cats3.10 and 3dmark01 IQ problem? (pic included)

racingx · Dec 20, 2003, 06:17 PM

Ok I didnt take any performance gain or loss with these compared to cats3.9 but one thing I did notice is that the distant water reflection textures in 3dmark01 Advanced Pixel Shader test (you know the one with the boat and pier) looks as if they are almost flashing. Now what part im talking about is the water reflection of the distant plants near the beginning of the test as it passes the pier but not the boat yet. Can anyone else confirm this?

Rayder · Dec 21, 2003, 12:30 PM

Hey, you got a good eye there. Yep, I see that too. I wonder if it has always done that though. I'm too lazy to install older drivers to test it out.

Is it like a real FAST type of flickering for you? That's what I see. Like you said, ALMOST flashing, but not quite, more like a pulsating or shimmering effect at a very high speed. But yeah, I can confirm that I see the same thing.

Anyone else ever notice if it did that before?

In another instance of 3DMark01.....
One thing I DID notice though is that the pixel shader test with the waves of water has improved greatly for me. Since long before the Catalyst branded drivers, I've had a problem where the last tilt of the camera in that scene would result in the waves in the foreground would kinda hiccup/stutter, but everything else was OK. That is nice and smooth now with the 3.10 drivers.

**MIG-31** · Dec 21, 2003, 01:23 PM

sharp eyes there.

i have not tried the benchies on these 3.10's yet,but will over this next day or so.

Shadow Lady · Dec 21, 2003, 01:45 PM

mmm, I have cat 3.7 and yes it does the same thing, so no 3.10 related ^^' also I thought it was normal, like a shimmer effect, I think I was wrong then =P

racingx · Dec 21, 2003, 03:07 PM

Thanks for the replies good to know its not somenthing wrong with my driver install or video card itself. Really the only reason I posted it was because it really stood out to me and I dont really remember seeing this with my old ti4600. If this is the only thing that bugges me about my 9800pro than I am not complaining cause hey its just 3dmark01 all my games look and play great with this card so its all good.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 21, 2003, 04:12 PM

it doesnt happen on my system
tryied it 7 times ... runs to slow with fraps on to get a good movie but its not there on my system i asure u

ViRuS2k · Dec 21, 2003, 04:59 PM

hmm this sounds like the problem im getting aswell with prince of persia.... where the background textures sometimes most times flicker .......... 9800XT here

racingx · Dec 21, 2003, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
it doesnt happen on my system
tryied it 7 times ... runs to slow with fraps on to get a good movie but its not there on my system i asure u

Hmm strange indeed I wander what diffrence there is in our rigs that would cause this just for info purposes Im running a 9800pro with cats3.10 AGP settings as follows.
AGP FW=On
AGP Speed=8x
AGP Write=On
AGP Read=On

Intel 865pe Motherboard Chipset. (Gigabyte 8iep1000pro)
Latest Intel Chipset Drivers

Svol · Dec 21, 2003, 08:08 PM

I got the same with my Radeon 9700 Pro and the Omega 3.9c drivers (the once based on the offical 3.9 release).
And I get the same problem with my Ti4200 in another PC.

As far as I can remember I've always seen that.

~~Crash Override~~ · Dec 21, 2003, 09:08 PM

The reason why everyone remembers always seeing it there is because its always been there.

Look very carefully at where you are pointing

Look at the surrounding scenery. You have waving fronds of a plant in that portion of the picture that move. When it moves the amount of light being cast on the water changes and causes it to lighten and darken quickly. Its simply a small mathematical miscalcuation caused by the rasterizer. With raytracing that would not happen

Add to that the reason you may not have noticed it before on the old Ti may have to do with the brand that Ti was and the fact that nVidia for the last couple years has had more than questionable tacticts in Futuremark benchmarks for reducing image quality. Something like that may just not get drawn properly which would result in the scene being rendered differently

racingx · Dec 22, 2003, 03:13 AM

Well I guess that sums it up then this has always exsisted and I just didnt notice it until now well thanks for all the replies yall good to know my eyes arent just playng tricks on me again.

