Catalyst 7.10 with X1950 AGP support?

Pluvious · Oct 24, 2007, 05:23 PM

Oh there is no doubt I'll go Nvidia next time. The lost me as a customer due to this problem.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 24, 2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pluvious

Oh there is no doubt I'll go Nvidia next time. The lost me as a customer due to this problem.

and i'll help you out as an NVIDIOT

tee-hee

Omegadrive · Oct 25, 2007, 08:36 AM

Fixed on my new drivers, stop QQ

Pluvious · Oct 25, 2007, 06:58 PM

Thank you, THANK YOU!

JohnDoe47 · Oct 25, 2007, 09:11 PM

There is no doubt about the fact that AMD are loosing this race in graphic cards. Yes AMD will keep bringing out new cards to compete but when it comes to performance NVIDIA are by far the leaders. NVIDIA are on the verge of mass producing 9800GTX's whilst AMD are starting to tweak their 2900Series.

Believe it or not I'm an AMD fan boy and always will be but if you want to take a giant step into the future of graphics then I'm sad to say NVIDIA is your answer. Why 'Matrox' couldn't stay in the game I don't have a clue.

I remember at one point when I upgraded from my Asus A9600XT/TVD to an Nvidia GeForce 6600GT and NVIDIA never released ANY drivers for a 6 month period !!! Now look at NVIDIA, new drivers nearly every week ! AMD may have there dodgy driver release every so often but at least they have a new driver every month.

And as for my near approaching transition to PCI-E...what is the point? I may as well wait for PCI-E 2.0 as thats just starting to come around. AGP is still the clear choice for me as companies such as Intel can't decide what the hell they want to do (I will release a new CPU every week), PC's become outdated every 6 months. As for me I'm 3.5 years out of date.

And to finish off my thread title (Catalyst 7.10 with X1950 AGP support); the answer is yes.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 25, 2007, 09:17 PM

if i could afford to go pci-e right now, i could. despite that pci-e 2.0 is just about here.

blitz.xp · Oct 25, 2007, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

a quick question about drivers of the 7.7 and up....does this affect all AGP cards, or only the x1950pro cards?

i wonder because recently i reformatted a friend's machine which had a 9600pro card in it. and for fear of this issue, i put on the 7.6 driver.

I had this issue with an ASUS Radeon 9600XT

bman · Oct 29, 2007, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omegadrive

Fixed on my new drivers, stop QQ

Well... I thank you for your work but what you did is not really a fix... What you did is simply what has already been said in this thread, if it's an AGP card you simply use the direct3d file from the 7.7 drivers.

This is a problem that ATI must address and i expect them to really fix the problem.

nasman · Oct 29, 2007, 07:01 PM

i thought i'd share my experience - recently purchased a sapphire x1950pro 512mb agp card and only installed the 7.10 drivers (with ati tray tools and not ccc) which seemed to be working fine with games like pes6 and the recent unreal/lostplanet/enemyterritory demos, although i did notice small graphical glitches (white spotting) from time to time.

then i installed the crysis demo yesterday and saw that lots of problems with polygons intersecting each other and occlusion type stuff not working properly. i installed the 7.7 driver over the 7.10's and crysis displays absolutely fine without glitches and with fps in the 30's in low-medium type settings (p4 3ghz, 2gb ram).

i think those people who say the 7.10 works are probably not aware of driver problems depending on what games they are playing.

anyhoo, hope that helps a little.

Volcom929 · Oct 30, 2007, 10:09 PM

Hmmm Catalyst 7.10 work fine for me, have been playng Crysis demo, HL2 Ep 2, WoW, FEAR, and other games fine. I installed the 7.10's with a clean wipe of the old drivers too. This PC is 3+ years old minus the X1950 and still does pretty damn good for what I use it for.

Pluvious · Oct 30, 2007, 10:38 PM

You where one of the lucky ones.. when I tried official Cat 7.10's, they borked my rig. Black desktop at boot everytime. Thank god for Omega and his modified set. Thanks to him I can use my video card.

farinhir · Nov 8, 2007, 02:57 AM

Hmm. Even trying to use the omega drivers (7.10) I am having trouble. I am no longer able to play Dark Messiah of M&M since I changed over to the ATI x1950pro 512MB AGP card (crashes at gamestart without a message). This is regardless of what driver I am using I have found. With the Omega Drivers I am able to play D3D games for a bit, but once I log out of one I am unable to start another one without resetting the system.

