There No love for performance for x series users?

Robert McClelland · Nov 28, 2007, 07:37 PM

Ya I'm really getting dissapointed with my x700 pro card there no love for performance for updated drivers anymore for my card. It seams there no respect either for x users for FPS at all. Right now I don't have money buy new card yet. I'm really really thinking switching to nvidia side when I buy my next computer. Unless there big surprise from ATI for all the love for xseries users that means x600 and up. Does anyone agree to my statement?

kn00tcn · Nov 28, 2007, 10:55 PM

dont agree at all, 7.10 fixed my stutters in ETQW from 6.10

this series is almost 4yrs old, the performance is done

you just have a lower high end card & it's showing its age.. what troubles do you have anyway? (& what resolution)

Judas · Nov 29, 2007, 12:40 AM

i've since moved all the x700pro's into the "for vista areo and basic office use.. with the occasional light gaming"

soon as a generation made 2nd gen, the drivers tend to have hit thier limits... you may occasionally see the odd "bump" once in awhile.... but typically... my x1900's grew old and dated and lacked any improvements that are were major enless there was indeed a major bug (but usually address all series) the minute the HD series launched

Robert McClelland · Nov 29, 2007, 03:55 AM

Well on good ati driver month I can push 4100 but now it's like 4050 on avg lol in 3dmark03. Ya true my card is 4 years old. But it's like I spend 200 bucks on it back then hard beleave I spent 1700 bucks on my gateway system back 2003 ouch lol.

Dyre Straits · Nov 29, 2007, 04:51 AM

Yes, you just have to realize that the PC ages pretty fast these days. Most PCs are actually already out of date when they reach the retail shelves.

Same goes for video cards.

Matth · Nov 29, 2007, 04:17 PM

For the pre-X1K cards, the last major developments were dual core tweaks (5.13, was that?) and the smoothing out of CCC with the 7.x series.

The only other thing, if it EVER gets fixed, it would be nice to be able to try Java with the finely tuned OpenGL renderer, without the colours screwing up.

(Java flag -Dsun.java2d.opengl=True )

JohnDoe47 · Nov 29, 2007, 06:01 PM

I'm sorry but ATI graphic cards are for image quality purposes only, if you want performance set the 'Catalyst AI' option to 'Advanced' for an improved frame rate. With this option set to advance you would technically be running NVIDIA drivers as they drop the image quality to gain better performance.

Better frame rate think NVIDIA
Better image quality think ATI

Looking over the Catalyst 7.10 release notes its not difficult for ATI to snap a finger and drop all image quality for a better frame rate. But in most cases they work on all side of things...reliability being the most important.

I don't know what CPU your running but I remember when I had my X800GTO and was getting 20FPS on Far Cry on max details, I upgraded my 2.4GHz P4 to a 3GHz P4 and I saw an improvement on 10FPS in ALL games. You may be bottlenecking but its an X700 so I very much doubt this is the case.

Dyre Straits · Dec 1, 2007, 10:32 AM

You could also just select All 3D options and select Performance as the default.

kn00tcn · Dec 2, 2007, 05:35 AM

oh right the cpu.. 2.4ghz p4 is horrible! i can guarantee a cpu bottleneck, for example, UT3 (demo) on the shangrila map where the shockrifle is, looking back at the rest of the map, you'd get about 10-20fps regardless of image quality settings/rez (while keeping models/world detail to max)

& forget 3dmark, just make sure the games arent horribly falling apart

cause_of_chaos · Dec 3, 2007, 09:13 AM

Hey, I have an X700 now (haven't upgraded in AGES), but I am happy with it's performance. Upgrading after Christmas, because I have a new HD TV, and can only play UT3 with low settings (2 for Textures, 1 for World Detail

).

Also, it looks like your PC is even more dated than mine

.

With overclocking, I was able to add 8-10 FPS to a lot of games, and made UT2004 playable for me. But, it's time has come and gone...

Be thankfull you haven't had problems with it, like others on this Forum!!!

cause_of_chaos

Liqourice · Dec 4, 2007, 02:54 AM

I was impressed with the extra performance I got with OpenGL games for my X850XT when Cat 7.8-Cat 7.9 was released. When it comes to DX games I haven't seen much improvement the last year so I'm pretty confident that there won't be any more either.

There's always a limit, you cant squeeze more juice out than the fruit has in it. Maybe it's possible to get a bit more out in OpenGL, ATI drivers hasn't been as good with OGL as nvidia has, but I really don't see much of it coming. With DX I'm sure there isn't any more to get with our old cards.. there's no point in demanding something that's just not possible.

One thing I can tell you though. Getting a faster CPU will probably give you some extra performance. My X850 got a completely new life when I went from an Athlon XP 3200+ to an Athlon 64 X2 5200+, my FPS almost doubled in some games.