Dec 20, 2003, 06:17 PM	#1
racingx DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	cats3.10 and 3dmark01 IQ problem? (pic included) Ok I didnt take any performance gain or loss with these compared to cats3.9 but one thing I did notice is that the distant water reflection textures in 3dmark01 Advanced Pixel Shader test (you know the one with the boat and pier) looks as if they are almost flashing. Now what part im talking about is the water reflection of the distant plants near the beginning of the test as it passes the pier but not the boat yet. Can anyone else confirm this?

Dec 21, 2003, 12:30 PM	#2
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	Hey, you got a good eye there. Yep, I see that too. I wonder if it has always done that though. I'm too lazy to install older drivers to test it out. Is it like a real FAST type of flickering for you? That's what I see. Like you said, ALMOST flashing, but not quite, more like a pulsating or shimmering effect at a very high speed. But yeah, I can confirm that I see the same thing. Anyone else ever notice if it did that before? In another instance of 3DMark01..... One thing I DID notice though is that the pixel shader test with the waves of water has improved greatly for me. Since long before the Catalyst branded drivers, I've had a problem where the last tilt of the camera in that scene would result in the waves in the foreground would kinda hiccup/stutter, but everything else was OK. That is nice and smooth now with the 3.10 drivers. Last edited by Rayder; Dec 21, 2003 at 12:37 PM.

Dec 21, 2003, 01:23 PM	#3
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,864 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	sharp eyes there. i have not tried the benchies on these 3.10's yet,but will over this next day or so. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Dec 21, 2003, 01:45 PM	#4
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	mmm, I have cat 3.7 and yes it does the same thing, so no 3.10 related ^^' also I thought it was normal, like a shimmer effect, I think I was wrong then =P __________________ Oblivion ftw

Dec 21, 2003, 04:12 PM	#6
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	it doesnt happen on my system tryied it 7 times ... runs to slow with fraps on to get a good movie but its not there on my system i asure u __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Dec 21, 2003 at 04:25 PM.

Dec 21, 2003, 03:07 PM	Thread Starter #5
racingx DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for the replies good to know its not somenthing wrong with my driver install or video card itself. Really the only reason I posted it was because it really stood out to me and I dont really remember seeing this with my old ti4600. If this is the only thing that bugges me about my 9800pro than I am not complaining cause hey its just 3dmark01 all my games look and play great with this card so its all good.

Dec 21, 2003, 04:59 PM	#7
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	hmm this sounds like the problem im getting aswell with prince of persia.... where the background textures sometimes most times flicker .......... 9800XT here

Dec 21, 2003, 08:08 PM	#9
Svol DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I got the same with my Radeon 9700 Pro and the Omega 3.9c drivers (the once based on the offical 3.9 release). And I get the same problem with my Ti4200 in another PC. As far as I can remember I've always seen that.

Dec 21, 2003, 09:08 PM	#10
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	The reason why everyone remembers always seeing it there is because its always been there. Look very carefully at where you are pointing Look at the surrounding scenery. You have waving fronds of a plant in that portion of the picture that move. When it moves the amount of light being cast on the water changes and causes it to lighten and darken quickly. Its simply a small mathematical miscalcuation caused by the rasterizer. With raytracing that would not happen Add to that the reason you may not have noticed it before on the old Ti may have to do with the brand that Ti was and the fact that nVidia for the last couple years has had more than questionable tacticts in Futuremark benchmarks for reducing image quality. Something like that may just not get drawn properly which would result in the scene being rendered differently

Dec 22, 2003, 03:13 AM	Thread Starter #11
racingx DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Well I guess that sums it up then this has always exsisted and I just didnt notice it until now well thanks for all the replies yall good to know my eyes arent just playng tricks on me again.