Clone Screen Problem

atzitzy · May 9, 2006, 09:59 PM

Hi

I have a X800GTO2 with the latest omega drivers

I connected it to the tv with a S-VIDEO cable and i want them both to show the same screen at the same time (clone mode)

Problem is with omega is that it doesnt work at all, not even at single screen mode

If i use the ATI tray tools that came with omega i can swap the screen but not clone, I go the settings and when ever i activate one screen it deactivates the other

I have tried CCC and Ati control panel with similar results
i'm at the end of my wits and im wondering why is this happening?

Dyre Straits · May 10, 2006, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atzitzy

Hi

I have a X800GTO2 with the latest omega drivers

I connected it to the tv with a S-VIDEO cable and i want them both to show the same screen at the same time (clone mode)

Problem is with omega is that it doesnt work at all, not even at single screen mode

If i use the ATI tray tools that came with omega i can swap the screen but not clone, I go the settings and when ever i activate one screen it deactivates the other

I have tried CCC and Ati control panel with similar results
i'm at the end of my wits and im wondering why is this happening?

Greetings! And welcome to Driverheaven!

I've been a fan of Omegadrivers for years. I've had no trouble activating TV Out on my system. However, to do so, I have to go to Display Properties/Settings/Advanced/Displays and Turn On the TV Display:

atzitzy · May 10, 2006, 02:05 PM

Yes this is what i've done
and as mentioned, it does not work at all

Dyre Straits · May 10, 2006, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atzitzy

Yes this is what i've done
and as mentioned, it does not work at all

If the cables are all connected properly, it should work. I've never had an issue like this.

If it were mine, I'd check it out, if possible, on another system to see if the card works properly. If not, it should be returned as a faulty card.

hårdnackad · May 11, 2006, 01:38 AM

i have to say that finding this was a BIG relief for me! i have the exact same problem just like you do. 5 days ago i got my new ati x1600pro card. changing from my old 9550 card, thinking things whould be just the same like it was with my old card. i think iv'e been looking into this problem more than 20 hours since i got the card. looking all over the net asking around, don't finding ANYONE with the same problem like we have. i hope to bring an end to this problem soon. i count on you guys! PLEASE help us out!

ps. sorry for my bad english.

Dyre Straits · May 11, 2006, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hårdnackad

i have to say that finding this was a BIG relief for me! i have the exact same problem just like you do. 5 days ago i got my new ati x1600pro card. changing from my old 9550 card, thinking things whould be just the same like it was with my old card. i think iv'e been looking into this problem more than 20 hours since i got the card. looking all over the net asking around, don't finding ANYONE with the same problem like we have. i hope to bring an end to this problem soon. i count on you guys! PLEASE help us out!

ps. sorry for my bad english.

Greetings! And Welcome to Driverheaven!

I think we need to ask you to supply the additional computer specifications for your system.

As I've said, I've had no trouble like you both have described. However, maybe together we can come up with a solution.

hårdnackad · May 11, 2006, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

Greetings! And Welcome to Driverheaven!

I think we need to ask you to supply the additional computer specifications for your system.

As I've said, I've had no trouble like you both have described. However, maybe together we can come up with a solution.

ok. let's se what kind of information you might need. windows xp sp2 (with all updates), latest omega drivers with ati tray tools, his x1600pro agp. i think that was the information needed!?

regarding the problem we have, i noticed that under 'screens' the monitor button for me isn't green, it's grey. and the tv button is red (off). maybe there is some activation problem? it should be green got damnit. i appreciate you trying to help!

atzitzy · May 11, 2006, 05:47 PM

Well by now i have switched back to ati driver 6.4 with CCC
The same problem occurs, i can swap screens but not clone

the fact that i can swap means all the connections are fine

as for faulty card, i can see on both screens just fine only not at the same time
i dont think its faulty

what other information can i give in order to help you help me?

