How to make your OEM BIOS to Retail BIOS

DoctorJ · Jul 14, 2002, 06:53 AM

I don't want to see you guys who doesn't know well about hex editing & DOS command prompt.... sufferring from any problems....

this is the trick
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ATII2KAG.INF

"RADEON 8500/RADEON 8500LE " = ati2mtag_R200,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514c&SUBSYS_003a100 2
"RADEON 8500/RADEON 8500LE" = ati2mtag_R200,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_013A100 2
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

everythin here is at your own risk!!!

remember! changing bios can rob your right to get A/S

the latist ver. of RadEdit is 1.1 & It support changing vendorID..

BUT! this is incomplete cause the retail driver checks also Device ID & subsys ID

RadEdit 1.1 wouldn't change the subsys ID from the bios

so.. this is it!

what U need is RadEdit 1.1 & 0.96 at :
http://www.radeon2.ru/radedit.html
http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit11.zip
http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit096.zip

1. run RadeEdit 1.1 & load "Current" bios which is in Ur Radeon 8500
save it! ...like "original.bin" (in case U fail to flashing... or ...)

2. changing vendor ID to 0x1002 <== this is important

3. save again as "retail.bin"

4. run any HexEditor of your choice & load "retail.bin"

5. find "02 10" <== which means the Vendor ID U changed at step 2.
the first search is at 0x0070 of 0x0074 & it's like "02 10 36 01" for me

the latter 2byte is the subsys ID so change it to "3A 01"

6. find "02 10" again.. this time it's different from case by case..
cause the bios title & ver info... etc. is different
anyway.. You'll see something like "02 10 xx xx 4C 51"
"02 10 36 01 4C 51" was mine.. got it? "Vendor ID, subsys ID, Device ID"
change subsys ID to "3A 01"
(if you search "02 01" one more you'll see "02 10 4C 51"... )

7. save the result as "retail.bin"

8. not yet.. be patient... you need to change the checksum.. now its time for radEdit 0.96
run this & load "retail.bin" you just edited "Update Checksums"

save as "retail.bin" again

now flashing with your RETAIL bios..... this works for me.. I changed my driver to Built by ATI...

Good luck for you!!!

DoctorJ · Jul 15, 2002, 03:58 AM

I found out that RadEdit 0.96 has a problem while loading recently released 7008 BIOS

Here is the solution.. RadEdit 0.98 has same option as 0.96 (calculate checksum & update it).. U can get RadEdit 0.98 at here :

http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit098.zip

don't forget to save again after "update checksum"

& make sure U prepared your original bios back up

Time · Jul 15, 2002, 04:26 AM

And what is the point? Any signif performance diff for all that feasco ?

DoctorJ · Jul 15, 2002, 04:58 AM

I have OEM 8500 128m video card

any of the retail BIOSes .. like 1009 7004 7005 7006 wouldn't work on my card

I just see some strange screen after booting... so I tried to change the vendor ID of my own bios. BUT it didn't work.... I couldn't install BBA drivers.

now with this subsys ID changing... I CAN INSTALL ANY DRIVER without editing inf file..... BBA? PBA? whatever!

This is the point of changing bios:
"doesn't have any problem with installing ANY driver"

I know lots of people with 8500 128m users have same problem... cannot find proper retail bios.. Vendor ID changing wouldn't work. This trick is very useful for them not for the one who has a reference-like card(though this is OEM) which accept any of the retail bioses

FiatluX · Jul 18, 2002, 12:18 AM

Just did what u recommended ! Now its time for a try ..

FiatluX · Jul 18, 2002, 12:21 AM

On my 7500 as well ??? Or is the subsys-id different ?

DoctorJ · Jul 18, 2002, 04:18 AM

"RADEON 7500" = ati2mtag_RV200, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5157&SUBSYS_013A1002"

as U see in "atii2kag.inf"

Vendor ID is 1002
Device ID is 5157
Subsystem ID is 013A(1002)

so check Device ID is 5157(= 57 51 in HEX bin), change subsys ID to 013A (= 3A 01 in HEX bin)
RadEdit doesnot seem to support "reconstruct 7500 bios"
what I'm sayings is... maybe.... U have only 1 method to back up Ur bios (of the 7500) & it is using the flashing tool like

"flashrom -s 0 backup.bin"

one more thing to check is some flashing tool works only for 8500. U need to find proper flashing tool for 7500

But.. What I recommand is TRY RETAIL 7500 BIOS ready for U..

This trick I posted is for someone who has a card which doesn't accept any retail bioses. The best choice for all ATI user is FLASHING RETAIL BIOS

DoctorJ · Jul 18, 2002, 04:31 AM

Ah~ I have to tell you this

one of my friends using MARK 7500 (likly to be early PowerColor RV200(7500)) which is impossible to use retail bios
did like what I posted... change subsys ID (device ID was already 5157)

The result is satisfiable.. no problem with installing BBA driver..

