ATI Catalyst 6.5 drivers released discuss and rate them here

brutusmaximus · May 25, 2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Leekay07

Seriously WHERE is the option for profiles. I want my crossfire to work with everything.

Yeah my mate aint too happy with CF either, most of his games arent showing benefits......

Spyre · May 25, 2006, 12:47 AM

@ brutusmaximus
Yes they are better than the 6.4's IMO.

Which games were you having an issue with?

May as well get the 6.5's with oblivion chuck fix at the same time as you will need the CCC from the official release.

Ib Al-Musaheb · May 25, 2006, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tech.Me

It looks like no change for AGP users...

But oh well. Gonna get these when 3rd party drivers comes out.

Believe me, when I've firstly scanned the text reading the fixes and the main information I'd immediately stuck on that performance gain message here:

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Originally Posted by Spyre

* Up to 23% gain in UT2004
* Up to 20% gain in Splinter Cell

But after a second look at the text above you'll notice that this refers to a PCIe/crossfire system configuration.

I really don't know what ATI is trying to achieve with this strategy: They're obviously focussing so extremely on PCIe card producing and chip shipping that they must have fallen asleep and don't see which Nvidia is overtaking the whole AGP market with their 7800GS - and thanks to Gainward the BLISS-version is the best AGP card, at all.

Before people are going to ask me: No, I don't need another AGP card, I'm happy with my current one.
But taking a closer look onto my chip manufacturer who is supposed to invent new technologies, to provide technical support and to do more for its own benefits I must say that none of those have been accomplished for me:
The Catalyst driver came delayed - and more than that: no crucial fix has been integrated, CCC is as slow as always (another reason why I'll stick to Omegas with CPs) and moreover ATI forgot about us AGP users ...

Disappointment isn't even strong enough to describe my mood now.

Spyre · May 25, 2006, 12:58 AM

There are always other speed improvements but changes below any huge amount are not usually reported on the release notes, so AGP and older card users shouldn't be writing these drivers off as nothing for them. Plus ATI don't test every possible game.

brutusmaximus · May 25, 2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Spyre

Which games were you having an issue with?

May as well get the 6.5's with oblivion chuck fix at the same time as you will need the CCC from the official release.

yeah ill give them a blast, I wasnt having any luck with tomb raider legends, this game just keeps crashing for me, ill see if 6.5 fix it.

Gnerma · May 25, 2006, 01:27 AM

@ Ib Al-Musaheb - So. You're happy with the CP in the omega drivers, you're generally happy with your card as a whole and ATi have already spent over a year working on performance and bug fixes for your card when it was current gen. What is the problem? Do you expect them to magically pull out some kind of huge performance increase for a card they've already spent many months and millions of dollars optimizing for? Would you be happy if the release notes said "0.01% performance gain on <Ib Al-Musaheb's card> for some games in some situations"? If you want more performance buy a new card.

When did people start expecting drivers to work magic? Even when there is a speed boost its almost always just a frame or two

Aurahead · May 25, 2006, 02:24 AM

Question about chuck fix, what's for? Just for Oblivion?
//thnx

Chaos · May 25, 2006, 02:58 AM

yup it's just the 6.5 with the Oblivion stuff added

Dyre Straits · May 25, 2006, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurahead

Question about chuck fix, what's for? Just for Oblivion?
//thnx

Out of the box, many ATI users couldn't activate the HDR setting in Oblivion. This patch fixes that and the AA issue, too.

EnPassant · May 25, 2006, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

Out of the box, many ATI users couldn't activate the HDR setting in Oblivion. This patch fixes that and the AA issue, too.

Is it ok to install the Oblivion patch over the regular 6.5 drivers so the CCC works correctly?. Or is it better to download the CCC and install it after driver install?.

Aurahead · May 25, 2006, 04:00 AM

Oooh I c thnx for answear ^_^
Havent try this Update yet, was thinking maybe I should wait for Omega or I should give it a try and compare if it will be any improve for my X800xt pe

Spyre · May 25, 2006, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by EnPassant

Is it ok to install the Oblivion patch over the regular 6.5 drivers so the CCC works correctly?. Or is it better to download the CCC and install it after driver install?.