DXDiag error messages for D3D are as follows:
Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 39 (SetDisplayMode to 640x480x16): HRESULT = 0x80004001 (Not implemented)
Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device): HRESULT = 0x88760827 (error code)
Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device): HRESULT = 0x8876086c (error code)

Another problem was the DD did not work properly at this point. Response from DXDIAG was:
DirectDraw test results: Failure at step 17 (SetDisplayMode to 640x480x16): HRESULT = 0x80004001 (Not implemented)

System specs are as follows:
AMD Athlon 2600+ Barton
ATI x1950 pro 512MB AGP
2048MB RAM
ABIT AN7 Mobo
HDD and DVD are unimportant IMO

If anyone wants to help me figure this out I would appreciate it much. I was on nVidia before this upgrade and so far I am not happy with ATI. I expected the drivers to work when I bought this card. I have also saved a copy of the dxdiag report if it can help.

~F~

Pluvious · Nov 8, 2007, 03:20 AM

First thing I would do is download the latest DirectX and re-install it over your existing install.

belinda · Nov 8, 2007, 04:12 AM

hi farinhir,

- have you deinstalled the nvidia drivers completely before switching to the new x1950?
- always a good idea: boot to safemode, run driver cleaner to get rid of nvidia and/or ati graphic driver leftovers before installing any new drivers
- afaik agp support is broken in ati's cat 7.10, so choose "agp" when installing the omega drivers v3.8.421 (so omega's modified cat 7.7 with agp support is installed instead)
- download and install directx v9.0c nov2007

now check dxdiag tests again and report your results.

good luck
belinda

farinhir · Nov 8, 2007, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belinda

hi farinhir,

- have you deinstalled the nvidia drivers completely before switching to the new x1950?
- always a good idea: boot to safemode, run driver cleaner to get rid of nvidia and/or ati graphic driver leftovers before installing any new drivers

I just went and got driver cleaner to do this. I had uninstalled the nVidia drivers before removing the card to place the ATI card in the slot before, but there seems to have been some drivers still in the directory that the program found and removed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by belinda

- afaik agp support is broken in ati's cat 7.10, so choose "agp" when installing the omega drivers v3.8.421 (so omega's modified cat 7.7 with agp support is installed instead)

This is correct and I was using the Omega drivers based upon 7.10 (the ones you name) before I posted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by belinda

- download and install directx v9.0c nov2007

Was also using before I posted. Grabbed the redistributable and forced a reinstall over the old files.

Quote:

Originally Posted by belinda

now check dxdiag tests again and report your results.

Ok. I have ran a few programs to try and trigger the D3D and DD bugs that I was seeing. Part of this is to find that I at least get to the load screen on Dark Messiah nowadays (before it was a black screen followed by CTD). After all the apps started and all that it seems that the D3D and DD are passing their tests fine, but it might be too early to tell also. I will probably be back if I have more problems.

Thanks for the advice.
~F~

EDIT: Well. After playing Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow a while I tried to start another game and it crashed right away. Did a DXDIAG check and got the following errors.

DirectDraw test results: Failure at step 17 (SetDisplayMode to 640x480x16): HRESULT = 0x80004001 (Not implemented)
Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 39 (SetDisplayMode to 640x480x16): HRESULT = 0x80004001 (Not implemented)
Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device): HRESULT = 0x88760827 (error code)
Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device): HRESULT = 0x8876086c (error code)

Seems the error has not been cleared up. So far my impression of ATI is not good. Then again, I have always been picky since back when I had my 3dfx cards.