Dyre Straits · May 11, 2006, 06:21 PM

What size PSU do you guys have in your systems? More importantly, what is the AMP rating on the 12 V Rails?

In the image I posted above, are the blue 'buttons' active for you? Can you click on those to change settings? Do they presently look like the one in my image?

I've been able to use this feature quite well over the years and do so frequently enough to capture video from my game rig onto my second rig. So, it does puzzle me as to why it's not working for you guys.

atzitzy · May 11, 2006, 07:01 PM

I have a 500W PSU dont know what you mean by amp on the 12v rails

as for the blue buttons
when i had control panel and omega they were there
they were just unclickable

Dyre Straits · May 11, 2006, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atzitzy

I have a 500W PSU dont know what you mean by amp on the 12v rails

as for the blue buttons
when i had control panel and omega they were there
they were just unclickable

On your PSU is a label....or should be. On there is listed the details for various voltages and amp ratings. On my 550 W PSU I have 28A listed on the 12V column. Many of the PSUs that come with 'off the shelf' computers are just too cheaply made and may have Amps of less than 16. That's really not enough for today's power-demanding video cards.

So, if you had this working with a previous, not so demanding video card, this may be the source of the trouble.

atzitzy · May 11, 2006, 07:17 PM

Well i have 17Amps at the 12V column
and its a 450W not 500W (my bad)
But i wonder how lack of power can affect my problem

the screens are powered by a diffrent source and not the vid card
and i used my card for high end games while overclocked and never had a problem

Dyre Straits · May 11, 2006, 09:48 PM

It's just a thought, but, the signal to each of your screens comes from the video card. If there's not enough power to supply the signal to both, then, possibly, it's default to a single signal to just one or the other.

Does your video card have a separate power connection like my X800 XL? If so, do you have it plugged directly from the PSU...not from a Y-splitter that plugs into another device, too?

atzitzy · May 11, 2006, 09:56 PM

Yeah it does have a seperate connection
and it does have a y-split

I dont think its a power problem
I've ran high end games at maximum quality while overclocked without a problem
i think that would be more power consuming than a signal to two screens
but then again i cant say i know for sure

hårdnackad · May 12, 2006, 09:39 PM

i have a brand new power supply in my computer, this one i have http://www.qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13981 so there might not be a power problem. and the gfx card is connected directly to the psu and not with an y-spliter. really strange we can't get it to work properly.

hårdnackad · May 14, 2006, 11:18 PM

hey atzitzy! did you solve the problem? haven't seen you for a while. my problem is still running my nerves. it just can't be you and me having this problem!? so if anyone can help or give a tip, please do so!

atzitzy · May 15, 2006, 10:27 AM

Yeah i still have it :\

Dyre Straits · May 15, 2006, 10:33 AM

Yeah, I'm still scratching my head trying to come up with more suggestions.

On my own setup here, I have TWO monitors connected to my X800 XL as well as the TV OUT connected to the Video IN on my second computer's AIW 9600.

We can only activate TWO displays at a time. But, I have no trouble turning on either of the other two.....second monitor OR TV Out.

It's really weird that you guys can only activate ONE display or the other.

hårdnackad · May 15, 2006, 01:32 PM

it keeps bugging me why the 'power' button is grey and not green like it should be. it only turns green when pressing left mouse button over it, but when i release it it's grey again. iv'e been reading tons of stuff about the ati cards on the net. and somewhere i read that you need microsoft framework.net 1.1 and 2.0 installed to be able to clone screens when using omega drivers. i have both of them installed anyway. i dunno but there just might be something missing? but on the other hand. it worked just fine with my older ati card. maybe there is something that needs to be done with this avivo stuff!? argh.. i'm getting crazy, feels like a good time to call ati and tell'em what i think! hahaha!