Nov 28, 2007, 07:37 PM	#1
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,668 Rep Power: 196 System Specs	There No love for performance for x series users? Ya I'm really getting dissapointed with my x700 pro card there no love for performance for updated drivers anymore for my card. It seams there no respect either for x users for FPS at all. Right now I don't have money buy new card yet. I'm really really thinking switching to nvidia side when I buy my next computer. Unless there big surprise from ATI for all the love for xseries users that means x600 and up. Does anyone agree to my statement? __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://www.speedtest.net/result/1949536385.png correct the correct one now Last edited by Robert McClelland; Nov 29, 2007 at 03:54 AM.

Nov 28, 2007, 10:55 PM	#2
kn00tcn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 649 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	dont agree at all, 7.10 fixed my stutters in ETQW from 6.10 this series is almost 4yrs old, the performance is done you just have a lower high end card & it's showing its age.. what troubles do you have anyway? (& what resolution) __________________ http://www.kn00tcn.net/site/ati-catalyst-profiles/ http://www.kn00tcn.net/FPSLimiter.rar

Nov 29, 2007, 03:55 AM	Thread Starter #4
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,668 Rep Power: 196 System Specs	Well on good ati driver month I can push 4100 but now it's like 4050 on avg lol in 3dmark03. Ya true my card is 4 years old. But it's like I spend 200 bucks on it back then hard beleave I spent 1700 bucks on my gateway system back 2003 ouch lol. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://www.speedtest.net/result/1949536385.png correct the correct one now

Nov 29, 2007, 04:17 PM	#6
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	For the pre-X1K cards, the last major developments were dual core tweaks (5.13, was that?) and the smoothing out of CCC with the 7.x series. The only other thing, if it EVER gets fixed, it would be nice to be able to try Java with the finely tuned OpenGL renderer, without the colours screwing up. (Java flag -Dsun.java2d.opengl=True ) __________________ Mary had a little lamb, Her father shot it dead Now Mary takes her lamb to school, Between two crusts of bread

Dec 2, 2007, 05:35 AM	#9
kn00tcn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 649 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	oh right the cpu.. 2.4ghz p4 is horrible! i can guarantee a cpu bottleneck, for example, UT3 (demo) on the shangrila map where the shockrifle is, looking back at the rest of the map, you'd get about 10-20fps regardless of image quality settings/rez (while keeping models/world detail to max) & forget 3dmark, just make sure the games arent horribly falling apart __________________ http://www.kn00tcn.net/site/ati-catalyst-profiles/ http://www.kn00tcn.net/FPSLimiter.rar

Nov 29, 2007, 06:01 PM	#7
JohnDoe47 HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 319 Rep Power: 0	I'm sorry but ATI graphic cards are for image quality purposes only, if you want performance set the 'Catalyst AI' option to 'Advanced' for an improved frame rate. With this option set to advance you would technically be running NVIDIA drivers as they drop the image quality to gain better performance. Better frame rate think NVIDIA Better image quality think ATI Looking over the Catalyst 7.10 release notes its not difficult for ATI to snap a finger and drop all image quality for a better frame rate. But in most cases they work on all side of things...reliability being the most important. I don't know what CPU your running but I remember when I had my X800GTO and was getting 20FPS on Far Cry on max details, I upgraded my 2.4GHz P4 to a 3GHz P4 and I saw an improvement on 10FPS in ALL games. You may be bottlenecking but its an X700 so I very much doubt this is the case.

Dec 3, 2007, 09:13 AM	#10
cause_of_chaos SEGA Europe Limited Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 133 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Hey, I have an X700 now (haven't upgraded in AGES), but I am happy with it's performance. Upgrading after Christmas, because I have a new HD TV, and can only play UT3 with low settings (2 for Textures, 1 for World Detail ). Also, it looks like your PC is even more dated than mine . With overclocking, I was able to add 8-10 FPS to a lot of games, and made UT2004 playable for me. But, it's time has come and gone... Be thankfull you haven't had problems with it, like others on this Forum!!! cause_of_chaos __________________ AMD Phenom II 965 Black Edition @ 3.4Ghz 4Gb Crucial Ballistix PC2 8500 ~ 800 FSB {Timings 4-4-4-12} Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe CrossfireX Mobo ~ 2002 Bios MSI ATI RX3870 512Mb PCI-e 2.0 Graphics card Creative Audigy2 ZS Platinum Sound card (SB0350 10k2 [e800])

Dec 4, 2007, 02:54 AM	#11
Liqourice HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,711 Rep Power: 98 System Specs	I was impressed with the extra performance I got with OpenGL games for my X850XT when Cat 7.8-Cat 7.9 was released. When it comes to DX games I haven't seen much improvement the last year so I'm pretty confident that there won't be any more either. There's always a limit, you cant squeeze more juice out than the fruit has in it. Maybe it's possible to get a bit more out in OpenGL, ATI drivers hasn't been as good with OGL as nvidia has, but I really don't see much of it coming. With DX I'm sure there isn't any more to get with our old cards.. there's no point in demanding something that's just not possible. One thing I can tell you though. Getting a faster CPU will probably give you some extra performance. My X850 got a completely new life when I went from an Athlon XP 3200+ to an Athlon 64 X2 5200+, my FPS almost doubled in some games.