Good luck! FiatluX

FiatluX · Jul 18, 2002, 09:53 AM

Only 1 thing, my bios says 57 51 !!!

Maybe it doesnt mean a thing ?
I´m no expert in hex-editing !

FiatluX · Jul 18, 2002, 10:00 AM

Just noticed that u allready answered that,sorry bout that..

Ante · Jul 19, 2002, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DoctorJ
I don't want to see you guys who doesn't know well about hex editing & DOS command prompt.... sufferring from any problems....

this is the trick
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATII2KAG.INF

"RADEON 8500/RADEON 8500LE " = ati2mtag_R200,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514c&SUBSYS_003a100 2
"RADEON 8500/RADEON 8500LE" = ati2mtag_R200,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_013A100 2
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

everythin here is at your own risk!!!

remember! changing bios can rob your right to get A/S

the latist ver. of RadEdit is 1.1 & It support changing vendorID..

BUT! this is incomplete cause the retail driver checks also Device ID & subsys ID

RadEdit 1.1 wouldn't change the subsys ID from the bios

so.. this is it!

what U need is RadEdit 1.1 & 0.96 at :
http://www.radeon2.ru/radedit.html
http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit11.zip
http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit096.zip

1. run RadeEdit 1.1 & load "Current" bios which is in Ur Radeon 8500
save it! ...like "original.bin" (in case U fail to flashing... or ...)

2. changing vendor ID to 0x1002 <== this is important

3. save again as "retail.bin"

4. run any HexEditor of your choice & load "retail.bin"

5. find "02 10" <== which means the Vendor ID U changed at step 2.
the first search is at 0x0070 of 0x0074 & it's like "02 10 36 01" for me

the latter 2byte is the subsys ID so change it to "3A 01"

6. find "02 10" again.. this time it's different from case by case..
cause the bios title & ver info... etc. is different
anyway.. You'll see something like "02 10 xx xx 4C 51"
"02 10 36 01 4C 51" was mine.. got it? "Vendor ID, subsys ID, Device ID"
change subsys ID to "3A 01"
(if you search "02 01" one more you'll see "02 10 4C 51"... )

7. save the result as "retail.bin"

8. not yet.. be patient... you need to change the checksum.. now its time for radEdit 0.96
run this & load "retail.bin" you just edited "Update Checksums"

save as "retail.bin" again

now flashing with your RETAIL bios..... this works for me.. I changed my driver to Built by ATI...

Good luck for you!!!

Can someone do this for me with the 7008bios.. my card worked much better for me with 7008 then 7004, but when it didnt support ATI drivers i changed back to 7004.. so can someone please do this for me with the 7008 bios.. and send it to "andreas_j84@hotmail.com".. cause I didnt understand much of this guide.

/ante

~~outsider~~ · Aug 2, 2002, 06:15 PM

Can somebody e-mail me the modified 7.008 bios too??
jonatong@yahoo.com

Thanks.

MadAsHell · Aug 14, 2002, 10:57 AM

Get them HERE!

A couple of notes:

I will IN NO WAY be held responsible if you screw your card!!!

The 7004 BIOS is the dump of the original BIOS of my Retail 8500 (275/275 NTSC) 64MB card.

The 7008 BIOS is, I believe, a Saphire Tech reference BIOS. I modded the Vendor ID and substrings to reflect it as being a "Built BY ATI" card. It is also 275/275 NTSC.

The 7008 BIOS works great on my 64MB 8500 Retail card, and has ended my infinite loop problem entirely. I don't know if TV-out works, since I don't use it. I also ran into a problem when reinstalling Windows XP with this BIOS, where it would go to a black screen during install setup. To remedy this, either flash to the 7004 BIOS before reinstall of XP, or get a cheap PCI card to use when installing XP, then swap it for the 8500.

Good luck!

~~outsider~~ · Aug 20, 2002, 08:26 PM

Anyone can modifty the 7.008 bios for Radeon 128MB to Retail??

MadAsHell · Aug 21, 2002, 03:40 PM

If someone wants to send me their 128mb BIOS, I will try to mod it.

RIV@NVX · Dec 2, 2002, 03:05 PM

As soon as Omega uploads new 9700 BIOS and new Radedit, I will try to do the same for 9700 (modding Sapphiretech).

barrybeal · Dec 2, 2002, 09:06 PM

Has anyone used RadEdit 1.1 under Windows XP - Progam loads but I can't load current BIOS - Probably access to the BIOS is protected by Windows XP?

I wish his website had alittle more English information.

What is the latest BIOS for the Radeon 8500LE - my Sapphire 8500LE 128MB has 7.008 dated 06/11/02 (or 02/06/11 in YY/MM/DD format) ??