Koax · May 15, 2006, 08:44 PM

try the options in the screen i link to below, those are the settings i use on my laptop for clone mode, notice the areas i put red boses around and check the connections from your card to the tv, if they are not connected properly the drivers will not start the tv properly. the right side of the image is for display 2 and should be unchecked

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7263/clone9jw.jpg

hårdnackad · May 15, 2006, 10:12 PM

i tried just like you told me to do. but my buttons are unclickable, maybe i shall uninstall my drivers and try again and install them. i have allready done it 4 times. but maybe the uninstall left something that makes it malfunction!?

atzitzy · May 15, 2006, 11:10 PM

Same thing happens to me

hårdnackad · May 16, 2006, 12:24 AM

i even start to think about doing everything from the begining. format to whole thing and install everything all over again. but things like that takes alot of time. so it will be the last way out.

hårdnackad · May 17, 2006, 06:47 PM

re-formated my computer. didn't help. going to get someone to help me flash my bios to se if the problem is in bios. and while i'm here. i have a windows xp home edition OEM version. if i change my motherboard to something more modern, will my win OEM version still work?

Dyre Straits · May 17, 2006, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hårdnackad

re-formated my computer. didn't help. going to get someone to help me flash my bios to se if the problem is in bios. and while i'm here. i have a windows xp home edition OEM version. if i change my motherboard to something more modern, will my win OEM version still work?

If the OEM version of Windows is locked to your motherboard, no, you won't be able to switch motherboards.

atzitzy · May 19, 2006, 01:53 PM

I have a brand new winxp sp2 professional corporate edition and still the problem occurs

hårdnackad · May 19, 2006, 08:32 PM

atzitzy: what kind of motherboard do you have? i have an older one from 2003. d1520 from fujitsu-siemens. might be intresting to know if you also have an older one.

atzitzy · May 20, 2006, 03:59 PM

I have a Gigabyte 8I-945GMF
I bought it not long ago however i do not know how old it is

Dyre Straits · May 20, 2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atzitzy

I have a Gigabyte 8I-945GMF
I bought it not long ago however i do not know how old it is

If you haven't done so already, go to this page and download the latest drivers and BIOS for your motherboard. This may take care of your problem. At any rate, getting the latest drivers and BIOS won't hurt at all.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/M...me=GA-8I945GMF

Liqourice · May 22, 2006, 07:06 PM

If you have all cables connected and the TV on when you boot the computer, do you see the booting process on both your monitor and your TV?

I do on mine and everything works just fine here. I mean that this could be a way to test if you can get the same output both monitor and tv at all.

Or maybe something's bugged with my card since it defaults to sending data through the TV output as well!?!

May 9, 2006, 09:59 PM	#1
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Clone Screen Problem Hi I have a X800GTO2 with the latest omega drivers I connected it to the tv with a S-VIDEO cable and i want them both to show the same screen at the same time (clone mode) Problem is with omega is that it doesnt work at all, not even at single screen mode If i use the ATI tray tools that came with omega i can swap the screen but not clone, I go the settings and when ever i activate one screen it deactivates the other I have tried CCC and Ati control panel with similar results i'm at the end of my wits and im wondering why is this happening?

May 10, 2006, 02:05 PM	Thread Starter #3
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Yes this is what i've done and as mentioned, it does not work at all

May 11, 2006, 01:38 AM	#5
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	i have to say that finding this was a BIG relief for me! i have the exact same problem just like you do. 5 days ago i got my new ati x1600pro card. changing from my old 9550 card, thinking things whould be just the same like it was with my old card. i think iv'e been looking into this problem more than 20 hours since i got the card. looking all over the net asking around, don't finding ANYONE with the same problem like we have. i hope to bring an end to this problem soon. i count on you guys! PLEASE help us out! ps. sorry for my bad english.

May 11, 2006, 05:47 PM	Thread Starter #8
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Well by now i have switched back to ati driver 6.4 with CCC The same problem occurs, i can swap screens but not clone the fact that i can swap means all the connections are fine as for faulty card, i can see on both screens just fine only not at the same time i dont think its faulty what other information can i give in order to help you help me?

