To "Chuck Patch" or not to "Chuck Patch"

Dyre Straits · Aug 25, 2006, 08:51 AM

I'm laughing so hard I may not be typing just right. LOL!

Anyway, someone over at Tom's Hardware decided to benchmark the newest ATI 1950XTX and included the now-famous "Chuck Patch" drivers.

Regeneration has posted about this over at NGO forums and, the following link will take you directly to Tom's Hardware where the reviewer posted his results.

Here's what is funny: In Half-Life 2, which works just fine with HDR and AA together with the official drivers, they had big problems with HL-2 and the "Chuck Patch" drivers. So, they gave the benchmarks for it an 'Incomplete' due to all the "0"s generated due to the game not even starting.

You have to keep in mind that the "Chuck Patch" was developed ONLY for OBLIVION.

If you're interested, head on over here:

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/08/23..._uk/page8.html

Zardon · Aug 25, 2006, 09:24 AM

It is hard to believe.

"ati are trying to replicate the issue"......

Dyre Straits · Aug 25, 2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

It is hard to believe.

"ati are trying to replicate the issue"......

I know!! That's really crazy, isn't it?

Anyway, on a more serious note, is this the kind of thing that is keeping ATI from incorporating the Chuck Patch into the official drivers?

Zardon · Aug 25, 2006, 09:36 AM

I honestly have no idea Dyre, I stopped gaming on ATI a while ago when I gave up on my crossfire setup, it now gathers dust in the rig i do all my design work on, so I dont really keep up with ATI drivers anymore.

ive emailed a few people in ATI about this to get a response, im a little bewildered myself.

Al_Vampyre · Aug 25, 2006, 02:54 PM

What amazes me is that people that are benching for a site like Tom's should know that HL2 supports HDR+AA on the official drivers, so adding anything else was bound to cause issues...

Zardon · Aug 25, 2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_Vampyre

What amazes me is that people that are benching for a site like Tom's should know that HL2 supports HDR+AA on the official drivers, so adding anything else was bound to cause issues...

The guys I spoke to in ATI are as bewildered as we are about this and the labs in canada dont know anything about "ati replicating the issue".

A very very strange page indeed, looks like a schoolboy error to me.

Judas · Aug 25, 2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

I honestly have no idea Dyre

to date, my most favoritest, quote.

Zardon couldn't possibly be more honest could he?

(sorry off topic)

That's kinda funny that one of the games that ATI is reknown for running nearly the best/fastest and most capable modes for, specially considering it was one of the first to incorporate support for both right from the start, would be slapped up on toms hardware as a "no go, error, FAILURE TO LAUNCH"

some people.. really.... don't know what they are doing.

Zenoth · Aug 25, 2006, 09:47 PM

ATi, on their web-site, clearly tells us that the Chuck Patch is a proof of concept, and that they do not support it in any way.

I don't even know why they'd try to replicate the issue, since they "don't support it". It's not even their problem.

If their consumer choose to get the Chuck Patch, it's at their own risk.

The very company itself in a whole shouldn't even get blamed by that. If there's one person out there that has to answer questions, it's no one else than that guy who created that Patch, that "Chuck" guy.

And technically speaking, Tom's Hardware did not act professionally by benchmarking with non-official driver data/files in the first place. If they want to test with the Chuck Patch just because they're curious, then they shouldn't present it as an official benchmark.

Because of that, a lot of people will start to flame ATi and say that nVidia "pwn em'".

Zardon · Aug 25, 2006, 10:04 PM

well said zenoth, hope to see you around the forums more.

pr0digal jenius · Aug 26, 2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

well said zenoth, hope to see you around the forums more.

amen to that

Sobek · Aug 26, 2006, 03:08 AM

So...uh, has anyone else been able to replicate the issue? I've got a couple of x1900xt's (512mb) running the 6.8 Chuck patch, and even with AA enabled manually, Lost Coast loads and plays just fine.

Am I missing something?

dsdsdk · Aug 26, 2006, 06:57 AM

nvidia pwns ati due to chuck patch error

hehe, ill spread the word

Aug 25, 2006, 02:54 PM	#5
Al_Vampyre HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,532 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	What amazes me is that people that are benching for a site like Tom's should know that HL2 supports HDR+AA on the official drivers, so adding anything else was bound to cause issues... __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

Aug 25, 2006, 09:47 PM	#8
Zenoth HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	ATi, on their web-site, clearly tells us that the Chuck Patch is a proof of concept, and that they do not support it in any way. I don't even know why they'd try to replicate the issue, since they "don't support it". It's not even their problem. If their consumer choose to get the Chuck Patch, it's at their own risk. The very company itself in a whole shouldn't even get blamed by that. If there's one person out there that has to answer questions, it's no one else than that guy who created that Patch, that "Chuck" guy. And technically speaking, Tom's Hardware did not act professionally by benchmarking with non-official driver data/files in the first place. If they want to test with the Chuck Patch just because they're curious, then they shouldn't present it as an official benchmark. Because of that, a lot of people will start to flame ATi and say that nVidia "pwn em'". __________________ *CPU: Intel C2D E8400 @ Stock* *Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 BIOS F9f* *Memory: OCZ Reaper HPC PC2-6400 4GB @ Stock* *GPU: eVGA GeForce GTX285 @ Stock* *APU: SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Music* *PSU: Corsair TX750W* OS: Windows Vista Ultimate SP2 x64

Aug 26, 2006, 06:57 AM	#12
dsdsdk DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, CPH. Posts: 586 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	nvidia pwns ati due to chuck patch error hehe, ill spread the word __________________ No more Kitty!

Aug 25, 2006, 09:24 AM	#2
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	It is hard to believe. "ati are trying to replicate the issue"......

Aug 25, 2006, 09:36 AM	#4
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I honestly have no idea Dyre, I stopped gaming on ATI a while ago when I gave up on my crossfire setup, it now gathers dust in the rig i do all my design work on, so I dont really keep up with ATI drivers anymore. ive emailed a few people in ATI about this to get a response, im a little bewildered myself.

Aug 25, 2006, 10:04 PM	#9
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	well said zenoth, hope to see you around the forums more.

Aug 26, 2006, 03:08 AM	#11
Sobek DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	So...uh, has anyone else been able to replicate the issue? I've got a couple of x1900xt's (512mb) running the 6.8 Chuck patch, and even with AA enabled manually, Lost Coast loads and plays just fine. Am I missing something?