Well, thanks for trying to help.
~F~

belinda · Nov 9, 2007, 12:21 AM

hi farinhir,

does not sound very promising. but it seems like the card itself is not broken, as you played some splinter cell 2. which was possible after some software changes (drivercleaner, ati drivers reinstall , directx reinstall - whatever) so maybe your existing windows installation is somehow screwed.

if you have some free hdd space left and still working on this problem i would suggest:
- make a new partition (e.g. with partition magic or a bootable linux cd or however)
- install windows xp to that partition (parallel installation to your existing windows)
- install at least service pack 2 (if not already slipstreamed into your windows cd)
- install ati driver (omega or regular, just make sure the version is able to deal with agp cards)
- install latest directx
- test dxdiag and your favourite games

its the least effort method to check if this particular gfx card is working correctly at all. if it works you know for sure there is something fucked up with your existing windows installation. if its not working then there is something broken or strange incompatibilities happening in your particular system. then you can safely delete the new test partition and use your old windows installation. don't forget to use fixboot and fixmbr in a repair console to get rid of the bootloader.

good luck
belinda

farinhir · Nov 26, 2007, 08:14 PM

No worries anymore. I have been able to get 7.7 up and running. Somehow, my system did not like omega's 7.10 even. The card is running now, albeit on 7.7 rather than 7.11 <shakes fists at AMD/ATI and screams inaudibly>. I am upset that I would probably have to put my 6600GT back up just to play my copy of Crysis. I am not impressed with ATI at all (this is probably the only card I will get from them because of their inability to solve this AGP issue). I suppose that I have been spoiled by decent driver support. My 1st card was a 3Dfx Voodoo 3 3000 with a whopping 16MB of RAM. After that I upgraded to an nVidia 4200 Ti with 128MB RAM. Followed by my 6600GT. I never had trouble with drivers until I changed to my current ATI card. Not happy.

Oh well. We will see if the Cat devs can stop sniffing glue long enough to fix this (what else could they be doing).

Thanks Belinda and everyone else that responded to me cry for help.
~F~

a4nic8er · Nov 26, 2007, 09:00 PM

Saphire X1950 Pro 512MB AGP

I tried the Catalyst 7.09 and 7.10 drivers but computer would randomly shut off in midle of games. Went back to 7.08 drivers and had to put up with very low frame rates. Yesterday installed Catalyst 7.11 (driver only) and it seems to be sorted.

farinhir · Nov 27, 2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a4nic8er

Saphire X1950 Pro 512MB AGP

I tried the Catalyst 7.09 and 7.10 drivers but computer would randomly shut off in midle of games. Went back to 7.08 drivers and had to put up with very low frame rates. Yesterday installed Catalyst 7.11 (driver only) and it seems to be sorted.

Interesting, but not the problem that a lot of us are having with the Cat drivers. Seems that the common problem is with the driver's use of direct3d. If you want to be sure that your drivers are using D3D correctly, goto "start > run" and type "dxdiag" without quotes. Then goto the display tab and run the D3D tests. If they work for you then you are one of the lucky ones.

The D3D problem will not affect OGL games. So if you are playing games that are only OGL then you will probably not notice said problem (which is well documented on AMDs official driver forums). Hope they fix this soon.

Cheers
~F~

olirc · Dec 13, 2007, 04:58 AM

No go here with Omegas version based on 7.10 on a Sapphire 512Mb 1950 Pro AGP but his version based on 7.9 works just fine her. Have tried to replace ati3duag.dll in the setup for 7.10 Omega driver to the 7.9 version and then install it but still BSOD after restart.

Think i'll wait for his 7.11 version to see if it's sorted out?

Oct 24, 2007, 05:23 PM	#31
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Oct 25, 2007, 08:36 AM	#33
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Oct 30, 2007, 10:09 PM	#40
Volcom929 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Hmmm Catalyst 7.10 work fine for me, have been playng Crysis demo, HL2 Ep 2, WoW, FEAR, and other games fine. I installed the 7.10's with a clean wipe of the old drivers too. This PC is 3+ years old minus the X1950 and still does pretty damn good for what I use it for. __________________ AMD FX-53 w/ XP-120 & Panasonic 120mm Panaflow fan Asus A8V Deluxe Rev 1.02 BIOS 1009 ATI Radeon X1950 Pro AGP 2 GB Corsair XMS PC3200XL 2-3-3-6 Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro 2*WD 10,000 RPM Raptor Hd's Raid 0 120GB Seagate 7,200 SATA LiteOn 8x dvd +/- RW LiteOn 52X CD-RW LiteOn 16X DVD-ROM PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe

