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Old Oct 16, 2003, 10:31 PM   #271
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There's something weird about these leaked drivers. I can't run Aquamark3 through the tests completely. It always locks up after several minutes from start. 3dmark goes through but Aquamark wont. I didn't have this problem with 3.8. Anyway, I'm back to 3.5. They work flawlessly on my rig, no lock-ups and no problems with games (like horrible 2fps performance in NWN@3.8).
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Ok those drivers dont work on windows 2003 at all ... But thats not my biggest problem... How can i activate smartgart ??? I have to change this fuckin PCI to AGP ... (((

HELP ME PLEASE!!
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Old Oct 16, 2003, 11:28 PM   #273
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Anyway- I have to say- with some more testing, I have found that these drivers in no way hold any settings I give them EVER, under any circumstances. They always revert back to defaults and I get 0aa 0af and horrible looking picture- D3D and OpenGL. I have no idea why, I installed these the same way I always have- The CP is messed up in the 3.8's period.

It sux, because I like these drivers (what little I have seen with quality settings)

ATI should have a patch out the next day when their control panel has so many issues. Unacceptable- I don't think it's a problem specific to Omega's either- pretty much the basic driver has the problem.

After you try the smartshader effects you might as well uninstall the drivers, as nothing works after that.
no rolling eyes needed , it's just the truth

i have no problems with these drivers. sure the cp has some bugs even though you can get around them but you don't need to just use rtool to change your settings , it works perfectly

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flash you need used driver heaven cleaner then scan disk and defrag try that if not you might have formated. For me Should I stick using Omegas 3.8 or go for the 3.8A set? please respone I have np with the normal set that he had out for the first time,
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flash you need used driver heaven cleaner then scan disk and defrag try that if not you might have formated.
But i just formated HDD. There were no previous drivers installed.
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BWX, please if you can do that and write the names down, that would help me a lot to see where they come from and if windows has something to do with it.
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Well I just tested OpenGL for about 3 hours- those 2.4.96b drivers look sweet man- they really have nice IQ-- and I think the triple buffering is on, it just doesn't show up in the CP as being on. I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be hardly any tearing at all w/o v-sync on. It's pretty easy to see it when triple buffering is off.

So I'll make sure that AA and stuff works with D3D- But I'm sure it will.

Anyway, as far as that Smartgart issue goes, I just went into the advanced Smartgart CP and let it "retest all"- then it seemed like the drivers worked.

So it doesn't have to come on right after the install to work? As long as you retest it later the drivers work?
It seems to be this way, I'm just not sure. It could be a workaround for all the people w/ Nforce2 boards that don't get them to install. I hear all these people saying it messed up their icons, I think that's because Smartgart never did the initial detection. And it leaves their desktop at 16bit color mode. They just never realize why and then they say their drivers are messed up. Which they would be if Smartgart never detected for the first time andd they continued to use their drivers like that.
I also have an nforce2 board from asus, A7n8x and i have never had any problems with installing ati drivers. All of them from cats 3.2 - cats 3.8. I'm not sure why people are having this installing issues (smartgart prblems)with the ATI drivers. Maybe you could try a fresh install?

So we have a new omega set right? I think i'll give it a try and see if the game profile is working this time around.
I'll report back as soon as i try it.

The other think is that can omega exclude the directx control panel in the next driver? I mean not many people are using that directx cp and it just doesn't look nice when i try to open the dxdiagnose?
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Old Oct 17, 2003, 02:17 PM   #278
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Yep, at least for desktop users, Mobility users have not reported anything yet, and that makes me think they are happy and playing games at this time, that's why they haven't reported

Well, this Mobility user still has to install the latest driverset and when I have...

I WILL REPORT...OH YES...REPORT I WILL...
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well,

I think the game profile bug will still be there since as omega said he uses the same ati 3.8 cp.
Well i think nobody can do anything about it, except ATI, to fix this game profile problem. It's a pity though because it is one of the feature i was really waiting for. I hope they fix it in cat 3.9.