I would remove everything then install chuck 6.5's then install the regular CCC and parental encoder afterwards.

EfrainMan · May 25, 2006, 04:23 AM

The 6.5's x64 version don't install. Period. I keep getting a missing file message, and I've tried redownloading. Twice. Back to 6.4...

Cinematic · May 25, 2006, 05:52 AM

Running a Xtasy X800XT AGP with the new 6.5's. So far as cool as the other side of the pillow. For those with a x8xx series why wouldn't you want these? Adaptive AA now is enabled.... I'd say ATI has been thinking of the older cards as well as the new ones

. As for the CCC its deal or no deal

. Personally I see no reason not to use it, after I take the 5 minutes to setup the profiles after fresh install I barely ever use it again. So far these have corrected some minor graphical errors in EQ2 for me, will wait to see how they do on the long run, haven't tried CS Source yet.

Hapatingjaky · May 25, 2006, 06:00 AM

Catalyst 6.4

Doom3 - 80.5FPS
HalfLife 2 - 107.65FPS
Fear - 0% Below 25FPS, 13% Between 25 and 40FPS, 87% Above 40FPS

Catalsyt 6.5

Doom3 - 77.2FPS
HalfLife 2 - 95.64FPS
Fear - 22% Below 25FPS, 78% Between 25 and 40FPS, 0 % Above 40FPS

Tested on:

AMD Athlon64 3700+
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Bios 1016
4GB DDR PC3200 5,2,2,2
ATI Radeon X850XT PE
Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS
Segated 7200.9 160GB SATA RAID 0
Windows XP X64 Edition

I had to run the Fear benchmarks a few times just to be sure, that is the average out of 4 runs. Not very good since they state there are performance improvements. All the benchmarks were run without AAA. With AAA on the games are all below 30FPS.

I don't know why ATI would consider enabling AAA for anything below an X1800XT. Its clearly unplayable on an X850XTPE. Too many spikes in FPS with it enabled on quality or performance.

buddydog12 · May 25, 2006, 06:09 AM

I have a AGP X1600 i gave these a five because 480P mode out to HDTV via component cable is still screwed up (overscan) scince 6.4,But one good thing video seems better.

Guyver2K5 · May 25, 2006, 06:33 AM

awsome, gatta wait for softmod version though

Ib Al-Musaheb · May 25, 2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gnerma

What is the problem? Do you expect them to magically pull out some kind of huge performance increase for a card they've already spent many months and millions of dollars optimizing for? Would you be happy if the release notes said "0.01% performance gain on <Ib Al-Musaheb's card> for some games in some situations"?

I see your point and I accept it ... Seriously, I was kinda upset in my former posting. With this delayed release of this driver I might have expect something special - that there won't be something like that in ATI's drivers, I really could have thought of.
But however, I still keep behaving like a 10 year old waiting for his birthday presents when a driver set is on the verge of being released.

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Originally Posted by Gnerma

If you want more performance buy a new card.

I probably will soon. I might switch to that powerful 7800GS cards and I still hope Nvidia is going to bring up more high-end AGP cards for the market.
And as I've said before: I wonder why ATI doesn't come up with another bunch of cards for the old interface - don't they have the time or the interest to do so?
They seem to rest on their X850XT PE-versions still considering them as the spearhead of all AGP cards which isn't true anymore, though.

As you've mentioned: my card's times have passed a long while ago. And it seems even the next Catalyst drivers won't bring back those great times ...
Besides, I can understand ATI and the new graphic card-market with this PCIe-thing: They just want to be up-to-date to successfully compete with Nvidia. Nevertheless, especially to me they seem to forget about the whole of the graphics market: pure performance gains would be cool for "older" cards but I also need some overall bugfixing. For instance, I still keep waiting for that shadow bug-fix for several games like Bf2 - Nvidia money or not, this has to be fixed!

