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Old Jan 18, 2008, 02:38 AM   #31
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Any idea what's causing the text rendering problems such as seen at windows bootup at the welcome screen and in various other applications? The problem first reared it's head with the 7.12's and now carried over to the 8.1's. I know it's a driver issue because when I revert back to the 7.11's or earlier it disappears. If it was only a dot in the corner I could live with that. If you want my full system specs I'm more than willing to provide them but I'm seeing the same thing on my other PC which is a totally different configuration, this one using a HD3870 and the other a HD2600XT. The only thing they have in common is both connect via DVI and use a 22" flat panel monitor of different manufacturers.
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Never mind I do see white big white dot upper left on my LCD HDTV screen 19inch widescreen. lol
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Go into the CCC preferences and unselect tray tool, then it`s gone.

Edit... My findings soo far from another thread.

I only installed the "fix". The fix is a complete driver package. (Complete cleaning session before hand)

Results soo far.

Aquamark = 95404
3D 03 = 16894
3D 05 = 10667

Played UT3, no crashes and about the same sort of smoothness, was good before soo can`t really judge it (internal settings required if it runs like a choppy dog).

Results are enhanced by my mobo, Asrock AM2 boost (boosts memory by 12%)

Not bad, not bad at all. I await Omega`s driver`s which have had the hotfix for ages lol
Yup it's gone after I uncheck the system try tools for CCC kinda wierd. I get that on my 19inch widescreen at 1900x400.
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Old Jan 18, 2008, 05:35 AM   #34
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First, i want to thanks ATI for that new version of the catalysts. I begin to see the true potential of my brand new card, and it is a real pleasure after days of troubles. The hotfix is working for me, but is quite unstable. It depends of the game or application i use (thats normal, i know )

I'll just send a report to the catalyst crew, and hope they will take care of it. But, finally, i see reals improvements, so : keep going! I always loved ATI

EDIT : it is done, i reported all issues i found in all wide spread engines (Source, Unreal, Lithtech, ...)

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Hydravision where?

The readme says it is included in the driver. now, where can I enable the semi-opaque windows explorer background?
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Old Jan 18, 2008, 12:34 PM   #36
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Any idea what's causing the text rendering problems such as seen at windows bootup at the welcome screen and in various other applications? The problem first reared it's head with the 7.12's and now carried over to the 8.1's. I know it's a driver issue because when I revert back to the 7.11's or earlier it disappears. If it was only a dot in the corner I could live with that. If you want my full system specs I'm more than willing to provide them but I'm seeing the same thing on my other PC which is a totally different configuration, this one using a HD3870 and the other a HD2600XT. The only thing they have in common is both connect via DVI and use a 22" flat panel monitor of different manufacturers.
What you describe does not appear to happen for most users. And if it did happen that would certainly put the brakes on the release of the driver. But you have the issue on two systems. And it does vanish if you use an older driver. So , I would suspect that there is some software interaction between you systems (as configured) and the driver sets.

So we need some system details (HW) and also software and system configuration details.

Then look at how you have set Windows up with regard to fonts, font size, and other cosmetic stuff in Windows.

It is also a good idea to try disabling applications on you system to see if one of them can be linked to the text issues you describe.

Let us know if you find another clue.

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The issue showed up on my system which had had a fresh install of Windows XP SP2 - where I had only installed 7.12 (with CCC). Then on release of 8.1 I followed the uninstall of 7.12 and install of 8.1 instructions. I'm using an old ProLine 17" LCD (analogue screen) running @ 1280x1024 @ 75Hz... The only other stuff loading into the systen tray is Kaspersky and Creative Volume Control Panel.

My main reason for raising the 'white square' was that I was initially worried that I'd damaged the card as on rebooting my PC, following the initial 8.1 installation, I had shutdown and replaced some cabling....

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:-) Sorry. No, you are not invisible. Yeah we know it is CCC tray thing that causes the dot to manifest. Exiting the tray thingy does make it go away.

What I don't get is why it is such a huge cause for concern. Such as to make people revert to a previous driver. It's a dot a few pixels square. I would not have seen it if I were not specifically looking. I had to move a desktop icon as well :-). Probably why it was missed in the first place. At 640 res it was quite prominent, but still it is no more annoying than all the lovely icons that MS puts all over the place. That's just my opinion and not an official statement.

We will fix it soon. Hopefully, next time out the gate.

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Cool I know what you mean and I don`t see the need to have it open in the taskbar anyways. I personally don`t.
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What you describe does not appear to happen for most users. And if it did happen that would certainly put the brakes on the release of the driver. But you have the issue on two systems. And it does vanish if you use an older driver. So , I would suspect that there is some software interaction between you systems (as configured) and the driver sets.