I could be wrong though. has anyone tested yet?
I was going to test it but then omega said that he uses the same ati 3.8 cp and he said that the same bug is still there.
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I also have an nforce2 board from asus, A7n8x and i have never had any problems with installing ati drivers. All of them from cats 3.2 - cats 3.8. I'm not sure why people are having this installing issues (smartgart prblems)with the ATI drivers. Maybe you could try a fresh install?
Does your screen blink once after a driver install? A fresh install has nothing to do with it, it happens no matter what, anyway- I have an Nforce2 ultra 400- maybe that's it- NF7 ver2- I know it's supposed to initialize on it's own and it doesn't.
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BWX, please if you can do that and write the names down, that would help me a lot to see where they come from and if windows has something to do with it.
I'm gonna try now, I haven't been able to get online since yestyerday- no cable tv either- cable went completely out from windstorm. I'll get right back to you with those file names if I can see them. (Hopefully I will)
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Mmm why don't I have the triple buffering anyone ????
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Please tell me how can i get into SmartGart in win2k3 ...
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Please tell me how can i get into SmartGart in win2k3 ...
I don't support Windows 2003 officially, the drivers where not meant for it, problems may arise...
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What about the non-functional 3D Tab in the CP when using dual monitors. Is that addressed at all in this update?
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What about the non-functional 3D Tab in the CP when using dual monitors. Is that addressed at all in this update?
I'm still working on fixing that problem, sorry, the solution so far is to disable second monitor temporarily, make the changes you need in the 3D panel, then enable it back.
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Omega installing the latest drivers brought back the triple buffering options. Sadly it re-introduced the four monitor problem. Also for people that smartgart problems can you seperate out the control panel again. This allows to do a simple manual update.

Ah correction for some reason the 2nd head was using the ATI own driver. Updating that the version B sent the monitors back to two.
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BWX, please if you can do that and write the names down, that would help me a lot to see where they come from and if windows has something to do with it.
Well, unfortunately I could not recreate the drivers asking me to overwrite the files. All I can think is that when it originally happened somehow when I uninstalled the drivers before hand, that they didn't get uninstalled somehow, then I got the option to overwrite them or not.
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Well Omega I must really say that your drivers owns. No problems at all for me, using my 9700np on my NF7-S rev 2.0 with nForce Ultra 400. Absolutely stable and decent FPS.

All games works too and at high resolutions and awesome graphics. Way better than the ATi standard drivers.
Halo - works
Max Payne 2 -works
Jedi Knight Jedi Academy - works
Homeworld 2 -works

I have not yet tested more games, but those works win no problem at all.
And that on the former package, the "a" release.
Will test the "b" package when I get home. I will se if they might fix the Shadow rendering problem with ATi cards in Homeworld 2.

And one more thank to you Omega. It was you leading me to this very good forum...


And to BWX232 and the problems with ATi drivers. I have the same motherboard and I have no problems at all. Not on my SATA drive or on my previous IDE drive. I do hope it will work out for you somehow, cause these drivers are the best!
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flash you need used driver heaven cleaner then scan disk and defrag try that if not you might have formated. For me Should I stick using Omegas 3.8 or go for the 3.8A set? please respone I have np with the normal set that he had out for the first time,
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I'm using Omegas 3.8 cats I have np with them so far. Should I go to 3.8'A for keep the 3.8 set.
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Get the omega2496b driver set, its awsome
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And to BWX232 and the problems with ATi drivers. I have the same motherboard and I have no problems at all. Not on my SATA drive or on my previous IDE drive. I do hope it will work out for you somehow, cause these drivers are the best!
I'm not having problems with "b" set, but the omega "a" 3.8 wouldn't hold the settings in the custom options. I had no AA or AF in OGL no matter what I did.

I've noticed with all ATI drivers the screen "blinks" after smartgart starts for the first time after the restart after the install- With the 3.8's smartgart does not do this and I need to shut those services off before I shut down, then turn them on after the shutdown to let them detect everything. Either that or just run them manually. It's not really a problem, more like just a workaround. But I agree these drivers are great- I can see the difference in the image quality and "smoothness" of games.
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Does your screen blink once after a driver install? A fresh install has nothing to do with it, it happens no matter what, anyway- I have an Nforce2 ultra 400- maybe that's it- NF7 ver2- I know it's supposed to initialize on it's own and it doesn't.
Yes, after a fresh install of ati cats driver my screen blink once. I don't use DH cleaner though. What i do is that uninstall all the ati cp and driver in the add/remove. Then restart. After a reboot, microsoft will then try to detect your video driver 2 time (one for primary and one for the secondary), click cancel on both. Then i delete the ati folder in the program files and another ati folder in c: (created during installation). Then i go to the registry and delete 2 ati keys in the hkey local machine->software, and also delete video key under hkey local machine -> system -> currentcontrolset -> control. then restart again. cancel both the unknown devices again. Then install the ati driver.
although i have tried to install ati drivers on top of the previous driver (but uninstall cp first), they seem to work just fine as well. So i don't think your problem is with the installtion procedure. It must be some other things in your windows xp.
btw, i didn't change any winxp services. I left them as default. Can that be your problem. Or maybe you disabled too many things that make the windows xp won't do any startup tasks.
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Well, first off, many thanks for the driver set, Omega. I just picked them up a few hours ago and they seem to be quite a bit faster than the ATI CAT 3.8 release. And more importantly, they actually apply the AA and AF I ask for in D3D whereas the ATI 3.8's claimed to apply it, but it never worked.

