pero.lo

Hello!

I have ATI Radeon HD 3650 512MB AGP card.
I'm looking for drivers that will run Oblivion since the new drivers are causing crash.
Can someone please give me link? Thanks.

temeteus82

Hi there and welcome to DriverHeaven!

First I moved the thread to better parts of the forums and second I renamed it to more clearer topic.

Now lets get to the help part. You have AGP so you need to use the AGP hotfix drivers. You can get them here : AMD Customer Care. They are based on Catalyst 8.10 drivers if I'm not mistaken. Install them as you would install normal drivers.

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pero.lo

Hello temeteus82!

Thank you for moving the thread and changing the title. It was hard to browse without drivers and I couldn't find the right place.

I have installed the hotfix successfully. Should that solve my problem?


Edit: Oblivion still gets the blue screen after some 20 seconds.

Before HD 3650, I had Radeon 9550 and I had this problem. Installing older 7-7 drivers solved the problem for 9550.

Liqourice

What does the BSOD say? That's a vital key as to what's the problem.

A bluescreen is most likely a driver problem, but it doesn't have to be the gfx drivers. Have you updated chipset, cpu and sound drivers as well?

pero.lo

I don't know... I read it, but I'm not familiar with all this, so I don't know what is important to remember..


No, I've only bought a new GPU and installed it.

I also have a thread about it on Bethesda forums and someone said this:

Liqourice

Well, did you completely uninstall the drivers before installing the new card? Or do you completely uninstall drivers before updating or changing driver set?

You should use a tool like Drivercleaner or CCleaner to remove residue files after uninstalling, then reboot, let the system settle down by cancelling any request to find a driver and then install the new driver. Just installing a driver on top of another can cause problem, especially if you revert to an older driver.

About your BSOD's

If you have a look at this sample BSOD picture.



You can see on the top where it says "DRIVER_IRQ....." and on the bottom where it says "**** WXYZ.SYS......"

Those two are the keys to understanding what goes wrong. Remember, this is just a sample but the information you need is in the area of those two lines.

pero.lo

I haven't used driver cleaner or anything, just uninstalled them through Add/Remove programs.

Here is my BSOD, I apologise for the quality of the pictures.

Dyre Straits

Before proceeding any further, pero.lo, you need to list your system specs. CPU, Motherboard, RAM, Power Supply, etc.

Thanks

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pero.lo

Hi,


Motherboard:
Property Value
Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Product Name A7N8X-X
Version REV 2.xx
Machine Type AT/AT COMPATIBLE
Infrared (IR) Supported Yes
DMI System UUID FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF
UUID FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF

Disk Space Disk C: 35 GB Available, 74 GB Total, 35 GB Free
Disk F: 1298 MB Available, 1964 MB Total, 1298 MB Free

Physical Memory 1024 MB Total, 468 MB Free
Memory Load 54%

Virtual Memory 1930 MB Total, 1432 MB Free

PageFile Name \??\C:\pagefile.sys
PageFile Size 1000 MB
In use 83 MB
Max used 84 MB
Registry Size 7 MB (current), 54 MB (maximum)

Profile GUID {f93546c0-da65-11d8-82b7-806d6172696f}

The system clock interval 15 ms


CPU:
Property Value
Number of CPU(s) One Physical Processor / One Core / One Logical Processor / 32 bits
CPU Full Name AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+
Vendor AuthenticAMD
CPU Name AMD Athlon XP
CPU Code Name Barton
Platform Name Socket A (462)
Technology 0.13 µm
Instructions MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE
System Clock 167.0 MHz
FSB 334.1 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes
L1 Instructions Cache 64 KBytes
L2 Cache 512 KBytes


1 GB RAM

I don't know how to check my PSU...

Dyre Straits

You need to remove the side cover of the case and look at the PSU's label. In some situations, you may have to physically remove it if the label can't be seen with the side cover off. But, there is a label on the PSU that shows the stats needed.

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pero.lo

Hello!

The label on PSU say following:

Switching power supply
Model: KY-280ATX

AC Input
230V ~50Hz 3A

DC Output (max)
+5 V___ -5V___ +12V___ -12V___ +3.3V___ +5VSB
14 A___0.5 A ___5 A ___0.5 A ___10 A_____ 2 A


I hope that's what you wanted to know.

