Rate Catalyst 4.1

***Veridian3*** · Jan 19, 2004, 08:12 PM

Its that time again, rate the Catalyst 4.1's from 1 (bad) to 10 (stunning)...

No_Style · Jan 19, 2004, 10:24 PM

Out of nowhere! I didn't see this coming

What a pleasant surprise. Uninstalling 2K3 Drivers and on with the FIRST 2K4 Catalysts

What happened to 4.0?

Ooo~ They fixed the Halo shotgun corruption

jimmsta · Jan 19, 2004, 11:07 PM

probably the same thing that happened to the 3.3's... they never came out because there were too many bugs... and I believe they were releasing new cards and R400's at the time, and didn't want to give away any secrets about the new GPU... (In the inf and dll files). I suppose that the 4.0's were tossed due to some sort of bug... ask CATALYST Maker... he probably knows.

No_Style · Jan 20, 2004, 12:49 AM

Looks like these drivers are a great start for ATI to kick off the New Year. What a release! I have no complaints about it at all! Not a stutter in my RTCW! Played a good 1 hour and a half of it. Besides the installation mix up, all is good.

Falstaff · Jan 20, 2004, 12:53 AM

I dont game or overclock, just render with a lot of memory and using heavy apps, and the the Cats are great

purush · Jan 20, 2004, 12:56 AM

I just installed, looks great especially the overdrive. It has two guauges, temperature and overdrive level. It says my temperature as 32 degrees and the overdrive level is 526Mhz.

tornado=[GSW]= · Jan 20, 2004, 01:06 AM

hmm, ET wont work after this , now thats bad, the only game I play and they screw it up, whats with the "they fixed the problem and will release it in the next cat", why not take ur time and fix it, after all drivers are not mission critical stuff u have to release within a deadline.

~~Optimummind~~ · Jan 20, 2004, 01:17 AM

I wonder if the 4.1 have fixed the no AA issue in Rainbow Six 3 Ravenshield. If it hasn't, I'm voting a 5 again.

p0rChM0nK3y · Jan 20, 2004, 01:20 AM

A 5 because of 1 bug?

Warpy · Jan 20, 2004, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tornado=[GSW]=
hmm, ET wont work after this , now thats bad, the only game I play and they screw it up, whats with the "they fixed the problem and will release it in the next cat", why not take ur time and fix it, after all drivers are not mission critical stuff u have to release within a deadline.

You have failed the attitude test

How do you know they (I presume you meant ATI) screwed it up - it may well be your end thats the problem, I think what you really meant to say is........ my game doesnt work since i installed the new ATI drivers.

Its probably your setup, conflicts perhaps with junk on your PC. So please watch your attitude with ya mouth boy!! And pay a litttle respect!! A lot of time and effort goes into these driver sets mate.

Thanks...

No_Style · Jan 20, 2004, 01:38 AM

I haven't installed ET yet since the reformat. Don't see why it wouldn't work..

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 20, 2004, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by purush
I just installed, looks great especially the overdrive. It has two guauges, temperature and overdrive level. It says my temperature as 32 degrees and the overdrive level is 526Mhz.

sweete haven't installed them yet

Quote:

Originally posted by No_Style
Out of nowhere! I didn't see this coming What a pleasant surprise. Uninstalling 2K3 Drivers and on with the FIRST 2K4 Catalysts What happened to 4.0?

Ooo~ They fixed the Halo shotgun corruption

I don’t know why they jumped... I thought maybe 3.11 or 4.0 it a nice to see the version jump like that but it come down to how much the really changes which I'd take from the version jump. That’s they have made some big ones

tornado=[GSW]= · Jan 20, 2004, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Funky Monkey
How do you know they (I presume you meant ATI) screwed it up - it may well be your end thats the problem, I think what you really meant to say is........ my game doesnt work since i installed the new ATI drivers.

