MonarchX

3DProf seems to be the best program for profiles!

Well, what I cannot figure out is how to make it apply different clocks for different game?!!

Meaning - I want to run 324Mhz core and 310Mhz memory on my Radeon 9700 Pro when I browse the net, BUT when I play KOTOR - 351Mhz for both. 3DProf profiles let you make a link to desktop and launch the program at prefered preferences like AA and AF that you chose for that specific .exe.

Can it do the same for OVERCLOCKING? So I launch KOTOR and it overclocks my card to 351Mhz core and 351Mhz memory?!?! Can it do that?

Also - can it switch BACK to 324Mhz core and 310Mhz memory once I go back to desktop?!?!

MonarchX

OK, I found out how to apply clocks to the profile, but how to make it go back to default after I quit the game?!?!

wolfran

first u need to make sure that the current clock is your deafult clock speed as well as your other settings.
Then u need to minimise you 3dprof and right click on the taskbar and profile -> star game (3 in 1) -> choose your game. When you exit the game, 3dprof will restore all your settings to the default (before the profile is applied).

MonarchX

I have to run it in the background? Hope it does not take much of CPU power. Also - it does not detect my Radeon 9700 pro clocks right - it sets it to 276/270 when I click RESET.

wolfran

I think if you make a link to the profile, you wouldn't need 3dprof in the background but i haven't tried that.
which version of 3dprof are you using? Try the 1.2.55. The latest one (1.3.2) seems to have a bug with the o/c.

MonarchX

I am using 1.3.7 - the guy updates it SO often...

Crash Override

Those are 9700 non pro clocks

Are you sure you have a 9700P and not a 9700NP?

Judas

..... um... actually overclocking... you can just load up your clocks... save to profile.... exit... run... but on reboot.. it'll default with NP's (or so i've figured out).....

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TarzanDK

Latest from news.txt

New Features
*** Radeon clocking: R6Probe driver updated. It knows almost all
Radeons now. If your card was not supported and you have installed
previous R6Probe driver, then just install the new one over it.
**** sorry, the new driver had a bug. It is fixed in version 1.3.4 or later.
*** GUI now supports Windows XP styles.

** Bugs fixed
*** Radeon clocking: Wrong clock frequencies on some new radeons

1.3.8 is stable. Only 1 way forward and that is to upgrade

Judas

my radeon is detected wrong ... clock wise... it's detected at 275/225..... which is odd as the defaults are 325/200

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MonarchX

OK, so is there any way to make 3DProf switch to default clocks by itsle fafter I quit the game?! Even if it has to run in the background!

MonarchX

Latest 1.3.8 version did not fix it for me either! Should I get the .MSI installer one or .ZIP one? I always get .ZIP one...

MonarchX

I do have 9700 Pro

wolfran

I always the the msi one.
I can get the card o/c during game and revert back to its original clock after I quit the game.
The way I do this is to set the O/C setting into your profile and then save it. Also make sure that the current clock is your default clock (you can just adjust it yourself to your default clock). Then minimise 3dprof to taskbar. Then right click on the taskbar, select the start game, then choose your profile. Btw make sure that you have the game executable referenced in the profile. So basically the 3dprof is your game launcher.

Hope this help

Tom Servo

A way to reset clock to default would be:
in menu Options | Settings | Auto Restore
enable Load Default Profile Instead Of Restoring
and choose a default profile (you have to create one first) which contains default values for 3D and clocking (or only clocking if you like. Use menu Profile | Templates to make the current profile clocking-only)

Currently, 3DProf only allows you to decide between:
* no restore at all
* restore to previous settings (3D, clocking)
* restore to a default profile (can be any profile without a game-exe)


But I could make clocking more special. ATM it is just another profile setting. I wanted to have global defined clocks like Slow, Default, Fast, Ultra which you can select for a profile instead providing the actual clocks directly. The Default setting could be used for Clock-Reset button too. A checkbox "Restore to Default Clock" in clocking window would also possible.


@Judas

is it only the default clock which is wrong, or does Get or Set provide wrong results?

@MonarchX

The MSI has no advantage over the ZIP. Its just easier to install and prevents you from deleting the installed files unintentionally. The ZIP exists for testing and users who don't like installers.