Dyre Straits

That PSU doesn't even come close to being powerful enough to handle the load. You definitely need a much, much better PSU than what you have. Something in the 400W range but, VERY IMPORTANT, a PSU with at least a 20A rating on the +12V rail.

It's no wonder you're having problems.

Good luck!

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Liqourice

That PSU really is way to weak. Only 5A on the 12V rail!

Here's what the system requirements are for that card when I check on Sapphires site.

Maybe the suggested PSU is more than needed but the one you have is definately not enough.

pero.lo

Hi Dyre Straits, hi Liqourice,

Ok, so I should go and buy a new PSU?

I want to go as cheap as possible. For GPU I payed almost 90€, it would be way too much if PSU would cost anything like that.

Is there anything important that I should know before getting one, except that it has 20 or more ampers under +12 V?
Will it work on my computer? What about those connectors?

temeteus82

It will work just fine. Do note that your CPU is bottlenecking that card.

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pero.lo

Hello,
I have bought 550W PSU. Well, that wasn't what caused the problem, because Oblivion still crashes to BSOD...

Dyre Straits

I do want to assure you of one thing: You definitely needed a better PSU than what was in the system to begin with. You won't be sorry for getting this.

Now, we need some data from that game crash. What message are you seeing when you get the BSOD?

How is your RAM memory configured and what timings are you using? Have you run Memtest86+ on the RAM to make sure there are no errors?

Are you overclocking anything? CPU?, Video Card? If so, revert to the default timings and see if the BSODs stop.

If any of this is a repeat, I apologize, I hope I'm not covering old news.

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pero.lo

Thank you all for your help.

After I tried everything that was suggested here, by sapphire support, on bethesda forums, ecc, after numerous messing with drivers, hotfixes, BIOS settings, buying new PSU, updating some drivers I never heard of there was no result. Oblivion would crash to BSOD. (Dyre Straits, you can see photos of BSOD above)

So I have put Sapphire Radeon HD 3650 AGP back in the it's box and replaced it for nVidia GeForce 7600 GS. Now everything works fine. And I hope it will be like that.

Once again, thank you all for your help.

hwfox

I have aquired an ASUS AH3650 AGP, and are experiencing the same problem, that is well described by "pero.lo"
The same BSOD screen and error codes appear when the crash happens.
The only fix that seems to make the card run Oblivion and other games without crashes, is setting the processor multiplier to 9x or less.

My configuration is
I have a Athlon-XP "Barton" 3200+
ABIT-AN7 Motherboard

The motherboard chipset on Abit AN7 is the same as on ASUS A7N8X
NVIDIA's nForce2 SPP Ultra 400 northbridge chipset and nForce2 MCP-T southbridge chipset

I suspect that the ATI 3650 AGP cards have difficulty with the NForce2 Ultra chipset.
The crashes are predictable. For they happen at specific locations on Oblivion. And on Medieval Total War, crashes always happen about 2 seconds after having gone to the battlefield. Always with the same BSOD message.

CCTakedown

I have the same problem on my RADEON 3650 HD

The game crashes whan i get out of the dam sewer hole ...

But my computer dosent show any erroe reports just restarts.

I suspect theat Oblivion just dosent support HD 3650.

I think i have enough good sistem for HD

A 550W power supply

1.5GB ram

and AMD ATHLON Processor

jandarsun8

hmmm, I've ran Oblivion on my X1950 Pro AGP and my barton 3200+ recently with no problems although I'm using the 8.12 drivers. MB is a Abit KW7 using the VIA KT880 though so there's a difference there. Tried rolling the drivers back maybe? Just a suggestion as you are all using the 3650 cards.

Thought; AGP Fast Writes off? I know I did have some issues with that being enabled.

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pero.lo

It was the same for me too, but then I have disabled automatic restart, after that I got BSOD.

defearian

I had the same problem with Call of Duty 4 on XP sp3 but when I upgraded to Vista it disappeared

ManicFreak

If you have an Athlon XP cpu, you can try a fix at this page (Symptom #2).
It fixed all my crashes and the explanation why the crashes happened is on that page too.