Its probably your setup, conflicts perhaps with junk on your PC. So please watch your attitude with ya mouth boy!! And pay a litttle respect!! A lot of time and effort goes into these driver sets mate.

Thanks...

funky I know u have been around for a long time but that does not excuse ur stupidity and ur ignorance, if u take the trouble to read the wonderful release notes and check the known issues, u will see in enough clarity even for blind bats the following statement;

"Significant performance loss is noticed in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. This issue is already resolved and a fix will be available in the next CATALYST™ driver release "

I know the effort these guys put into the drivers and I want them to get applauded for it, why should they release a known problem and then be brickbatted for it.

~~tenndevil~~ · Jan 20, 2004, 03:33 AM

6, never give them a 10, there is always room for improvement.

FiatluX · Jan 20, 2004, 03:43 AM

Its a flying 10 from me !!!

Warpy · Jan 20, 2004, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tornado=[GSW]=
funky I know u have been around for a long time but that does not excuse ur stupidity and ur ignorance, if u take the trouble to read the wonderful release notes and check the known issues, u will see in enough clarity even for blind bats the following statement;

"Significant performance loss is noticed in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. This issue is already resolved and a fix will be available in the next CATALYST™ driver release "

I know the effort these guys put into the drivers and I want them to get applauded for it, why should they release a known problem and then be brickbatted for it.

Try this as it may work:

Remove the video card drivers
Use driver cleaner 2.7 to remove the remains of your ATI dll's
Remove ET
Reinstall the game

Then see if the game works. If it doesn’t then Let "Catalyst Maker" aware of the steps you have taken instead of accusing ATI of causing you problems. Always best to use you’re initiative and do some ground work first bud.

tornado=[GSW]= · Jan 20, 2004, 04:35 AM

ok I accept that, I just got mad when u said i am bashing them for no reason, no hard feelings man

Warpy · Jan 20, 2004, 05:15 AM

Feel free to ask anyone here for help - thats what we are here for, how did you go with the game and the fix i reccomended?

tornado=[GSW]= · Jan 20, 2004, 05:17 AM

man I just reverted to omegas based on 3.10, got too much other work to do, maybe will try it out again once omega comes out with his optimized set

Davidgt · Jan 20, 2004, 05:32 AM

Well to be totally honest I ve never really had issues till this set...... It seems that vpu recover is poping up ever 3 mins ( Ati I hope you enjoy all my vpu recover emails lol .Should have 15 from me now) My card isnt o/ced I havent figured out what the issue is. I am reverting back to 3.10`s . Terry I respect your work and know that you guys cant test on every config Its just for me these drivers arnt doing that well. Guys please dont recommend I do a clean install I have done everything short of reformating. Great job on another fine release Cat Team I know you guys work hard as hell to provide the industry best drivers. Maybe I`ll have better luck on the next set.

If I can help reproduce what ever is going on let me know Ill be more than happy to.

Rig :

axp 2500+( barton)
A7n8x Deluxe
corsair XMS PC3500 C2 (2-3-3-7)
Power Color Radeon 9700 Pro
Audigy 2
Plextor dvdr 8x drive
Lite-on 52-32-52 burner
400 watt sparkle PSU
Windows XP sp1 w/ all updates

Issues:

1) VPU recover going nuts whenever doing anything from playing a movie in wmp ,powerdvd, or just surfing the web

2) 3d preformance droped accross the board. opengl and D3D

Anything I can do to help Ill be happy to.
I am also posting in the other cat 4.1 thread

Rayder · Jan 20, 2004, 06:04 AM

I give them a 7. As to why......well.....see pic below. It has existed since the Cat 3.6's. I have reported it to ATI Feedback everytime since this problem started. recent feedback reports included my workaround that I discovered, which should tell the ATI team exactly where to look for the problem. It's not just a problem with MY system (which has been reformatted since this problem first arose, BTW) because it does it on DIFFERENT chipset motherboards and with DIFFERENT CD sets of the game with the 8500 variations we have here. None of the systems are overclocked in any way, shape or form. Cat 3.5 and older, no problems, 3.6 and newer, this problem.