Oct 25, 2007, 09:11 PM	Thread Starter #35
JohnDoe47 HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 319 Rep Power: 0	There is no doubt about the fact that AMD are loosing this race in graphic cards. Yes AMD will keep bringing out new cards to compete but when it comes to performance NVIDIA are by far the leaders. NVIDIA are on the verge of mass producing 9800GTX's whilst AMD are starting to tweak their 2900Series. Believe it or not I'm an AMD fan boy and always will be but if you want to take a giant step into the future of graphics then I'm sad to say NVIDIA is your answer. Why 'Matrox' couldn't stay in the game I don't have a clue. I remember at one point when I upgraded from my Asus A9600XT/TVD to an Nvidia GeForce 6600GT and NVIDIA never released ANY drivers for a 6 month period !!! Now look at NVIDIA, new drivers nearly every week ! AMD may have there dodgy driver release every so often but at least they have a new driver every month. And as for my near approaching transition to PCI-E...what is the point? I may as well wait for PCI-E 2.0 as thats just starting to come around. AGP is still the clear choice for me as companies such as Intel can't decide what the hell they want to do (I will release a new CPU every week), PC's become outdated every 6 months. As for me I'm 3.5 years out of date. And to finish off my thread title (Catalyst 7.10 with X1950 AGP support); the answer is yes.

Oct 29, 2007, 07:01 PM	#39
nasman DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	i thought i'd share my experience - recently purchased a sapphire x1950pro 512mb agp card and only installed the 7.10 drivers (with ati tray tools and not ccc) which seemed to be working fine with games like pes6 and the recent unreal/lostplanet/enemyterritory demos, although i did notice small graphical glitches (white spotting) from time to time. then i installed the crysis demo yesterday and saw that lots of problems with polygons intersecting each other and occlusion type stuff not working properly. i installed the 7.7 driver over the 7.10's and crysis displays absolutely fine without glitches and with fps in the 30's in low-medium type settings (p4 3ghz, 2gb ram). i think those people who say the 7.10 works are probably not aware of driver problems depending on what games they are playing. anyhoo, hope that helps a little.

Oct 30, 2007, 10:38 PM	#41
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 0	You where one of the lucky ones.. when I tried official Cat 7.10's, they borked my rig. Black desktop at boot everytime. Thank god for Omega and his modified set. Thanks to him I can use my video card. __________________

Nov 8, 2007, 02:57 AM	#42
farinhir DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Hmm. Even trying to use the omega drivers (7.10) I am having trouble. I am no longer able to play Dark Messiah of M&M since I changed over to the ATI x1950pro 512MB AGP card (crashes at gamestart without a message). This is regardless of what driver I am using I have found. With the Omega Drivers I am able to play D3D games for a bit, but once I log out of one I am unable to start another one without resetting the system. DXDiag error messages for D3D are as follows: Direct3D 7 test results: Failure at step 39 (SetDisplayMode to 640x480x16): HRESULT = 0x80004001 (Not implemented) Direct3D 8 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device): HRESULT = 0x88760827 (error code) Direct3D 9 test results: Failure at step 8 (Creating 3D Device): HRESULT = 0x8876086c (error code) Another problem was the DD did not work properly at this point. Response from DXDIAG was: DirectDraw test results: Failure at step 17 (SetDisplayMode to 640x480x16): HRESULT = 0x80004001 (Not implemented) System specs are as follows: AMD Athlon 2600+ Barton ATI x1950 pro 512MB AGP 2048MB RAM ABIT AN7 Mobo HDD and DVD are unimportant IMO If anyone wants to help me figure this out I would appreciate it much. I was on nVidia before this upgrade and so far I am not happy with ATI. I expected the drivers to work when I bought this card. I have also saved a copy of the dxdiag report if it can help. ~F~

Nov 8, 2007, 03:20 AM	#43
Pluvious Elisha = hottie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA CA. SF Bay Area Posts: 1,318 Rep Power: 0	First thing I would do is download the latest DirectX and re-install it over your existing install. __________________

