Catalyst 7.12 Drivers for XP: Read and Discuss Here

westsidebud · Dec 23, 2007, 07:22 AM

thx for reporting back guys
i too was wondering about the agp issues

just wish i had a higher paying job lol
(saving money for the gforce to use with the mobo i already bought)

this is a sad situation cause as *many people think,
if ati keeps doin with they do they will go out of business and
leave a monopoly for nvidia in the gpu market (causing higher prices)
so be it.. they dont deserve to be a player anymore
and they will not get any more money from me and as the guy above
said i will and already have been advising everyone to go nvidia for while now.

Rayder · Dec 23, 2007, 05:02 PM

I voted "There's hope after all".

These are the first drivers I've tried since the 7.7's that actually work with my x1600 AGP. Yay.

I did bump up the AGP aperture to 256....maybe that helped make them work.

All I know is that any drivers from 7.8 to 7.11 were a no-go before. I'd get that 4-bit color deal after the reboot. Geez did that look nasty.

westsidebud · Dec 23, 2007, 05:09 PM

did you try dxdiag or any d3d app yet ?

Rayder · Dec 23, 2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

did you try dxdiag or any d3d app yet ?

DXdiag came up all good. I ran the tests, they all passed.

I just beat Matrix: Path of Neo using the 7.12 drivers.....Flatout 2 plays fine....

I just installed them over top of the 7.7's (the last set that worked previously) rather than my normal method of uninstalling the old drivers first.

Dyre Straits · Dec 23, 2007, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayder

DXdiag came up all good. I ran the tests, they all passed.

I just beat Matrix: Path of Neo using the 7.12 drivers.....Flatout 2 plays fine....

I just installed them over top of the 7.7's (the last set that worked previously) rather than my normal method of uninstalling the old drivers first.

Which is actually the officially supported method of updating drivers. I rarely ever uninstall first. Been using ATI cards for over a dozen years now, too. It seems the only times I've run into irritating problems is when I DID uninstall first.

crack1up · Dec 25, 2007, 08:31 PM

No support for my ATI Raedon x1600 pro 512 AGP, I just don't get how they cannot include their own card! I reverted back to the 6.11. What did AMD do? Fire everyone at ATI who provided driver updates?

kn00tcn · Dec 25, 2007, 11:43 PM

it's odd that people say they're ditching ATI from these old agp issues

i'd only ditch a brand when it's current gen (like 3870 vs 8800gt), why would i care if my x800 or 9800 gets buggy drivers.. there's nothing much to squeeze (other than gl fixes of 7.10)

Fr4nk3nst41n · Dec 26, 2007, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kn00tcn

it's odd that people say they're ditching ATI from these old agp issues

i'd only ditch a brand when it's current gen (like 3870 vs 8800gt), why would i care if my x800 or 9800 gets buggy drivers.. there's nothing much to squeeze (other than gl fixes of 7.10)

you got it wrong bud. we are NOT talking about problems on old AGP cards.

but problems on NEW agp cards x1950 and HD 2x00 cards.(wich is ticking everybody off

Redstone · Dec 26, 2007, 01:07 AM

Seems to be hit or miss with agp cards. I have been running 7.10 just fine for a while now. Sapphire x1950 pro. no overclock. Will probably stick with that driver until the pci upgrade next spring.

westsidebud · Dec 26, 2007, 06:00 AM

i did sum checking on what another forum guy said..
the problem is the file ati3duag.dll
the one from Cat 7.7 works fine for me and all others up to 7.12
crash on starting anything that uses directx.
i tested by simply swapping the 7.7 ver .dll in the 7.12 installer
and all is still fine..

i do think its kinda crappy that i see people trashing ATI on the net
and praising omega for credit for fixing the agp issue.
i have googled the problem and i see people saying they donated him money
simply because of this so called fix im not even sure he figured out in the first place.
he should be making people aware of the facts in his installer somehow

i find it hard to believe that ati cant get this figured out and fixed
what the hell is the proiblem here ? anyone have an answer from ati ?
Terry Makedon ? he still work there ? seriously what gives ?????

get it fixed already !