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Originally Posted by Gnerma

When did people start expecting drivers to work magic? Even when there is a speed boost its almost always just a frame or two

Actually, everyone in this forum expects something more out of every driver set - even you count to those people!
As for me, I don't believe in gains which give me 12 more fps in every game ... it's just not realistic.

But concerning the manner you're asking: What would be another point to wait for the next drivers. People typically only want their games to be faster and their programs to be bugfixed.
No one is going to say "Hey, another Catalyst ... I wonder how the new CCC interface looks like".
The essential part of a new driver is just bringing up improvements in games, system and integrate new card types and therefore enhancing their functionality.

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Originally Posted by Spyre

There are always other speed improvements but changes below any huge amount are not usually reported on the release notes, so AGP and older card users shouldn't be writing these drivers off as nothing for them. Plus ATI don't test every possible game.

Yeah, thanks for that answer!

I might check them out soon.

X1800XTTOP · May 25, 2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

Catalsyt 6.5

Doom3 - 77.2FPS
HalfLife 2 - 95.64FPS
Fear - 22% Below 25FPS, 78% Between 25 and 40FPS, 0 % Above 40FPS

Very wierd. I used to have reduced performance in fear with the 6.4s. It´s now all fixed, performance is as good as it can be.

Also, for people complaining about long startup and CCC using too much resources... just read the guide over at tweakguides.com. I have no delay in startup/memory usage from the CCC at all. If you don´t want to read the guide, for whatever reason, then blame yourself.

I find the drivers perfect. I have one ONE issue though (wich is a confirmed game issue anyways). The Hitman4 demo isn´t performing as it should. I get very low fps (~24) on both highest (1280X1024 4xAA 16xAF) and lowest (800X600) settings. Edios are working on a patch though, wich they want to be released, with the game, on friday.

I also think it´s great of ATi to release the chuck patch for these drivers. I´m not using it (always been afraid of beta stuff), but i think many others that cant wait for it to become official will love this.

Kombatant · May 25, 2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ib Al-Musaheb

I probably will soon. I might switch to that powerful 7800GS cards and I still hope Nvidia is going to bring up more high-end AGP cards for the market.
And as I've said before: I wonder why ATI doesn't come up with another bunch of cards for the old interface - don't they have the time or the interest to do so?
They seem to rest on their X850XT PE-versions still considering them as the spearhead of all AGP cards which isn't true anymore, though.

Unfortunately you'll be just delaying the inevitable; every X years the bus changes. That's the way it is - buying a rather expensive AGP part right now in my eyes is not very wise, since you will be forced to upgrade to PCI-e sooner or later, thus making your soon-to-buy expensive card obsolete. My advice would be to just save up some more money and go PCI-e. AGP is dead for the enthusiast market, and its days in the mainstream market are numbered too I'm afraid.

Anyway, back to the drivers

MEABeemer · May 25, 2006, 11:48 AM

Listen up guys!

"ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5 BETA[/color]" from Station-Drivers.com say:
"DriverVer=05/08/2006, 8.253.0.0"

These "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5[/color]" say:
"DriverVer=05/03/2006, 8.252.0.0"

The "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5 Chuck Patch[/color]" say:
"DriverVer=05/03/2006, 8.252.0.0"

I think the "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5 BETA[/color]" are actually "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.6 BETA[/color]", I keep using these BETA's in combo with Ray Adams' "ATI Tray Tools 1.0.5.880" because these are the real latest ones from ATi and they work great for me, better than "ATi Catalyst 6.5" and even better than "Omega 6.3" and "ExtremeATi 1.6.3", I don't wanna talk about the "ATi Catalyst 6.4" because those were just complete JUNK!

C U L8R!!!

Ib Al-Musaheb · May 25, 2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kombatant

Unfortunately you'll be just delaying the inevitable; every X years the bus changes. That's the way it is - buying a rather expensive AGP part right now in my eyes is not very wise, since you will be forced to upgrade to PCI-e sooner or later, thus making your soon-to-buy expensive card obsolete. My advice would be to just save up some more money and go PCI-e. AGP is dead for the enthusiast market, and its days in the mainstream market are numbered too I'm afraid.