RIV@NVX · Dec 2, 2002, 09:11 PM

It is lastest BIOS for that card.

+P4r4No1D+ · Dec 3, 2002, 07:26 AM

test

Jul 14, 2002, 06:53 AM	#1
DoctorJ DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Busan, south Korea Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	How to make your OEM BIOS to Retail BIOS I don't want to see you guys who doesn't know well about hex editing & DOS command prompt.... sufferring from any problems.... this is the trick --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATII2KAG.INF "RADEON 8500/RADEON 8500LE " = ati2mtag_R200,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514c&SUBSYS_003a100 2 "RADEON 8500/RADEON 8500LE" = ati2mtag_R200,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_514C&SUBSYS_013A100 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- everythin here is at your own risk!!! remember! changing bios can rob your right to get A/S the latist ver. of RadEdit is 1.1 & It support changing vendorID.. BUT! this is incomplete cause the retail driver checks also Device ID & subsys ID RadEdit 1.1 wouldn't change the subsys ID from the bios so.. this is it! what U need is RadEdit 1.1 & 0.96 at : http://www.radeon2.ru/radedit.html http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit11.zip http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit096.zip 1. run RadeEdit 1.1 & load "Current" bios which is in Ur Radeon 8500 save it! ...like "original.bin" (in case U fail to flashing... or ...) 2. changing vendor ID to 0x1002 <== this is important 3. save again as "retail.bin" 4. run any HexEditor of your choice & load "retail.bin" 5. find "02 10" <== which means the Vendor ID U changed at step 2. the first search is at 0x0070 of 0x0074 & it's like "02 10 36 01" for me the latter 2byte is the subsys ID so change it to "3A 01" 6. find "02 10" again.. this time it's different from case by case.. cause the bios title & ver info... etc. is different anyway.. You'll see something like "02 10 xx xx 4C 51" "02 10 36 01 4C 51" was mine.. got it? "Vendor ID, subsys ID, Device ID" change subsys ID to "3A 01" (if you search "02 01" one more you'll see "02 10 4C 51"... ) 7. save the result as "retail.bin" 8. not yet.. be patient... you need to change the checksum.. now its time for radEdit 0.96 run this & load "retail.bin" you just edited "Update Checksums" save as "retail.bin" again now flashing with your RETAIL bios..... this works for me.. I changed my driver to Built by ATI... Good luck for you!!!

Jul 18, 2002, 12:18 AM	#5
FiatluX DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0	Good 1 ! Thx ! Just did what u recommended ! Now its time for a try .. __________________ Asus A8V-E SE A64 Venice 3200+ @2400 (10X240) CPU & NB Watercooled 3Gb Corsair XPS DDR400 Inno3D 6800GS PCI-E Watercooled Vista RTM

Jul 18, 2002, 12:21 AM	#6
FiatluX DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0	Wondering whether it works ? On my 7500 as well ??? Or is the subsys-id different ? __________________ Asus A8V-E SE A64 Venice 3200+ @2400 (10X240) CPU & NB Watercooled 3Gb Corsair XPS DDR400 Inno3D 6800GS PCI-E Watercooled Vista RTM

Jul 18, 2002, 04:18 AM	Thread Starter #7
DoctorJ DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Busan, south Korea Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	well if U r using 7500 "RADEON 7500" = ati2mtag_RV200, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5157&SUBSYS_013A1002" as U see in "atii2kag.inf" Vendor ID is 1002 Device ID is 5157 Subsystem ID is 013A(1002) so check Device ID is 5157(= 57 51 in HEX bin), change subsys ID to 013A (= 3A 01 in HEX bin) RadEdit doesnot seem to support "reconstruct 7500 bios" what I'm sayings is... maybe.... U have only 1 method to back up Ur bios (of the 7500) & it is using the flashing tool like "flashrom -s 0 backup.bin" one more thing to check is some flashing tool works only for 8500. U need to find proper flashing tool for 7500 But.. What I recommand is TRY RETAIL 7500 BIOS ready for U.. This trick I posted is for someone who has a card which doesn't accept any retail bioses. The best choice for all ATI user is FLASHING RETAIL BIOS

Jul 18, 2002, 09:53 AM	#9
FiatluX DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0	Thx ! Sounds right .. Only 1 thing, my bios says 57 51 !!! Maybe it doesnt mean a thing ? I´m no expert in hex-editing ! __________________ Asus A8V-E SE A64 Venice 3200+ @2400 (10X240) CPU & NB Watercooled 3Gb Corsair XPS DDR400 Inno3D 6800GS PCI-E Watercooled Vista RTM

Jul 15, 2002, 03:58 AM	Thread Starter #2
DoctorJ DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Busan, south Korea Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I found out that RadEdit 0.96 has a problem while loading recently released 7008 BIOS Here is the solution.. RadEdit 0.98 has same option as 0.96 (calculate checksum & update it).. U can get RadEdit 0.98 at here : http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/radedit/radedit098.zip don't forget to save again after "update checksum" & make sure U prepared your original bios back up

Jul 15, 2002, 04:26 AM	#3
Time DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	And what is the point? Any signif performance diff for all that feasco ?