Davoren · Dec 26, 2007, 11:29 PM

Sadly I'll have to give this one a 1 rating as well. It has the same issue as every driver after 7.7 on my x1650 Pro Agp card, what with the 3d applications crashing and all that. Oh well *sigh*

Anyway, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everybody ^_^

regards
Davoren

belinda · Dec 28, 2007, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

i do think its kinda crappy that i see people trashing ATI on the net
and praising omega for credit for fixing the agp issue.
i have googled the problem and i see people saying they donated him money
simply because of this so called fix im not even sure he figured out in the first place.
he should be making people aware of the facts in his installer somehow

he stated it clearly in the official omega drivers 3.8.421 (cat 7.10) thread here.

Max59 · Dec 28, 2007, 09:51 AM

Have it installed on XP SP3 - all fine, only flaw so far it does not reset gamma once I exit Crysis and return to the desktop. My desktop gamma is .75

Not sure it is the driver or SP3 - all I know is it was fine with 7.11 (SP2)

westsidebud · Dec 29, 2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belinda

he stated it clearly in the official omega drivers 3.8.421 (cat 7.10) thread here.

his driver installer is passed around the net at many sites..
many people dont come here at all obviously so all they know is
that omega's version installs and works and they think he fixed
what ati hasnt been able to.. which we know that omega just put an old file
in the installer, so that will clearly lead people to believe he fixed something
when he didnt.. which is why some people are admitting to donating him money
for a false fix i bet someone else found.

how many omega driver users will know ?
do they know that they simply installed an old driver ?
probably not..

but dont get me wrong its cool what he did (many people obviously need his work)
and i will say Thank You and be quiet now

Stop It · Dec 30, 2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

his driver installer is passed around the net at many sites..
many people dont come here at all obviously so all they know is
that omega's version installs and works and they think he fixed
what ati hasnt been able to.. which we know that omega just put an old file
in the installer, so that will clearly lead people to believe he fixed something
when he didnt.. which is why some people are admitting to donating him money
for a false fix i bet someone else found.

how many omega driver users will know ?
do they know that they simply installed an old driver ?
probably not..

but dont get me wrong its cool what he did (many people obviously need his work)
and i will say Thank You and be quiet now

I don't like your tone, first of all, if you're going about accusing one of the most dedicated members of DH of cheating the community you are severely misguided, and totally out of line. Second of all, if you think that he "stole" the idea of using an older file to help AGP users with his OmegaDriver set I hope you have proof, if not, I kindly ask you to shut up, as defamation is now what this place needs, at all.

Dyre Straits · Dec 30, 2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

his driver installer is passed around the net at many sites..
many people dont come here at all obviously so all they know is
that omega's version installs and works and they think he fixed
what ati hasnt been able to.. which we know that omega just put an old file
in the installer, so that will clearly lead people to believe he fixed something
when he didnt.. which is why some people are admitting to donating him money
for a false fix i bet someone else found.

how many omega driver users will know ?
do they know that they simply installed an old driver ?
probably not..

but dont get me wrong its cool what he did (many people obviously need his work)
and i will say Thank You and be quiet now

First of all, Omegadriver has been tweaking ATI drivers for many years now. He's quite capable of checking out and testing certain configurations to see which combination works best all around.

Secondly, he works quite closely with the official ATI guys. So, this isn't something he's doing 'covertly' nor illegally.

Thirdly, he does plainly state in the driver installation README that this is a temporary fix. If anyone fails to read the installation readme, it's their own fault.

Finally, you're making a lot of assumptions and accusations upon which you have nothing whatsoever to base them on.

You do have every right to express your opinion of the drivers but you do need to consider carefully the line you crossed when you made the accusation that Omegadriver likely didn't even come upon this 'fix' himself. He IS quite knowledgable about these things.

