tools or ati tool or radlinker,etc.

Exactly!
All we need now is an Omega tweaked driver without any CP or CCC, all good for nothin'!
There's nothin' I can't do with ATT I can do with CP or CCC!

C U L8R!!!

ViRuS2k · Mar 18, 2006, 03:00 AM

I have a problem and its been there for a wile and no matter how meny times i report the dam problem it never gets fixed.

the CCC pannel keeps forgetting my TFT`s refreshrate i have it selected as 85, then when i start a game and play it then come out of the game and go back into the CCC the refreshrate has droped to 70hz instead of 85hz...

it does it all the time no matter what i try the settings wont stick.
same goes for if i reboot my system the once settings that where there before get reset to 70hz instead of 85hz....

totaly annoying and never gets fixed.

Judas · Mar 18, 2006, 05:14 AM

virus2k..... quite likely the DCC information is forcefully reseting it.... disable DCC and then try

ViRuS2k · Mar 18, 2006, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

virus2k..... quite likely the DCC information is forcefully reseting it.... disable DCC and then try

How do i find DCC information thingy in CCC ?

Dyre Straits · Mar 18, 2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViRuS2k

How do i find DCC information thingy in CCC ?

If I'm not mistaken, I think CCC uses the EDID instead of DCC. It would be found under the Monitor Properties.

Judas · Mar 18, 2006, 09:25 PM

i can't seem to find it..... although i did find out that my x1900xtx can display dual monitor 3D apps at full speed..

2560x1024 ftw

Mar 11, 2006, 10:11 PM	#95
Flexkill DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashville, TN. Music City USA Posts: 285 Rep Power: 0	well, one thing ATT has is total fan controll. I know we already discussed this , but to me it's important. I know you said anything under 90C is ok....but why would i want my card to run that hot , when by just turning the fan up it will never reach 60C??? Also ATT has reg tweaks available right from it's interface, which you only have to check boxes to apply...which is another nice feature IMHO. __________________

Mar 12, 2006, 01:43 AM	#98
crlorentzen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	My issue is that the seperate packages don't work when the combined CCC and DD worked fine. I downloaded the DD and CCC seperate then tried to install. 1. Uninstalled 6.2, Restart 2. Safe Mode DriverCleaner, Restart 4. Install DD, Restart 5. Install CCC, Restart Attempted to use the CCC Application it would not load. tried again all steps as above redownloaded everything and also used the cat-uninstaller after uninstalling 6.3. Same effect, CCC would not work. Then I Downloaded the CCC DD package file installed it following the same steps, and it worked fine. I guess I kindof wanted to let ATi know and maybe see if anyone else tried the seperate packages with the same issue. __________________

Mar 12, 2006, 07:30 AM	#101
Flexkill DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashville, TN. Music City USA Posts: 285 Rep Power: 0	Neon, you finally answered my question...thank you. Alas this does not affect me though as i have no AVIVO anyway! __________________

Mar 15, 2006, 09:17 AM	#110
MEABeemer C-Groove StreetFighter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 405 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Any idea if Omega is workin' on this one?! C U L8R!!! __________________ XBox360 Slim 250GB

Mar 16, 2006, 04:46 AM	#111
EvaUnitXIV DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	now for omegas. unless there's a cp version somewhere __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Abit KV8 Buffalo 2x512mb PC3200 ram 40GB Maxtor 7200rpm HD (Boot) 2x250GB WD SE 8mb Cache 7200rpm HD (Filedump) Benq 1620 Pro Liteon 1635s x800GTO @ x800XL SB Audigy Gamer WinXp Pro /w Sp2

Mar 11, 2006, 10:24 PM	#96
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	But it looses WAY too many features. You want fan control, get Ati Tool imho with CCC... Works much better as a combo but to each his own Btw Neon, nice graphs

Mar 11, 2006, 10:44 PM	#97
Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 54 System Specs	Does CCC give any overclocking options for regular graphics cards still?? I use ATiTool for that, the option was taken away for overclocking in CCC by ATi for my AIW so.... Third party rocks IMO for this card at least. I also use the fan control, 100% when benching. Other owners of the 1900's have been talking about a lag with fan speed to temperatures with ATi's software and are turning to ATiTool's ability to run their fans as well. What is considered "acceptable" temps wise is not necessarily "best" now is it? Heat hurts electronics hence the need for any cooler to begin with. Warranties are shorter and life expectancy of electronics is reduced by heat so......?

Mar 12, 2006, 11:02 PM	#106
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 66	Okay mate this is what I find lacks... Simple Overdrive. Video configuration (not 3d) Moniter Setting (advanced) Ruby

Mar 12, 2006, 11:33 PM	#107
Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 54 System Specs	With the X800 XT AIW ATI took away "Simple Overdrive", my only option for any overdrive is 3rd party software... I use CCC but the fan controls, GPU advanced memory settings and any overclock settings aren't there. To be honest though I can see these doing damage to one's card in the wrong hands! Understandable that ATI would leave them out. The "Simple Overdrive" would be nice though...

Mar 16, 2006, 07:42 PM	#113
EvaUnitXIV DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229 Rep Power: 0	ya need to install it with ccc __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Abit KV8 Buffalo 2x512mb PC3200 ram 40GB Maxtor 7200rpm HD (Boot) 2x250GB WD SE 8mb Cache 7200rpm HD (Filedump) Benq 1620 Pro Liteon 1635s x800GTO @ x800XL SB Audigy Gamer WinXp Pro /w Sp2

Mar 18, 2006, 03:00 AM	#116
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	I have a problem and its been there for a wile and no matter how meny times i report the dam problem it never gets fixed. the CCC pannel keeps forgetting my TFT`s refreshrate i have it selected as 85, then when i start a game and play it then come out of the game and go back into the CCC the refreshrate has droped to 70hz instead of 85hz... it does it all the time no matter what i try the settings wont stick. same goes for if i reboot my system the once settings that where there before get reset to 70hz instead of 85hz.... totaly annoying and never gets fixed.