easyrider

I would like to ask Terry, in a civilized manner, about some posts I have seen in some threads, namely one, that hasn't been addressed yet, and would like some carification on this, if possible.
I would like some clarity on this fsaa issue, if it's an issue, with some games. I can only speak for madden 2004 myself, as I don't have the other games some are saying have fsaa issues, or don't do fsaa.
My understanding, from what Terry said is, and I quote
So am I to take this to mean that the fsaa setting in the cp, will no longer be of any use? or will cause problems? If so, then my question would be to that, why do we even have the option to force fsaa if that is the case, wouldn't it be better to just not put the option in?

Another thing that I am no to clear about, is the Madden 2004 and fsaa comment that was made, and I quote
So this again means we are left with the game to do the fsaa, rather than the forceing it with the cp? if so, then again I would ask, why even put the fsaa options/settings, in the drivers at all?

I don't know of many games that have fsaa and/or aniso setting to adjust that stuff, so that leaves us with the driver option of forceing fsaa and aniso to a certain level.

So to Terry, and possibly someone else of deeper knowledge of this, is this "letting the game do fsaa setting", is this what we have to look forward to? is this the future of ati drivers?

Sorry if this sounded crude or wrong, and I hope it did not, as that was not what was intended here, I just simply would like some clarification as to what to expect in the near and long future with games+fsaa+aniso settings.

I in no way know how to write my own drivers, so I don't claim to know about the internal workings of drivers, I can only go from what I have experienced and seen personally, wich is why I only used the game madden 2004, as I do have that, and fsaa does work with earlier drivers, in fact version 3.4 thru to 3.8's all show madden 2004 haveing fsaa when forced within the cp.

I hope this post isn't taken in a bad way.

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as I understand it, some games implement FSAA in a different way or something so setting it on the driver might screw things up. Dont really know the theory behind all thios but I use this rule of thumb and it works well in most cases. If the game has an AA setting in the options or in the cfg file then i set driver FSAA to app pref. else I set it to whatever I can go upto. That should work fine. Though ur question sounds legitimate the tone of the question needs some refinement...


Madden as u mention is an isolated case, I doubt many games will be going that way in future. If they do its most likely to be console ports and you laways must be wary of those.

easyrider

Sometimes it's hard to word things in such a way were it's not offensive.
The game itself doesn't have an fsaa setting at all, as do other games not have an fsaa setting, wich is then left to the driver/cp setting, but from what I am gathering from the statement made by Terry, is that foriceing thru the cp, is not a good idea, and we should always rely on the game to decide, but alot of games don't have that option, so this leaves us with no fsaa at all, as compared to it could be forced on, and in cases such as bf:1942, that works fine, but not with madden 2004. Not sure why, just was getting a solid answer from ati themselves if possible, so I can then move on and know what is expected to happen as far as fsaa goes.

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dijidiji

I have to agree with easyrider, I would love to receive feedback from someone with direct knowledge on this AA issue.

My interpretation of Terry's statements is that the method by which ATI was 'forcing' AA for Madden 04 could cause problems in other software. ATI disabled this method to prevent those difficulties.

But a couple of things confuse me. No mention of this bug/regression/fix is listed in the known issues or changes for 3.9 Cats or beyond. And AA can be achieved in Madden 04 with 3.9+ Cats via an in-game resolution change.

Is there no way to regain this functionality from within the Control Panel? Perhaps another method to force AA? I grow weary of using 3.8 based drivers.

Even a slightly more detailed response than the previous quotes would be greatly appreciated.

Zardon

ive passed this thread info to Terry myself, im sure if he has time he will reply over the coming week.

zerodamage

Terry stated in another thread about the FSAA thing and Madden. Forcing it on in Madden caused issues in other games. I can not remember the thread.

dijidiji

Zardon, thank you for your time and efforts.

Zerodamage, we are already aware of that. Terry's comments are included in the main 4.1 Cat thread. Easyrider quotes those statements in the opening post for this thread. What we are hoping for is some additional information.

zerodamage

And I look forward as well to see what kind of information is provided.

dijidiji

While we're waiting to see if Terry will be able to address this issue, I thought I would add an additional question.

Junk mentioned in the main 4.1 Cat thread that he was replacing the ati3duag.dl_ file from the 4.1 install with the version from earlier Cats to regain AA functionality in Madden 04. What do we give up by doing so? What are the chances of this causing a serious error?

dijidiji

*Sigh.*

I assume we won't be hearing anything about this issue?