So we need some system details (HW) and also software and system configuration details.

Then look at how you have set Windows up with regard to fonts, font size, and other cosmetic stuff in Windows.

It is also a good idea to try disabling applications on you system to see if one of them can be linked to the text issues you describe.

Let us know if you find another clue.

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Ok I'm on it. Going to start with a fresh install of XP and go from there. I'll report back as soon as I know anything.
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Catalystcatcher, what is this color-problem?

Look here:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/windows-...ml#post1118529




Some screenshots:
http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/ati_1.JPG
http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/ati_2.JPG
http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/ati_3.JPG (compare this screenshot with your view of the gamestar-website)
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Catalystcatcher, what is this color-problem?

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Some screenshots:
http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/ati_1.JPG
http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/ati_2.JPG
http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/ati_3.JPG (compare this screenshot with your view of the gamestar-website)
I see no color corruption at all when I view your JPG screenshots. It must be something to do with your monitor settings. The JPGs show up fine....

Here's a shot I took of yours with my own view of the website at the bottom.....

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Yes, and there it is... look at the Color of the Links at Gamestar: They are brown. Look at the highlighted Links on the google Screenshot: They are red. And these Colors are NOT because I already clicked them before. They look different with 7.11.


And on the Screenshot with the title bar (its very hard to see) the shadow of the Text is orange.


EDIT: Here a better Screenshot: http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/title_orange.bmp (the first is my title bar, the second the title bar of a friend of mine)

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EDIT: Here a better Screenshot: http://artifex.my-lsl.net/ati/title_orange.bmp (the first is my title bar, the second the title bar of a friend of mine)
Both of them are fine in my screen. DVI connected LCD monitor. Sounds like you need to change your monitor...
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Just so to make it clear these issues do exist. I just finished a clean install of XP Pro and installed the drivers only and ran right into it. Now it does appear that enabling clear type fixes the problem though I'd rather not have to. A few screen shots here to show the difference.
http://home.neo.rr.com/kayfam/Driver...artype-off.JPG
http://home.neo.rr.com/kayfam/Driver...eartype-on.JPG
http://home.neo.rr.com/kayfam/Driver...type-off-2.JPG
http://home.neo.rr.com/kayfam/Driver...rtype-on-2.JPG

Notice the white or blue text appearing reddish brown with clear type off.

As I promised CATALYSTCATCHER my full sustem specs,
Motherboard: Abit IP35-Pro
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz
RAM: 2GB Crucial DDR2 800
Graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 512MB
Monitor: 22" Gateway FPD2275W connected via DVI
Sound: HT Omega Clario
HDD: Western Digital 250GB x 2 running in AHCI mode
DVD-ROM: Pioneer DVR-112D, Samsung SH-S202G

If any more info is required please let me know.

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Just so to make it clear these issues do exist. .....
I have the same problem since the first day using a wide screen monitor. I think that is a problem with the fonts in use. TTF fonts always display flawless - not so with other font types.

I see this problem mostly when installing software - the installer's font display frequently expose this problem (coloured shadow).

There is another related problem for example that the Arial font displays significantly smaller on a large wide screen than on an 4:3 monitor. The 10pt Arial on my 22" monitor looks like a 8pt size but Verdana displays absolutely fine in all sizes.

I think there is something generally wrong with the font mapping on wide screens causing all these issues.

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I do have a 19' CRT.
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I do have a 19' CRT.
Oh, okay, that makes it even more worse. I thought only wide screens have this problem.
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Haulin' game doens't work with new 8.1 drivers can someone make sure of it? I load the game then crash to the desktop back to 7.11 drivers for me. I do have AGP hot fix installed.
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Well I have only had my system a week and I have had 3 instances where I have been web browsing and my Samsung went completely green with vertical bands?

I have been able to reproduce this issue with both the Catalyst 7.12's and the new 8.1's. I have also had it occur with the 0505 and 0802 BIOS for my mobo.

Oddly enough the system appears to running rock solid in games. All 3 occurences happened web browsing when the card throttles back and running on a single?

Still new to the whole Crossfire thing, what I do know is I bought top of the line parts and these 3 lockups are more than I have had in the last 3 years?
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What I don't get is why it is such a huge cause for concern. Such as to make people revert to a previous driver. It's a dot a few pixels square.

We will fix it soon. Hopefully, next time out the gate.