May 11, 2006, 07:01 PM	Thread Starter #10
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I have a 500W PSU dont know what you mean by amp on the 12v rails as for the blue buttons when i had control panel and omega they were there they were just unclickable

May 11, 2006, 07:17 PM	Thread Starter #12
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Well i have 17Amps at the 12V column and its a 450W not 500W (my bad) But i wonder how lack of power can affect my problem the screens are powered by a diffrent source and not the vid card and i used my card for high end games while overclocked and never had a problem

May 11, 2006, 09:56 PM	Thread Starter #14
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Yeah it does have a seperate connection and it does have a y-split I dont think its a power problem I've ran high end games at maximum quality while overclocked without a problem i think that would be more power consuming than a signal to two screens but then again i cant say i know for sure

May 12, 2006, 09:39 PM	#15
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	i have a brand new power supply in my computer, this one i have http://www.qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13981 so there might not be a power problem. and the gfx card is connected directly to the psu and not with an y-spliter. really strange we can't get it to work properly.

May 14, 2006, 11:18 PM	#16
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	hey atzitzy! did you solve the problem? haven't seen you for a while. my problem is still running my nerves. it just can't be you and me having this problem!? so if anyone can help or give a tip, please do so!

May 15, 2006, 10:27 AM	Thread Starter #17
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Yeah i still have it :\

May 15, 2006, 01:32 PM	#19
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	it keeps bugging me why the 'power' button is grey and not green like it should be. it only turns green when pressing left mouse button over it, but when i release it it's grey again. iv'e been reading tons of stuff about the ati cards on the net. and somewhere i read that you need microsoft framework.net 1.1 and 2.0 installed to be able to clone screens when using omega drivers. i have both of them installed anyway. i dunno but there just might be something missing? but on the other hand. it worked just fine with my older ati card. maybe there is something that needs to be done with this avivo stuff!? argh.. i'm getting crazy, feels like a good time to call ati and tell'em what i think! hahaha!

May 15, 2006, 08:44 PM	#20
Koax DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	try the options in the screen i link to below, those are the settings i use on my laptop for clone mode, notice the areas i put red boses around and check the connections from your card to the tv, if they are not connected properly the drivers will not start the tv properly. the right side of the image is for display 2 and should be unchecked http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7263/clone9jw.jpg

May 15, 2006, 10:12 PM	#21
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	i tried just like you told me to do. but my buttons are unclickable, maybe i shall uninstall my drivers and try again and install them. i have allready done it 4 times. but maybe the uninstall left something that makes it malfunction!?

May 15, 2006, 11:10 PM	Thread Starter #22
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Same thing happens to me

May 16, 2006, 12:24 AM	#23
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	i even start to think about doing everything from the begining. format to whole thing and install everything all over again. but things like that takes alot of time. so it will be the last way out.

May 17, 2006, 06:47 PM	#24
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	re-formated my computer. didn't help. going to get someone to help me flash my bios to se if the problem is in bios. and while i'm here. i have a windows xp home edition OEM version. if i change my motherboard to something more modern, will my win OEM version still work?

May 19, 2006, 01:53 PM	Thread Starter #26
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I have a brand new winxp sp2 professional corporate edition and still the problem occurs

May 19, 2006, 08:32 PM	#27
hårdnackad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	atzitzy: what kind of motherboard do you have? i have an older one from 2003. d1520 from fujitsu-siemens. might be intresting to know if you also have an older one.

May 20, 2006, 03:59 PM	Thread Starter #28
atzitzy DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I have a Gigabyte 8I-945GMF I bought it not long ago however i do not know how old it is

May 22, 2006, 07:06 PM	#30
Liqourice HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,551 Rep Power: 84 System Specs	If you have all cables connected and the TV on when you boot the computer, do you see the booting process on both your monitor and your TV? I do on mine and everything works just fine here. I mean that this could be a way to test if you can get the same output both monitor and tv at all. Or maybe something's bugged with my card since it defaults to sending data through the TV output as well!?!