Yeah, you're definitely right.
I'm really glad that I regged here some months ago. I love this forum, people like you just give me perfect and sensible advice!

Thanx man, I should stick to your view!

ace11 · May 25, 2006, 11:58 AM

i agree with MEABeemer ....
6.5 beta are amazing . they are newer copmaring 6.5 release .
they are the best i seen so far from ATI .
try them ...

~~Alien1~~ · May 25, 2006, 12:19 PM

Well they have some very nice new features and some serious improvements\fixes at last
but unfortunately i would not call them Hitman BM friendly...

I give them a 8
I hope Omega also to be released soon

They are not the best from ATI but they are surely very nice

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Originally Posted by EvaUnitXIV

how's ccc? still hogging resources?

Do not expect miracles with it

Maybe ATI change it again in near future and make it more like to Nvidia New C panel

Ib Al-Musaheb · May 25, 2006, 12:41 PM

You guys claim that 6.5 BETA is better than the final 6.5 release?

INSTG8R · May 25, 2006, 12:58 PM

Im just still puzzled about this HDR+AA thing. I mean this was the "big deal" with the X1000 series cards and yet its still a "beta Chuck Patch" to do it? Are these cards now not almost a year old? Im planning a new build next month and making the jump to PCI-E and HL2 Episode 1 will be out next week I would hope by THEN(Cat 6.6's) it will be the standard feature it was supposed to be....

ace11 · May 25, 2006, 01:06 PM

Ib Al-Musaheb :
yes

Ib Al-Musaheb · May 25, 2006, 01:17 PM

ace11 :
Okay!

Well then, I'm going to try them out now ...

X1800XTTOP · May 25, 2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by INSTG8R

Im just still puzzled about this HDR+AA thing. I mean this was the "big deal" with the X1000 series cards and yet its still a "beta Chuck Patch" to do it? Are these cards now not almost a year old? Im planning a new build next month and making the jump to PCI-E and HL2 Episode 1 will be out next week I would hope by THEN(Cat 6.6's) it will be the standard feature it was supposed to be....

The fact is that its funny how many developers get so excited about the shadow buffer thingie on nvidia cards, that they ABSOLUTELY HAVE to use it. But the fact that ATi cards can do HDR+AA at the same time doesnt apeal to them at all. Why is that, do you think?

I mean, the funniest thing is what happend with Splintercell 3. In the demo, I CAN enable BOTH HDR and AA. Ive tried, both HDR and AA is working 100%. But when i got the full game, i suddenly cannot apply AA when HDR is on. I see that as a gamebugg, nothing that ATi has control it. I would say Ubisoft cant make games, not that ATi cant make good drivers. Somewhere, people need to understand that what ATi is doing for oblivion, is what Bethsheda should have done for us ATi users.

Why don´t everyone go to the official oblivion forum and demand AA+HDR in oblivion for ATi users? It´s their fault, not ATi drivers.

AndyMutz · May 25, 2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapatingjaky

I don't know why ATI would consider enabling AAA for anything below an X1800XT. Its clearly unplayable on an X850XTPE. Too many spikes in FPS with it enabled on quality or performance.

it all depends on your hardware and your other ingame settings.
on my x800xt-pe card, i've been using the AAA option since the first catalyst version that supported it and i can't complain. FEAR runs great with 4xAAA and 8xAF (100% above 40 fps in the benchmark).