Jul 15, 2002, 04:58 AM	Thread Starter #4
DoctorJ DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Busan, south Korea Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I have OEM 8500 128m video card any of the retail BIOSes .. like 1009 7004 7005 7006 wouldn't work on my card I just see some strange screen after booting... so I tried to change the vendor ID of my own bios. BUT it didn't work.... I couldn't install BBA drivers. now with this subsys ID changing... I CAN INSTALL ANY DRIVER without editing inf file..... BBA? PBA? whatever! This is the point of changing bios: "doesn't have any problem with installing ANY driver" I know lots of people with 8500 128m users have same problem... cannot find proper retail bios.. Vendor ID changing wouldn't work. This trick is very useful for them not for the one who has a reference-like card(though this is OEM) which accept any of the retail bioses

Jul 18, 2002, 04:31 AM	Thread Starter #8
DoctorJ DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Busan, south Korea Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Ah~ I have to tell you this one of my friends using MARK 7500 (likly to be early PowerColor RV200(7500)) which is impossible to use retail bios did like what I posted... change subsys ID (device ID was already 5157) The result is satisfiable.. no problem with installing BBA driver.. Good luck! FiatluX

Jul 18, 2002, 10:00 AM	#10
FiatluX DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0	LOL ! Just noticed that u allready answered that,sorry bout that.. __________________ Asus A8V-E SE A64 Venice 3200+ @2400 (10X240) CPU & NB Watercooled 3Gb Corsair XPS DDR400 Inno3D 6800GS PCI-E Watercooled Vista RTM

Aug 2, 2002, 06:15 PM	#12
~~outsider~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Can somebody e-mail me the modified 7.008 bios too?? jonatong@yahoo.com Thanks.

Aug 14, 2002, 10:57 AM	#13
MadAsHell DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Freeport, IL Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Modded 7008 NTSC BIOS Here... Get them HERE! A couple of notes: I will IN NO WAY be held responsible if you screw your card!!! The 7004 BIOS is the dump of the original BIOS of my Retail 8500 (275/275 NTSC) 64MB card. The 7008 BIOS is, I believe, a Saphire Tech reference BIOS. I modded the Vendor ID and substrings to reflect it as being a "Built BY ATI" card. It is also 275/275 NTSC. The 7008 BIOS works great on my 64MB 8500 Retail card, and has ended my infinite loop problem entirely. I don't know if TV-out works, since I don't use it. I also ran into a problem when reinstalling Windows XP with this BIOS, where it would go to a black screen during install setup. To remedy this, either flash to the 7004 BIOS before reinstall of XP, or get a cheap PCI card to use when installing XP, then swap it for the 8500. Good luck! __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1600+ Epox 8KHA+ (KT266A Chipset) 256MB Mushkin "Cool" PC-2100 DDR ATI Radeon 8500 (Built By ATI) Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 3 IBM Deskstar 75GXP 30GB HDD Lite-On 12/10/32 CD-RW Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM Antec PP-403-X 400w PSU Running Windows XP Pro SP1 and Mandrake Linux 9.0

Aug 20, 2002, 08:26 PM	#14
~~outsider~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Anyone can modifty the 7.008 bios for Radeon 128MB to Retail??

Aug 21, 2002, 03:40 PM	#15
MadAsHell DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Freeport, IL Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	If someone wants to send me their 128mb BIOS, I will try to mod it. __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1600+ Epox 8KHA+ (KT266A Chipset) 256MB Mushkin "Cool" PC-2100 DDR ATI Radeon 8500 (Built By ATI) Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo 3 IBM Deskstar 75GXP 30GB HDD Lite-On 12/10/32 CD-RW Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM Antec PP-403-X 400w PSU Running Windows XP Pro SP1 and Mandrake Linux 9.0

Dec 2, 2002, 03:05 PM	#16
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	As soon as Omega uploads new 9700 BIOS and new Radedit, I will try to do the same for 9700 (modding Sapphiretech). __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 2, 2002, 09:06 PM	#17
barrybeal DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	Has anyone used RadEdit 1.1 under Windows XP - Progam loads but I can't load current BIOS - Probably access to the BIOS is protected by Windows XP? I wish his website had alittle more English information. What is the latest BIOS for the Radeon 8500LE - my Sapphire 8500LE 128MB has 7.008 dated 06/11/02 (or 02/06/11 in YY/MM/DD format) ??

Dec 2, 2002, 09:11 PM	#18
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	It is lastest BIOS for that card. __________________ -- Vedran