However, major problems with a dual monitor setup under Win2K (Omega 2.4.96b) on a 9800XT with HydraVision (3.21.2108) installed. I don't have the problem Wounded Paw reported regarding non-functional 3D tabs, but rather my screen settings don't stick after a reboot. Win2K gets extremely confused as to which monitor is which, which is active, and what resolution goes where. The Omega Display tab reports the correct settings, but the main Settings tab in Display Properties reports incorrectly and Win2K seems to take the settings from that one.

Basically after every reboot, the Settings tab reports only my DVI LCD as active (and thus monitor #1 and the primary desktop), on the left side, and at 640x480. Both screens are active however, with the LCD running at its native 1024x768x32-bit and my CRT running at 640x480x8-bit @ 60 Hz. The LCD has the Start menu, but my desktop icons are (sometimes?) on the CRT.

What it is supposed to be (settings at shutdown) is the CRT as the primary desktop (monitor #1) on the left side at 1280x960x32-bit @ 85 Hz and the LCD as the secondary desktop (monitor #2) at 1024x768x32-bit @ 60 Hz.

Also, the monitors show up in the "Unknown" category of the Device Manager rather than in "Monitors." Not a clue as to why. The Omega driver knows that the correct monitors and drivers are installed despite this categorization.

Seems like ATI changed--and subsequently broke--a lot of things in the release and gave us SmartShader Effects in return...
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but rather my screen settings don't stick after a reboot. Win2K gets extremely confused as to which monitor is which, which is active, and what resolution goes where. The Omega Display tab reports the correct settings, but the main Settings tab in Display Properties reports incorrectly and Win2K seems to take the settings from that one.
Same ol same ol bug. I swear I sometimes think ATI will never get dual monitor support correct. How difficult can it really be, my crap TNT card does it flawlessly. Anyways, I reported the same problem (again) earlier in this thread. Maybe ATI can get ir right in 3.9 but I've been hoping that since the old 3.4 days.
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Ati drivers = no Halo

Ok, I have tried all recomended methods for installing all ati drivers from yours to 3.7. Crashes usually occur , but not always, during from game play to movie sequences, Or just starting up. Crash is blue screen of death. Error ati3d2.dll. I have a 9000pro in an Msi 645 ultra mainboard audigy 2 zs sound card. Sound was buggy with first install. but after bios, vga driver update from msi, sound has smoothed up completely.

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Ok, I have tried all recomended methods for installing all ati drivers from yours to 3.7. Crashes usually occur , but not always, during from game play to movie sequences, Or just starting up. Crash is blue screen of death. Error ati3d2.dll. I have a 9000pro in an Msi 645 ultra mainboard audigy 2 zs sound card. Sound was buggy with first install. but after bios, vga driver update from msi, sound has smoothed up completely.

Any ideas?????
By any means, did you say YES to replace ALL newer files while the drivers where installing?
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Yes, after a fresh install of ati cats driver my screen blink once. I don't use DH cleaner though. What i do is that uninstall all the ati cp and driver in the add/remove. Then restart. After a reboot, microsoft will then try to detect your video driver 2 time (one for primary and one for the secondary), click cancel on both. Then i delete the ati folder in the program files and another ati folder in c: (created during installation). Then i go to the registry and delete 2 ati keys in the hkey local machine->software, and also delete video key under hkey local machine -> system -> currentcontrolset -> control. then restart again. cancel both the unknown devices again. Then install the ati driver.
although i have tried to install ati drivers on top of the previous driver (but uninstall cp first), they seem to work just fine as well. So i don't think your problem is with the installtion procedure. It must be some other things in your windows xp.
btw, i didn't change any winxp services. I left them as default. Can that be your problem. Or maybe you disabled too many things that make the windows xp won't do any startup tasks.
I do have some services disabled (indexing, messenger, terminal, auto updates, Fast user switching, desktop sharing, secondary logon, remote registry, SSDP (upnp), system restore, TASK SCHEDULER <---(but that's always been disabled, and smartgart has always worked before --it sounds like that could be it though), telnet, and a bunch set on manual. But all these have always been the same before too- This smartgart thing all started when I got my NF7- that's why I assumed it was that, that was the only real change to my system when it started happening.

I usually uninstall the drivers, reboot in safe mode, then us DH DC2, then delete any left over ATI files in C: drive. Then reboot and install the new ones. Always have done this too- and never had that smartgart issue..
So who knows, could be anything I guess, theres about 1000 variables- hard to track it down. As long as they work I'm happy with them. Just one more small step to initialize smartgart now- no big deal really.

But I am very much looking forward to ATI putting out the next patch or complete set that addresses the control panel issues... They are kinda buggy no matter what you do- the profiles stop working after a while I noticed, even if they work at first. I'm sure they'll get it ironed out soon.
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