Before anyone says that they are not having this problem with the game, are you using an 8500? The problem may be 8500 specific, I don't know. This is on the FULL retail version, NOT the demo. The workaround that I have been using since the 3.6's STILL works on the 4.1's and STILL causes NO problems in any other games. I find that interesting.....

dorkz · Jan 20, 2004, 11:25 AM

10 no complaints at all. COD works a dream!

BlindMan · Jan 20, 2004, 07:20 PM

sweet drivers, finally something substantially faster instead of these tiny increments.

some · Jan 20, 2004, 10:38 PM

I have 2600+ (333Mhz), 512Mt DDR and Radeon 9800Pro. Shouldn't that give 100fps without tweaks... I think it should. In worst parts I get only 60fps.

A lots of people have noticed very poor performance in Steam/CS1.6 with radeon cards, and there hasn't came any change to it. Hey, it's the most popular online game here! nVidia cards beats Radeon like 100-0 in CS1.6.

Otherwise Cat4.1 continues the good line that ATI has kept, I gave 9.

Hopefully Catalyst Maker reads this and I would really appreciate if he could take this CS issue to the table with Catalysts.

I've played CS long time and still I would change the game rather than my ATI Radeon. But would love if this fps issue would get better.

Tony420911 · Jan 21, 2004, 07:08 AM

Does this improve COD performance even more than going from 3.9 to 3.10? If so thats a lot and I would consider downloading these, otherwise im going to wait for omega to get his release out. I haven't used a regular ATI driver since like 3.5, Omega's always have a much better looking picture and are always faster

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 21, 2004, 07:24 AM

Got an annoying little error about a help file, I fixed it but it shouldn’t of happened in the first place...other then that its been good to me so far.

razor74 · Jan 21, 2004, 10:38 AM

I just installed and looks amazing especially the OpenGL aplications. I give them a 9 because i didn't see any improvements in D3D aplications.

Okie_Flyer · Jan 21, 2004, 08:57 PM

These really smoothed out CFS3. I'm getting mid 40's on average FPS with 9800 Pro.

This game has never been so smooth and clean.

Logla · Jan 21, 2004, 09:05 PM

I'll go for an 8. They can still be improved - my prince of persia AA problem is still there. But they do seem to have sped a few other things up.

FR4GGL3 · Jan 22, 2004, 03:58 PM

i gave them a five, cuz there is no performance gain (in fact my ut2k3 performes a bit less, about 1-2 fps on average), no stability issue (never had any problems) and they are okay but not cutting-edge!
i'm waiting for the omegas, lets see what they will do

Jan 19, 2004, 08:12 PM	#1
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 4,834 Rep Power: 174	Rate Catalyst 4.1 Its that time again, rate the Catalyst 4.1's from 1 (bad) to 10 (stunning)...

Jan 19, 2004, 10:24 PM	#2
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	What the~! Out of nowhere! I didn't see this coming What a pleasant surprise. Uninstalling 2K3 Drivers and on with the FIRST 2K4 Catalysts What happened to 4.0? Ooo~ They fixed the Halo shotgun corruption __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 19, 2004, 11:07 PM	#3
jimmsta WINDOWS XP. YAY! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 62 Rep Power: 0	probably the same thing that happened to the 3.3's... they never came out because there were too many bugs... and I believe they were releasing new cards and R400's at the time, and didn't want to give away any secrets about the new GPU... (In the inf and dll files). I suppose that the 4.0's were tossed due to some sort of bug... ask CATALYST Maker... he probably knows. __________________ So, I herd you liek mudkips? \| AMD Opteron 185 (2x2.6), 3GB DDR400, 4x250GB WD HDDs, Abit KN8-SLI, nVidia GF6600GT, WinXP MCE, Audigy2 ZS

