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BWX

Well it has been two days since it was brought up. I guess the answer is: we don't get an answer.

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OxfordDon

and the silence speaks volumes....

easyrider

Well fsaa still seems to work, jsut not in ALL games, only doesn't work in SOME games, and some I can see, such as splintercell, if you use fsaa the light thru the windows and doors gets all messed up in that game, but games like madden 2004 just do not work, even forceing fsaa thru the cp. So while fsaa doesn't seem to be exactly broken, it's not exactly working either. I gather from what ati is saying that the game madden 2004, forceing fsaa with it, they had issues with other games, but my question then would be, it took 5 revisions of drivers sets, to realize there was issues with other games, if they forced fsaa with madden 2004?
Also I get that forceing fsaa thru the cp instead of thru the game isn't a good idea, so this leads me to the question, why is there a fsa option to set?

I posted this on another thread, maybe thinking that Terry had overlooked this one, but no answer as of yet on that one either. I would send this question to ati themselves, but it's not really a feedback thing, it's more a question that needs an answer. Anyone by chance have an email I can send this question to, to find out exactly what is going on, and so I can move on with this, cuase I really am curious.

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Junk

i understand that we're waiting for an ATi answer, but has anyone tried the workaround that i posted above?

wolfran

I also agree that the AA setting from CP is not completely broken. I just try NFSU and it doesn't have an in game AA setting so i have to force it from the ATI CP. It still works in this case. So I guess the force AA may only be disable for some games that are certain to have problems with AA.

BWX

I would, but I never have much luck hacking up drivers, if there is a way to do it by installing the 4.1, replacing a file in the install directory, and then reinstalling the driver- I would do it. But I'm not gonna use the exe from one driver for another- or rename the .exe. In that case i would just use the old driver.


Will that fix work if I just take the 'ati3duag.dl_' file from the 317 and replace the one in the 4.1? I t seems like all the other steps are unnecessary.

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dijidiji

Junk, your workaround might be worth trying. But what portion of the driver updates are you missing by swapping out the different version of that file?

Additionally, you *can* have AA in Madden 04 with the newer Cats. As I mentioned previously, changing the resolution in game (anytime after the coin toss works) will force AA. This should not be necessary, but it does work.

Which should bring up additional questions about how and why ATI disabled forced AA for Madden 04.

BWX

It is the opposite in ProraceDriver- forcing AA works until the the game loads the garage before going into a race. I remember in the demo that AA worked with older drivers. I really don't want to install older drivers with all the problems that the newer drivers "fixed"-

I just wish ATI would give us some answers, or at least an explanation- Nor the farcry demo AA doesn't work, but it does with older drivers as seen here--

In this thread- http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=36006


Then I hear "it isn't a driver problem." -well maybe not entirely, but if older drivers allow AA and newer ones don't, I can only come to the conclusion that these AA problems are AT LEAST PARTLY caused by the newer ATI drivers.. Of course they won't say anything so I guess we will keep on guessing.

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BWX

That's my problem with fixing drivers like that- you are messing with the fixes that the new drivers offer.

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easyrider

Are you referring to replaceing the gl or d3d file from an older set, and replaceing it, and putting the older d3d or gl file in place, f the newer one? if so I have to say this may not work in all cases. Such is the case of Call of Duty......3.5 catalyst for me, did not work, so me takeing say the 3.5 opengl file, and putting it wihtin the 4.1's, that would result in CoD not working again, so it's kinda pointless todo that. As for when you replace the files, yes, there may be some things in newer sets of drivers, the older sets don't have, such as gl extensions etc.., so while yes it may fix issues, you are msising some of the newer stuff maybe. I don't know much about disecting drivers, or makeing drivers, so I can't say 100% sure that ati has adjusted the newer drivers with new gl extensions and whatever else. Fact is though, "we" the users, and buyer of the highend cards, shouldn't have to adjust or replace files, to get things to work, that's what the catalyst team is paid for, to make a driver set work, and do what it's spose to, without haveing to replace files, or disect the drivers, to make them work, such is the cae of fsaa, it worked in older sets, it should work in newer sets as well, instead of a work around. I do appreciate, and admire ati and the driver team, as I'm sure it's not easy, finding and fixeing every single problem everyone is haveing, on top of people complaining, but on the other hand I cannot admire and respect, the fact that it works, then it doesn't, and the fact it is a commen thing that has worked and has been there for quite soem time. If it were something new, I can see this, things need time to break in, but we're tlaking fsaa, something that's been around for some time now. I have had many many cards, nvidia and ati, and each haev thier share, but ati (and I hope you all take this as constructive critisizeing, not a cut down), as of late, last few drivers, have well, I guess I'll come out and say it bluntly simply because I cannot see another way to put it.....slacking, and makeing mistakes, wich shoudn't have been mde to begin with. What mistakes? well I will anme some:
-3.6 come out opengl was set at 16 bit, no matter what you set, and if I recall right, Ati themselves denied this was the case
-3.7 come out, opengl is still set to 16 bit, and now ati has confirmed it was a fault of thier own, and the driver team, had set opengl to 16 bit, instead of the 32 bit it was spose to be when setting it to 32 bit
-3.9 comes out, and people with aiw cards cannot play opengl games....this was fixed not with hotfix, but a work around posted by Terry, and has since been fixed in the 3.10 set.
Don't get me wrong here, I am not expecting things to be perfect, because that is kinda unreal hope to have, but what I do expect is for a driver team and/or company to be more thorugh in thier tests, so this does not happen. This along with Terry saying that forceing fsaa thru the cp, is not a good idea, so that leaves me thinking, what good is the fsaa tab to begin with, if we're spose to let the game do it anyways? I keep repeating this, but I don't see an answer, so as said, i guess we will have to keep guessing.