-andy-

May 25, 2006, 12:47 AM	Thread Starter #32
Spyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 240 Rep Power: 60	@ brutusmaximus Yes they are better than the 6.4's IMO. Which games were you having an issue with? May as well get the 6.5's with oblivion chuck fix at the same time as you will need the CCC from the official release. __________________ ATI Beta Tester game.AMD.Moderator

May 25, 2006, 12:58 AM	Thread Starter #34
Spyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 240 Rep Power: 60	There are always other speed improvements but changes below any huge amount are not usually reported on the release notes, so AGP and older card users shouldn't be writing these drivers off as nothing for them. Plus ATI don't test every possible game. __________________ ATI Beta Tester game.AMD.Moderator

May 25, 2006, 01:27 AM	#36
Gnerma Avatar limits = SPAM Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 101 Rep Power: 0	@ Ib Al-Musaheb - So. You're happy with the CP in the omega drivers, you're generally happy with your card as a whole and ATi have already spent over a year working on performance and bug fixes for your card when it was current gen. What is the problem? Do you expect them to magically pull out some kind of huge performance increase for a card they've already spent many months and millions of dollars optimizing for? Would you be happy if the release notes said "0.01% performance gain on <Ib Al-Musaheb's card> for some games in some situations"? If you want more performance buy a new card. When did people start expecting drivers to work magic? Even when there is a speed boost its almost always just a frame or two __________________ I disable sigs at Driver Heaven. Why? Because your huge ugly sig image irritates me

May 25, 2006, 02:24 AM	#37
Aurahead DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	Question about chuck fix, what's for? Just for Oblivion? //thnx __________________ [COLOR=#455b64] [/COLOR]

May 25, 2006, 02:58 AM	#38
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,269 Rep Power: 165 System Specs	yup it's just the 6.5 with the Oblivion stuff added __________________

May 25, 2006, 04:00 AM	#41
Aurahead DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	Oooh I c thnx for answear ^_^ Havent try this Update yet, was thinking maybe I should wait for Omega or I should give it a try and compare if it will be any improve for my X800xt pe __________________ [COLOR=#455b64] [/COLOR]

May 25, 2006, 04:23 AM	#43
EfrainMan HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 198 Rep Power: 49 System Specs	The 6.5's x64 version don't install. Period. I keep getting a missing file message, and I've tried redownloading. Twice. Back to 6.4... __________________ My modest video card history: S3 Virge, 3DLabs Permedia 2, 3dfx Voodoo3 2000, 3dfx Voodoo5 5500, GeForce 3 Ti500, GeForce 4 Ti4600, Radeon 9700 Pro, Radeon X800XT, Radeon X1900XT+Crossfire, GeForce 8800GTX, Radeon HD4870x2, Radeon HD5870, 2x Radeon HD6970

May 25, 2006, 05:52 AM	#44
Cinematic DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Running a Xtasy X800XT AGP with the new 6.5's. So far as cool as the other side of the pillow. For those with a x8xx series why wouldn't you want these? Adaptive AA now is enabled.... I'd say ATI has been thinking of the older cards as well as the new ones . As for the CCC its deal or no deal . Personally I see no reason not to use it, after I take the 5 minutes to setup the profiles after fresh install I barely ever use it again. So far these have corrected some minor graphical errors in EQ2 for me, will wait to see how they do on the long run, haven't tried CS Source yet. __________________ Windows XP Pro SP2 DirectX 9.0cAMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2600+ (2.19 GHz) / Thermalright SP-97 - 92mm Vantec TornadoThermaltake Xaser III V2000A Silver w/ 3x Vantec 80mm Tornados - Thermaltake Hardcano 12ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Mobo (nForce2) BIOS rev 1007Visiontek XTASY X800 XT 256MB DDR-3 (AGP) - ATI Catalyst 6.51.5 GB Corsair PC3200 XMS seriesHitachi 250GB HDT722525DLA380 SATAII 7200rpm 8MB HDD w/ Vantec HDC502A dual 5cm fan HDD cooler (boot)Pioneer DVD-120s (slot drive)ASUS 16x DVD burner w/ 5x DVD-RAMCreative SB Audigy 2Antec TrueControl 550W