MonarchX

RESET gives me wrong clocks, the program says GUESSED settings, so I guess its OK, its not a big deal - who needs high overclock when browsing through forums, lol! I have restore disabled, and if I enable it to restore to default profile - will it have to run in the background? BTW - how do I make default profile?

MonarchX

OK, I created the default profile with clocks, settings, etc. Now, I went to auto-restore options and set it to ENABLE LOAD DEFAULT PROFILE and typed DEFAULT there for profile name. What now...I don't get it - it won't let me CHOOSE which profile is the default profile - there is no list, I just type it in! I also have many other optiosns disabled - maybe you could tell me exactly what should be ON/OFF to get this to work right? THanks!

MonarchX

Smaller clock steps thingy is not working either, it won't clock at 348.16Mhz no matter what I try! RadClocker does...

Tom Servo

Sorry for the late reply, it seems that e-mail notification does not work. I have to check that spam filter.


It should be possible to choose the new profile you created from that Settings => Auto Restore => Default Profile combo box list. All profiles not having an executable attached to it should show up in that list.

But I will test it ASAP if it works as supposed. It seems to work on my PC.

In latest version 3.9, I added options in the clocking window to restore to clocking presets. You can configure four presets (Slow, Normal, Fast, Ultra) in Settings => Clocking and choose them to in MainWindow => Clocking to set and/or restore clocks.

They should work without that default profile.

MonarchX

OK, your new version has new features, but it still won't clock 348.16Mhz, it goes all the way to 343Mhz! The restore feature won't work for me either, it does not restore..

Tom Servo

Currently I have not enabled the smallest steps possible. It may hurt stability. In Radclocker you can set the increment manually, so you can avoid problemantic dividers by just not choosing them. I explained it on the support thread at Rage3D some time ago.

Sorry, time for bed for me now.

If you could provide some short info, how you ran that game (Destkop Link or MainWindow) it could be helpful. Are you shure you have enabled restoring in Settings => Auto Restore *and* did not disable it in menu Profile | Auto Restore?

Tom Servo

@MonarchX

about new feature: this was intended for you (it restores clocks without using default profile). But I may have to change that feature after sleeping over it. Its overkill to provide the clock-restore method for each profile, so I may change the restore part of the new feature to global (one setting for all profiles, like that restore to default profile).

about default profile:
* typing in the default profile name should work too. As long as the profile exists it should be loaded. But it should be choosable from the list too, or something is wrong.
* if you make a new profile via Add button without changing any options (like adding an exe) it should show up in the drop-down list of 'Settings => Auto Restore => Default Profile'. It should remain in that list until you add an exe file to MainWindow => Files => Game.

about clock steps: I can compile a special version of radeon_setcllock.exe with smaller steps for you. But there is not much gain in increasing clock by just 1% IMHO.

about nonworking restore: Maybe I missed the point. Do you meant that 'restore to default" thing, or the whole auto restore feature. If you make a new profile and enter "notepad.exe" or some URL as Game-exe, and run that profile, a dialog box should open immediatly. If you hit Ok there, it will restore settings.

wolfran

wow.....nice seeing the 3dprof creator here at driverheaven.

I actually got everything work flawlessly with this 3dprof (including the o/c that MonarchX mentioned). It has been very good to me. There are some comments I want to make though.

1. Somehow I would lose a lot of performance if i change any of the settings in the directx tab. Say if I play around with one of the settings there and then apply it. Then if I change that setting back to its original. I would still lose performance. So I usually ignore this tab to get the best performance. In fact I usually disable all the profiles settings first (right click) then enable only the options in 3d tab and o/c tab that i want to change.

2. After installing this 3dprof, then if i set a profile (I always ignore the directx tab) to run a benchmark like 3dmark2001, then i would lose lots of performance. However after i restarted, the performance would back to normal. No big problem here. It just that it seems to me that 3dprof somehow changes some of the original registry settings of the drivers upon its installation.

3. the gamma setting should have not been put in the directx tab since it works for both directx and opengl (I have tested this). This setting should not need the ati directx settings apply thing. Maybe you could have a new tab for display that can consists of gamma, brightness, saturation. Just like the ATI color tab in display properties.

4. Options about choosing the o/c incremental could also be nice (like the way radclocker does it).

Overall, 3dprof has been my best ATI profiler that i have ever used.
So GOOD WORK MAN and keep up the good work

Tom Servo

Thanks Wolfran.