Jan 20, 2004, 12:49 AM	#4
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	10 Looks like these drivers are a great start for ATI to kick off the New Year. What a release! I have no complaints about it at all! Not a stutter in my RTCW! Played a good 1 hour and a half of it. Besides the installation mix up, all is good. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 20, 2004, 12:53 AM	#5
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I dont game or overclock, just render with a lot of memory and using heavy apps, and the the Cats are great __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jan 20, 2004, 12:56 AM	#6
purush HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada. Posts: 97 Rep Power: 59	New Catalyst Ver.4.1 I just installed, looks great especially the overdrive. It has two guauges, temperature and overdrive level. It says my temperature as 32 degrees and the overdrive level is 526Mhz.

Jan 20, 2004, 01:06 AM	#7
tornado=[GSW]= Compulsive HW Monger Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Baton Rouge, LA, USA Posts: 144 Rep Power: 0	hmm, ET wont work after this , now thats bad, the only game I play and they screw it up, whats with the "they fixed the problem and will release it in the next cat", why not take ur time and fix it, after all drivers are not mission critical stuff u have to release within a deadline.

Jan 20, 2004, 01:17 AM	#8
~~Optimummind~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orange, California Posts: 632 Rep Power: 0	I wonder if the 4.1 have fixed the no AA issue in Rainbow Six 3 Ravenshield. If it hasn't, I'm voting a 5 again.

Jan 20, 2004, 01:20 AM	#9
p0rChM0nK3y DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 179 Rep Power: 0	A 5 because of 1 bug? __________________ Intel Pentium 4c 2.6 @ 3.1ghz (27c idle, 34c load) Asus P4P800 Corsair XMS 2x512mb DDR400 Maxtor MaXline III 250gb SATA150 Plextor DVD-RW PX-716A Samsung Syncmaster 17" Antec Sonata II w/ Antec SmartPower 2.0 Windows XP Pro

Jan 20, 2004, 01:38 AM	#11
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	RTCW works.. I haven't installed ET yet since the reformat. Don't see why it wouldn't work.. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 20, 2004, 03:33 AM	#14
~~tenndevil~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 128 Rep Power: 0	6, never give them a 10, there is always room for improvement.

Jan 20, 2004, 03:43 AM	#15
FiatluX DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0	Its a flying 10 from me !!!

Jan 20, 2004, 04:35 AM	#17
tornado=[GSW]= Compulsive HW Monger Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Baton Rouge, LA, USA Posts: 144 Rep Power: 0	ok I accept that, I just got mad when u said i am bashing them for no reason, no hard feelings man

Jan 20, 2004, 05:15 AM	#18
Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	Feel free to ask anyone here for help - thats what we are here for, how did you go with the game and the fix i reccomended? __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Jan 20, 2004, 05:17 AM	#19
tornado=[GSW]= Compulsive HW Monger Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Baton Rouge, LA, USA Posts: 144 Rep Power: 0	man I just reverted to omegas based on 3.10, got too much other work to do, maybe will try it out again once omega comes out with his optimized set