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If you are using a PLASMA DISPLAY PANEL as the display, you risk image burn, especially since this is a pure white dot about 4 pixels wide. Even with an animated background, the white dot stays on top...
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Both of them are fine in my screen. DVI connected LCD monitor. Sounds like you need to change your monitor...
your LCD is faulty or your color configuration sux

i can clearly see the problem he has

and now i will post the same problem
if you dont notice the difference then replace either your monitor or your vga..

how it is:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4261/secondem2.jpg

how it should be:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/352/firstvj1.jpg

how it is:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2244/first1ub1.jpg

how it should be:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7413/second2yz5.jpg

those links change their color back to default if i select them with my mouse

that bug has appeared with drivers 7.12
i did a clean install of drivers (using driver cleaner to remove 7.11 drivers)

that bug does not appear in IE7 where i have clear type enabled

it does appear in opera and windows in general where clear type is disabled

so please dont go around saying its people's fault when it isnt
many people report still having the same problem in new 8.1 drivers
i dont see how this bug can go undetected with ATI people for2 driver revisions..

my configuration:

club 3d HD3870, win xp sp2 pro, LG 20.1" LCD (connected via DVI), 7.12 official ati drivers + CCC

btw i didnt OC anything, everything is at stock speeds and my GPU temp doesnt go over 40C in IDLE and 78C in LOAD

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your LCD is faulty or your color configuration sux
I can tell you it isn't. If you would had look of the post that I've quoted and the link to the image I said that I don't see any difference in it. Color configuration is sRGB and Windows has the color profile in use.

[EDIT] After downloading the bmp file. I took a better look at it and yeah the white has some shades of orange. And after my original post I've seen the issue clearly! And I didn't say at the first place that the issue isn't there.
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Bickering over this is pointless. It's obvious that some of us are experiencing the issue and others not. Finding the common thread is the main thing.
I request that one of the moderators here move this post and all others related to these color issues to it's own separate thread and make it sticky.

A quote from a poster over at Rage3d that might shed some light on this:
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Normally, the rendering and smoothing of text is done in the hardware through hardware 2D acceleration in Windows XP. Cleartype, on the other hand, is handled entirely by GDI and done in the software. It looks like the red and blue values have been swapped so that when the color of the text is specified, the driver interprets what should be the red value as the blue value and vice versa. Enabling ClearType switches from using the driver's hardware acceleration to software for the text taking the driver out of the equation
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Haulin' game doesn't work with this driver set Terry back cat's 7.11 for me.
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Nevermind, already mentioned

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8.1 installed with no AGP problems on my Raedon x1600 Pro 512 AGP. Did not need to install the hotfix drivers at all. Guess I'm lucky this month.

Although, in the cat feedback I sent for the 7.12 failed driver install, I asked for them to tell the AMD receptionist in charge of the driver updates to include my card for next month. LOL
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I installed 8.1 hotfix drivers a few days ago and I'm very satisfied to these drivers. Everything is working just perfect. Thanks for that.

But when should we expect omega drivers based on 8.1?
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I can't say I'm happy with 8.1 at all.

First of all I had a huge drop in performance with the OpenGL game I mostly play, WWIIOnline. In some points I lost about 50% of the FPS compared to the 7.10 driver I had installed before.

Second I had a strange effect with 3DMark06. It reports after the test a very small increase , from 2549 to 2559, but when I sit and watch it it is definately not as smooth as with the older driver.

I reverted back to 7.10 and all was well again.

I guess this isn't a good driver for the old X850 series cards.

I haven't tried the hotfix since I gathered that was only for those who had problems with getting the drivers to work on AGP cards, I'm one of those AGP users who have never had that issue.
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The white dot does happen in analog too. But it only takes up at total of 4 pixel by 4
pixel square depending on your resolution. I'm thinking some people may have their
monitor adjusted such that its off screen.

That and if you open an application full screen/full screen window it disappears
so unless people stare at their blank desktop then I dunno what the big deal is .
You can disable the CCC tray app if it annoys you too much...


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Bickering over this is pointless. It's obvious that some of us are experiencing the issue and others not. Finding the common thread is the main thing.
I request that one of the moderators here move this post and all others related to these color issues to it's own separate thread and make it sticky.
Understand though people like myself are trying to duplicate the issue and from what
I'm reading it not happening . Must be another set of conditions in play... I've found
those conditions!


You must have font edge smoothing ON, set to standard
set to clear type or font edge smoothing off gives no issue.
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Old Jan 26, 2008, 07:03 PM   #60
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I hope the text discoloration will be fixed ASAP, or at least before the next Catalyst release. I'm sure a lot of people (myself, included) can't stand Windows XP with ClearType font smoothing enabled, or font smoothing completely disabled due to custom fonts (that look bad with ClearType on, or standard font smoothing disabled) or other conditions.

In addition, I can confirm everything looks fine and dandy on version 7.11. I'm using these while waiting for the next release.

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