I'll try to make some tests at weekend about 1 and 2. I made a backup of the ATI registry keys after fresh install.

to 1: This is a bit strange. Does this really includes alle settings on this tab? What about e.g. Gamma or SmartShader? I cannot think of any obvious explanation for this effect. But there are a lot of compatibility options on this tab which degrade performance, like T&L, HypZ, HierZ. Most of the settings can be set to initial (unset) state. There are no changes to registry other than the values you can see in Help | Registry Values. A few weeks ago, I carefully checked registry changes to a new installed driver using Tools | Registry Diff. There was nothing unusual.

to 2: 3DProf installer does not make such changes in registry. In case this does not happen with the ZIP distribution, I could imagine, that the installer service eats up some RAM or CPU on your PC and a reboot cures this. If the ZIP distribution is affected too, maybe it has something to do with .NET. If one installs a .NET program, it will be compiled at first run, AFAIK. This could again eat up some RAM or CPU and the reboot could cure it. But I could be completly wrong about this.

to 3: I'll try to find a solution. Thanks. btw: Saturation may only work for YUV-video-overlay. Otherwise it would be a feature like 'Digital Vibrance' on nVidia cards. AFAIK Radeons do not have this.

to 4: IMHO it would not add enough benefit to justify a Radeon specific (and more complicated) clocking interface. And Radclocker's author does not like others copy his programs anyway.

JesusBlacklock

When I try to start the program, it just eats up all of my CPU and memory, and gets up to a 500MB virtual memory block. I used this program a while ago ( I think around v1.1 ) and it worked fine, but now I can't even start it. I've tried it with 1.3.19 and 1.3.22 and both of them do it. Just wondering if anyone had seen this problem or knew how to fix it. My system is an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ @ 3200+ with 512MB RAM and a Radeon 9800 Pro 128 @ 452/351.

Tom Servo

Hi JesusBlacklock,

which Windows version do you use?

Please download the SFX-ZIP distribution, copy it to desktop and just start it. This will produce a new folder 3DProf on your destkop. Open this folder and start tdprof.exe in it. Also try tdprof_debug.exe too, in case tdprof.exe does not work. (The debug version is not using WinXP styles).

If this does not work:

* you could try to reinstall .NET Framework

If it works:

* uninstall 3DProf via Add / Remove Programs.
* rename or remove the 3DProf folder in program installation directory to get rid of any old configuration files.
* install 3DProf again


In case that does not help, I make a new version wich produes a log file, so we can see, what 3DPros is doing when eating up the memory.

edit: Latest test version 1.3.23 produces a log file "app.log" in program directory. It should look like this:

10:26:57,937: ** entering DisplayInfo.obtain_device_info(...)
10:26:57,953: ** leaving DisplayInfo.obtain_device_info(...)
10:26:57,953: ** entering AppConfig.AppConfig(bool read_only)
10:26:57,968: ** leaving AppConfig.AppConfig(bool read_only)
10:26:57,984: ** entering ConfigRecord.ConfigRecord(...)
10:26:58,31: ** leaving ConfigRecord.ConfigRecord(...)
10:27:00,62: ** entering FormMain.start_gui(...)
10:27:02,234: ** entering ProfileHotkeys.Load(string file)
10:27:02,312: ** leaving ProfileHotkeys.Load(string file)
10:27:02,312: *** in FormMain.start_gui(...): Application.Run()

JesusBlacklock

Thanks for the quick reply. The SFX worked fine, so I uninstalled the installed version and deleted out the directory. When I reinstalled there, it still had the problem. So I uninstalled, deleted the directory, and installed to a different directory, and now it is working fine. Thanks for creating this program, it is very useful. Oh, and I am running Windows XP Pro.

Tom Servo

Thanks for the feedback. I have no explanation for that strange effect yet, but its good to know about this workaround.

This may have nothing to do with it, but just in case you have uninstalled 3DProf by running the MSI installer and choosing the uninstall option there: Please open 'Add / Remove Programs' and check if 3DProf shows up there several times.
It seems MSI installs more than one version if the user chooses "for everyone" instead of "just me" at installation time. I don't know what happens, if one just deletes the installation directory, before all versions are uninstalled. Windows may restore some of the manually deleted files.