Fr4nk3nst41n · Dec 30, 2007, 04:49 PM

westsidebud, be more carefull of what you say. becouse accused omega of doing is SLANDER.

i wold apologise if i were you.

kn00tcn · Jan 2, 2008, 03:17 AM

so... any gl improvements? i'm thinking of trying the omega 7.12 since i just noticed my ATT version doesnt match 7.10's ATT even though i've uninstalled several times..

westsidebud · Jan 2, 2008, 03:39 AM

i expected as much..
i stand by what i said.

the reality is people are donating him money under false pretenses ..explain that fanboys ?
ya cant lol

im just the onkly one with balls to say anything

do as ya all want i couldnt care less, besides i did try to sugar coat my posts as bets i could
and yet i get defensive fanboy bs rammed down my throat lol
whatever.. #CARE

OldBuzzard · Jan 2, 2008, 01:50 PM

westsidebud,

It's never been a secret the the Omega's are made by picking and choosing different files from different driver releases. It's hardly "false pretenses".

My old pappy once told me, "It's better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". You should follow that advice.

And I'm hardly a "fanboi" since I never use them. Tried them once way back when Ihad my 9500 Pro, and had problems with mouse pointer icons on a multi monitor system, and haven't used them since.

Dyre Straits · Jan 2, 2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

i expected as much..
i stand by what i said.

the reality is people are donating him money under false pretenses ..explain that fanboys ?
ya cant lol

im just the onkly one with balls to say anything

do as ya all want i couldnt care less, besides i did try to sugar coat my posts as bets i could
and yet i get defensive fanboy bs rammed down my throat lol
whatever.. #CARE

Check your PMs. Your accusations and statements are totally unwarranted and baseless.

Since you're totally ignorant of the development and work that goes into the Omegadrivers, you need to back off and remain silent. Otherwise, you'll continue to look the fool.

Be sure to note that this response is coming from one of DH's Supermods.

NOTE: Any further comments that are not ON TOPIC will be deleted. The discussion here is about the OFFICIAL DRIVERS.

Liqourice · Jan 2, 2008, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max59

Have it installed on XP SP3 - all fine, only flaw so far it does not reset gamma once I exit Crysis and return to the desktop. My desktop gamma is .75

Not sure it is the driver or SP3 - all I know is it was fine with 7.11 (SP2)

Isn't the XP SP3 only a beta release? The final SP3 hasn't been released as far as I know.

Ecology · Jan 2, 2008, 06:29 PM

it's a beta now

belinda · Jan 4, 2008, 03:25 PM

no direct3d support with ati's cat 7.12 on my his x1950 pro agp. happy that omega compiled another package with cat 7.7 agp fallback.

sorry for giong offtopic again dyre, but this should be noticed by any worried users:

Quote:

Originally Posted by westsidebud

his driver installer is passed around the net at many sites..
many people dont come here at all obviously so all they know is
that omega's version installs and works and they think he fixed
what ati hasnt been able to.. which we know that omega just put an old file
in the installer, so that will clearly lead people to believe he fixed something
when he didnt.. which is why some people are admitting to donating him money
for a false fix i bet someone else found.

i'm no fanboy, but have you ever installed omega's driver attentively? since many versions you will get this message while installing them:

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegadriver_installer

also, you may be prompted to "overwrite" newer files, always say YES, sometimes i use old files to fix problems in newer drivers, so this is perfectly normal.

and it's always a good idea for someone who installs software from the internet (especially when it's unofficial and unsupported by the hardware vendor) to take the time to actually read the manual, readme and check the appropriate forums BEFORE clicking setup.exe and noticing any installer warnings WHILE doing so

MickBz · Jan 8, 2008, 12:28 PM

My HiS ICEQ3 X1950XT AGP - I couldn't get ATI's own 7.12's to work with
crysis, but soon as I updated drivers with Omega's all is OK.