May 25, 2006, 06:00 AM	#45
Hapatingjaky DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2006 Location: Edmonton AB Posts: 140 Rep Power: 0	Catalyst 6.4 Doom3 - 80.5FPS HalfLife 2 - 107.65FPS Fear - 0% Below 25FPS, 13% Between 25 and 40FPS, 87% Above 40FPS Catalsyt 6.5 Doom3 - 77.2FPS HalfLife 2 - 95.64FPS Fear - 22% Below 25FPS, 78% Between 25 and 40FPS, 0 % Above 40FPS Tested on: AMD Athlon64 3700+ Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Bios 1016 4GB DDR PC3200 5,2,2,2 ATI Radeon X850XT PE Soundblaster Audigy 2ZS Segated 7200.9 160GB SATA RAID 0 Windows XP X64 Edition I had to run the Fear benchmarks a few times just to be sure, that is the average out of 4 runs. Not very good since they state there are performance improvements. All the benchmarks were run without AAA. With AAA on the games are all below 30FPS. I don't know why ATI would consider enabling AAA for anything below an X1800XT. Its clearly unplayable on an X850XTPE. Too many spikes in FPS with it enabled on quality or performance.

May 25, 2006, 06:09 AM	#46
buddydog12 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I have a AGP X1600 i gave these a five because 480P mode out to HDTV via component cable is still screwed up (overscan) scince 6.4,But one good thing video seems better.

May 25, 2006, 06:33 AM	#47
Guyver2K5 Don't make me hungry. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Weyburn, Saskatchewan Posts: 4,319 Rep Power: 55	awsome, gatta wait for softmod version though __________________ *BlackberryPin-*31E36989

May 25, 2006, 11:48 AM	#51
MEABeemer C-Groove StreetFighter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 405 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Listen up guys! "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5 BETA[/color]" from Station-Drivers.com say: "DriverVer=05/08/2006, 8.253.0.0" These "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5[/color]" say: "DriverVer=05/03/2006, 8.252.0.0" The "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5 Chuck Patch[/color]" say: "DriverVer=05/03/2006, 8.252.0.0" I think the "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.5 BETA[/color]" are actually "ATi Catalyst [color=red]6.6 BETA[/color]", I keep using these BETA's in combo with Ray Adams' "ATI Tray Tools 1.0.5.880" because these are the real latest ones from ATi and they work great for me, better than "ATi Catalyst 6.5" and even better than "Omega 6.3" and "ExtremeATi 1.6.3", I don't wanna talk about the "ATi Catalyst 6.4" because those were just complete JUNK! C U L8R!!! __________________ XBox360 Slim 250GB

May 25, 2006, 11:58 AM	#53
ace11 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	i agree with MEABeemer .... 6.5 beta are amazing . they are newer copmaring 6.5 release . they are the best i seen so far from ATI . try them ...

May 25, 2006, 12:41 PM	#55
Ib Al-Musaheb DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 190 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	You guys claim that 6.5 BETA is better than the final 6.5 release? __________________

May 25, 2006, 12:58 PM	#56
INSTG8R DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canadian lost in Norway Posts: 527 Rep Power: 0	Im just still puzzled about this HDR+AA thing. I mean this was the "big deal" with the X1000 series cards and yet its still a "beta Chuck Patch" to do it? Are these cards now not almost a year old? Im planning a new build next month and making the jump to PCI-E and HL2 Episode 1 will be out next week I would hope by THEN(Cat 6.6's) it will be the standard feature it was supposed to be.... __________________ Sys. Specs. Intel E6600@3.2\|Abit IP35 Pro\|2x1024 Crucial Ballistix PC8500 \|Sapphire HD4870 512\|Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500G SATAII 16MB w/PRT\|SB X-Fi Fatality\|TT Tough Power 1200W\|TT Kandalf L.C.S.\|Samsung 204B 20" 5ms LCD\|Logitech G25\|Logitech G5\|Logitech G15\|Saitek X-52+Pro Rudder Pedals\|TrackIR w/Trackclip Pro 3DMark06

May 25, 2006, 01:06 PM	#57
ace11 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	Ib Al-Musaheb : yes

May 25, 2006, 01:17 PM	#58
Ib Al-Musaheb DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 190 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	ace11 : Okay! Well then, I'm going to try them out now ... __________________