Jan 20, 2004, 05:32 AM	#20
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	Well to be totally honest I ve never really had issues till this set...... It seems that vpu recover is poping up ever 3 mins ( Ati I hope you enjoy all my vpu recover emails lol .Should have 15 from me now) My card isnt o/ced I havent figured out what the issue is. I am reverting back to 3.10`s . Terry I respect your work and know that you guys cant test on every config Its just for me these drivers arnt doing that well. Guys please dont recommend I do a clean install I have done everything short of reformating. Great job on another fine release Cat Team I know you guys work hard as hell to provide the industry best drivers. Maybe I`ll have better luck on the next set. If I can help reproduce what ever is going on let me know Ill be more than happy to. Rig : axp 2500+( barton) A7n8x Deluxe corsair XMS PC3500 C2 (2-3-3-7) Power Color Radeon 9700 Pro Audigy 2 Plextor dvdr 8x drive Lite-on 52-32-52 burner 400 watt sparkle PSU Windows XP sp1 w/ all updates Issues: 1) VPU recover going nuts whenever doing anything from playing a movie in wmp ,powerdvd, or just surfing the web 2) 3d preformance droped accross the board. opengl and D3D Anything I can do to help Ill be happy to. I am also posting in the other cat 4.1 thread __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Jan 20, 2004, 06:04 AM	#21
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,160 Rep Power: 71	I give them a 7. As to why......well.....see pic below. It has existed since the Cat 3.6's. I have reported it to ATI Feedback everytime since this problem started. recent feedback reports included my workaround that I discovered, which should tell the ATI team exactly where to look for the problem. It's not just a problem with MY system (which has been reformatted since this problem first arose, BTW) because it does it on DIFFERENT chipset motherboards and with DIFFERENT CD sets of the game with the 8500 variations we have here. None of the systems are overclocked in any way, shape or form. Cat 3.5 and older, no problems, 3.6 and newer, this problem. Before anyone says that they are not having this problem with the game, are you using an 8500? The problem may be 8500 specific, I don't know. This is on the FULL retail version, NOT the demo. The workaround that I have been using since the 3.6's STILL works on the 4.1's and STILL causes NO problems in any other games. I find that interesting.....

Jan 20, 2004, 11:25 AM	#22
dorkz Striving to overcome Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	10 no complaints at all. COD works a dream!

Jan 20, 2004, 07:20 PM	#23
BlindMan DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	sweet drivers, finally something substantially faster instead of these tiny increments.

Jan 20, 2004, 10:38 PM	#24
some DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 92 Rep Power: 0	I have 2600+ (333Mhz), 512Mt DDR and Radeon 9800Pro. Shouldn't that give 100fps without tweaks... I think it should. In worst parts I get only 60fps. A lots of people have noticed very poor performance in Steam/CS1.6 with radeon cards, and there hasn't came any change to it. Hey, it's the most popular online game here! nVidia cards beats Radeon like 100-0 in CS1.6. Otherwise Cat4.1 continues the good line that ATI has kept, I gave 9. Hopefully Catalyst Maker reads this and I would really appreciate if he could take this CS issue to the table with Catalysts. I've played CS long time and still I would change the game rather than my ATI Radeon. But would love if this fps issue would get better.

Jan 21, 2004, 07:08 AM	#25
Tony420911 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	Does this improve COD performance even more than going from 3.9 to 3.10? If so thats a lot and I would consider downloading these, otherwise im going to wait for omega to get his release out. I haven't used a regular ATI driver since like 3.5, Omega's always have a much better looking picture and are always faster

Jan 21, 2004, 07:24 AM	#26
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Got an annoying little error about a help file, I fixed it but it shouldn’t of happened in the first place...other then that its been good to me so far. __________________

Jan 21, 2004, 10:38 AM	#27
razor74 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	I just installed and looks amazing especially the OpenGL aplications. I give them a 9 because i didn't see any improvements in D3D aplications.

Jan 21, 2004, 08:57 PM	#28
Okie_Flyer DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	These really smoothed out CFS3. I'm getting mid 40's on average FPS with 9800 Pro. This game has never been so smooth and clean.

Jan 21, 2004, 09:05 PM	#29
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 62	I'll go for an 8. They can still be improved - my prince of persia AA problem is still there. But they do seem to have sped a few other things up.

Jan 22, 2004, 03:58 PM	#30
FR4GGL3 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	i gave them a five, cuz there is no performance gain (in fact my ut2k3 performes a bit less, about 1-2 fps on average), no stability issue (never had any problems) and they are okay but not cutting-edge! i'm waiting for the omegas, lets see what they will do __________________ [color=Green]Yes Sir, I Can Boogie[/color]