Why is is ATI can't!!! but Omega can??????

H.A.N.D.

kn00tcn · Jan 9, 2008, 02:53 AM

omega cant either, it just uses an older d3d dll

Dec 23, 2007, 07:22 AM	#31
westsidebud DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	thx for reporting back guys i too was wondering about the agp issues just wish i had a higher paying job lol (saving money for the gforce to use with the mobo i already bought) this is a sad situation cause as *many people think, if ati keeps doin with they do they will go out of business and leave a monopoly for nvidia in the gpu market (causing higher prices) so be it.. they dont deserve to be a player anymore and they will not get any more money from me and as the guy above said i will and already have been advising everyone to go nvidia for while now. __________________ Megan and Max are tasty Monkeys!

Dec 23, 2007, 05:09 PM	#33
westsidebud DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	did you try dxdiag or any d3d app yet ? __________________ Megan and Max are tasty Monkeys!

Dec 25, 2007, 11:43 PM	#37
kn00tcn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 649 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	it's odd that people say they're ditching ATI from these old agp issues i'd only ditch a brand when it's current gen (like 3870 vs 8800gt), why would i care if my x800 or 9800 gets buggy drivers.. there's nothing much to squeeze (other than gl fixes of 7.10) __________________ http://www.kn00tcn.net/site/ati-catalyst-profiles/ http://www.kn00tcn.net/FPSLimiter.rar

Dec 26, 2007, 01:07 AM	#39
Redstone CEO Vandelay Industries Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Left Coast Posts: 176 Rep Power: 0	Seems to be hit or miss with agp cards. I have been running 7.10 just fine for a while now. Sapphire x1950 pro. no overclock. Will probably stick with that driver until the pci upgrade next spring. __________________ [COLOR=#66ccff]Intel [/COLOR][COLOR=sienna]PIV - 3.0e @ [COLOR=darkorange]3.39[/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=yellowgreen][COLOR=sienna]Cooled by[/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=#66ccff]SWIftech [/COLOR][COLOR=sienna]MCX4000[/COLOR] [COLOR=#66ccff]Asus[/COLOR][COLOR=#ffcc99] [COLOR=sienna]P4P800 SE[/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=sienna]Powered by[/COLOR][COLOR=#66ccff] Antec [/COLOR][COLOR=sienna]TruePower 430[/COLOR] [COLOR=#66ccff]Kingston [/COLOR][COLOR=yellowgreen][COLOR=sienna]Hyperx 4x512MB - PC3200 - 2.5-3-3-8 @ 1:1 timings [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#66ccff]ATI [/COLOR][COLOR=#ffcc99][COLOR=sienna]Radeon X1950 Pro AGP - Omega Drivers 3.8.421 (Cat 7.10) displayed on a [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#66ccff]Samsung[/COLOR][COLOR=#ffcc99] [COLOR=sienna]930B LCD[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#66ccff]Creative [/COLOR][COLOR=sienna]Sound Blaster Audigy 4[/COLOR] [COLOR=#66ccff]Win[/COLOR][COLOR=#ffcc99][COLOR=sienna]XP Home stored on a[/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=#66ccff]Western Digital[/COLOR][COLOR=#ffcc99] [COLOR=sienna]1200GB Sata with a[/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=#66ccff]Seagate[/COLOR] [COLOR=sienna]10GB Barracuda IV Slave[/COLOR]

Dec 26, 2007, 06:00 AM	#40
westsidebud DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	i did sum checking on what another forum guy said.. the problem is the file ati3duag.dll the one from Cat 7.7 works fine for me and all others up to 7.12 crash on starting anything that uses directx. i tested by simply swapping the 7.7 ver .dll in the 7.12 installer and all is still fine.. i do think its kinda crappy that i see people trashing ATI on the net and praising omega for credit for fixing the agp issue. i have googled the problem and i see people saying they donated him money simply because of this so called fix im not even sure he figured out in the first place. he should be making people aware of the facts in his installer somehow i find it hard to believe that ati cant get this figured out and fixed what the hell is the proiblem here ? anyone have an answer from ati ? Terry Makedon ? he still work there ? seriously what gives ????? get it fixed already ! __________________ Megan and Max are tasty Monkeys!