@ dijidiji:
Thankyou for that work around, as I didn't know it exsisted, and/or I didn't see or read it, sorry if it was posted, I jsut missed it I guess. So does fsaa stay on all the time after that? or does it get reset say if a movie or whatever is played, like in other games?

The fact is, it's more than jsut me or a few people, that are noticeing fsaa issues, so it's obviously a problem, and not "user error", and reporting this to ati....yesI have reported it to ati numerous times, and all to get an automated response, so reporting to ati HAS been done, and hasn't been addressed. I have also addressed this, and pointed it out to Terry, in 2 different einstances, and both times I sitll have not gotten a reply or response. No it's not ati's responsibility to reply to forums, that is thier perogitive, but ati reports doesn't seem to be doing much good, so all i have left is to post in forums. I feel I have been patient, and asked in a civilized manner, questions that I feel should be answered, or clarified up, and I intend to keep being patient, because getting mad, flameing doesn't get anything resolved, so I will contimue to wait and check for replies on this, and hope for the best that terry will, in a civilized calm manner, give an answer to this.

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dijidiji

AA will continue to be in effect for the remainder of that game. You will, however, have to repeat the resolution change for each new game you start/load.

If you are playing a season, for example, and play two games back to back, you will have to change the resolution after the coin toss for each game to gain AA.

Edit: I should also note that I began reporting this issue to ATI with the 3.9 Cats. The same behavior can also be seen with the "3.85" leak based Omegas.

easyrider

great, thanks.
This still does not excuse the fact that there is some sort of issue or problem, and since I have only changed drivers, the only thing I can point the finger at is the drivers, since the game itself has not changed in any way.
I just want a clarification on the fsaa thing people are haveing issues with, it's ot just madden 2004, there are a few other games I have seen in forums, that people, more than jsut a few, have said have the same issue as this, so it doesn't seem to be directed at EA games, or any specific games persay, only a select few. Not sure what changed, but I have no other place to point the finger at, since all I did was change the drivers. If you tech a pc, because you are haveing issues, you take one step at a time, and go until you can replicate that issue, then you what? you would assume it's what you did last, correct?, so the same owuld hold true in this case, would it not? I tend to think so, unless I've been doing work on pc's the last 20 some yrs the wrong way.

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tweetah

I installed the new catalyst 4.1 drivers on awin xp pro based sys and I have the overlay issues associated with win server2003. Now I have constantantly have to adjust hardware aceleration depending on apps used. I do a lot ove video editing/endoding with various apps and it is a major hassle. I don't have the time to eff around with driver configs!! How much beta testing was done and on how many configs?

ATI can't you please get it right just once?

bleat

I noticed in another forum there were some users complaining about slower performance in 2D on the desktop and such with 4.1. Has anyone noticed this here?

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germanjulian

why are all games running a little bit slower FPS wise? hope the 4.2 will be a little faster

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JacoCR

I got this problem after installing 4.1. I'm back to 3.8 now. Madden AA works with 3.8, that's why I'm back to 3.8 for the most part.

BWX

2-D performance and quality is top notch w/ the Omega's based on 4.1s, I see as difference after switching form the stock drivers.

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germanjulian

please please proof this!!!!!

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BWX

Prove what? That my 2D screen looks better (sharper and more vivid colors) and that it seems smoother/faster when scrolling web pages, etc..? I don't need to prove it, or even think it's possible or feasible- that's just what I see.

If you don't believe me, uninstall the Cats and install the Omega's and see for yourself.

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vvjustgotwicked

This is actually very very very amusing. I paid $550 US Dollars for a video card because I wanted the best quality out there today. Has anyone seen Madden04 with out AA??? It looks like a playstation2. The jaggies are that bad. We get the answer from ATI TEAM "You should not force AA through Control Panel, only if the game has it in a in game setting"....... WHAT THE HELL. Why even have an option to FORCE 2xaa or 4xaa or 6xaa. Have I stepped into the twilight zone? I also love the "We tried to make Madden AA to work but it caused too many problems with other games" Am I in a different UNIVERSE than everyone else. 3.7's were the most stable drivers of all of them, and Madden AA worked. ALL OF THE DRIVERS AFTERWARDS have caused LOCKUPS, RANDOM CRASHES, etc....just poor, poor, poor, and poor quality. I don't understand the goals of ATI. I really am confused. Instead of stability...I can now use some program to play my games in black and white???
WAS that really needed? That seems like a total waste of programming time. ATI was doing so well with their drivers. They really turned things around, and now its back to the same old b.s., and trying to talk their way out of poor drivers. I hope that NVIDIA somehow finds a way to regain the lead in the Graphics Card Industry. I have lost almost all trust in ATI.

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wolfran

I agree that ATI should improve on their AA in some games. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Catalyst Maker also mentioned that Nvidia cards cannot run Madden04 with AA so I guess Nvidia is not in a better position.