Nov 8, 2007, 04:12 AM	#44
belinda DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: beautiful bavaria Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	hi farinhir, - have you deinstalled the nvidia drivers completely before switching to the new x1950? - always a good idea: boot to safemode, run driver cleaner to get rid of nvidia and/or ati graphic driver leftovers before installing any new drivers - afaik agp support is broken in ati's cat 7.10, so choose "agp" when installing the omega drivers v3.8.421 (so omega's modified cat 7.7 with agp support is installed instead) - download and install directx v9.0c nov2007 now check dxdiag tests again and report your results. good luck belinda

Nov 9, 2007, 12:21 AM	#46
belinda DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: beautiful bavaria Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	hi farinhir, does not sound very promising. but it seems like the card itself is not broken, as you played some splinter cell 2. which was possible after some software changes (drivercleaner, ati drivers reinstall , directx reinstall - whatever) so maybe your existing windows installation is somehow screwed. if you have some free hdd space left and still working on this problem i would suggest: - make a new partition (e.g. with partition magic or a bootable linux cd or however) - install windows xp to that partition (parallel installation to your existing windows) - install at least service pack 2 (if not already slipstreamed into your windows cd) - install ati driver (omega or regular, just make sure the version is able to deal with agp cards) - install latest directx - test dxdiag and your favourite games its the least effort method to check if this particular gfx card is working correctly at all. if it works you know for sure there is something fucked up with your existing windows installation. if its not working then there is something broken or strange incompatibilities happening in your particular system. then you can safely delete the new test partition and use your old windows installation. don't forget to use fixboot and fixmbr in a repair console to get rid of the bootloader. good luck belinda

Nov 26, 2007, 08:14 PM	#47
farinhir DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	No worries anymore. I have been able to get 7.7 up and running. Somehow, my system did not like omega's 7.10 even. The card is running now, albeit on 7.7 rather than 7.11 <shakes fists at AMD/ATI and screams inaudibly>. I am upset that I would probably have to put my 6600GT back up just to play my copy of Crysis. I am not impressed with ATI at all (this is probably the only card I will get from them because of their inability to solve this AGP issue). I suppose that I have been spoiled by decent driver support. My 1st card was a 3Dfx Voodoo 3 3000 with a whopping 16MB of RAM. After that I upgraded to an nVidia 4200 Ti with 128MB RAM. Followed by my 6600GT. I never had trouble with drivers until I changed to my current ATI card. Not happy. Oh well. We will see if the Cat devs can stop sniffing glue long enough to fix this (what else could they be doing). Thanks Belinda and everyone else that responded to me cry for help. ~F~ __________________

Nov 26, 2007, 09:00 PM	#48
a4nic8er DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Saphire X1950 Pro 512MB AGP I tried the Catalyst 7.09 and 7.10 drivers but computer would randomly shut off in midle of games. Went back to 7.08 drivers and had to put up with very low frame rates. Yesterday installed Catalyst 7.11 (driver only) and it seems to be sorted.

Dec 13, 2007, 04:58 AM	#50
olirc DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	No go here with Omegas version based on 7.10 on a Sapphire 512Mb 1950 Pro AGP but his version based on 7.9 works just fine her. Have tried to replace ati3duag.dll in the setup for 7.10 Omega driver to the 7.9 version and then install it but still BSOD after restart. Think i'll wait for his 7.11 version to see if it's sorted out? __________________ Mobo - AK35GTR V2.2 (BIOS ak35s20g) Memory - Samsung 2700 CAS 2.5 set @2 512Mb On-Board I/O - Winbond 83697HF Disk Drives - WDC 800JB X 2 connected as Master and Slave, Maxtor 53073H6, Quantum Fireball Plus Display Adapter - Crucial Radeon 9700 PRO 128MB DDR (Omega 2.4.43 aperturesize 128Mb VIA 4.47 DX8.1) DVD/CD - Philips PCRW804, Samsung DVD-ROM SD-6125 Monitor - ADI Microscan 5 GT NIC - 3C905C-TX Driver 4.31.0.0 Sound - CMI8738 Driver 5.12.1.644 Raid Controller - Highpoint 372 BIOS 2.34 Driver 2.34 Block Size=32Kb Installed OS and Patches: WinXp Pro Sp-1 NTFS Vlatency 020_beta17 sample_020b15.reg 20b15_max_raid.reg