Dec 23, 2007, 05:02 PM	#32
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,160 Rep Power: 71	I voted "There's hope after all". These are the first drivers I've tried since the 7.7's that actually work with my x1600 AGP. Yay. I did bump up the AGP aperture to 256....maybe that helped make them work. All I know is that any drivers from 7.8 to 7.11 were a no-go before. I'd get that 4-bit color deal after the reboot. Geez did that look nasty.

Dec 25, 2007, 08:31 PM	#36
crack1up DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	No support for my ATI Raedon x1600 pro 512 AGP, I just don't get how they cannot include their own card! I reverted back to the 6.11. What did AMD do? Fire everyone at ATI who provided driver updates?

Dec 26, 2007, 11:29 PM	#41
Davoren DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Sadly I'll have to give this one a 1 rating as well. It has the same issue as every driver after 7.7 on my x1650 Pro Agp card, what with the 3d applications crashing and all that. Oh well sigh Anyway, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everybody ^_^ regards Davoren

Dec 28, 2007, 09:51 AM	#43
Max59 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Have it installed on XP SP3 - all fine, only flaw so far it does not reset gamma once I exit Crysis and return to the desktop. My desktop gamma is .75 Not sure it is the driver or SP3 - all I know is it was fine with 7.11 (SP2)

Dec 30, 2007, 04:49 PM	#47
Fr4nk3nst41n DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	westsidebud, be more carefull of what you say. becouse accused omega of doing is SLANDER. i wold apologise if i were you.

Jan 2, 2008, 03:17 AM	#48
kn00tcn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 649 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	so... any gl improvements? i'm thinking of trying the omega 7.12 since i just noticed my ATT version doesnt match 7.10's ATT even though i've uninstalled several times.. __________________ http://www.kn00tcn.net/site/ati-catalyst-profiles/ http://www.kn00tcn.net/FPSLimiter.rar

Jan 2, 2008, 03:39 AM	#49
westsidebud DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	i expected as much.. i stand by what i said. the reality is people are donating him money under false pretenses ..explain that fanboys ? ya cant lol im just the onkly one with balls to say anything do as ya all want i couldnt care less, besides i did try to sugar coat my posts as bets i could and yet i get defensive fanboy bs rammed down my throat lol whatever.. #CARE __________________ Megan and Max are tasty Monkeys!

Jan 2, 2008, 01:50 PM	#50
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 141 System Specs	westsidebud, It's never been a secret the the Omega's are made by picking and choosing different files from different driver releases. It's hardly "false pretenses". My old pappy once told me, "It's better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". You should follow that advice. And I'm hardly a "fanboi" since I never use them. Tried them once way back when Ihad my 9500 Pro, and had problems with mouse pointer icons on a multi monitor system, and haven't used them since. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Jan 2, 2008, 06:29 PM	#53
Ecology DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	it's a beta now __________________ to perennial memory:

Jan 8, 2008, 12:28 PM	#55
MickBz DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	My HiS ICEQ3 X1950XT AGP - I couldn't get ATI's own 7.12's to work with crysis, but soon as I updated drivers with Omega's all is OK. Why is is ATI can't!!! but Omega can?????? H.A.N.D. Last edited by MickBz; Jan 8, 2008 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Typos

Jan 9, 2008, 02:53 AM	#56
kn00tcn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 649 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	omega cant either, it just uses an older d3d dll __________________ http://www.kn00tcn.net/site/ati-catalyst-profiles/ http://www.kn00tcn.net/FPSLimiter.rar