Response to DNA’s clams regarding ATI DNA OMEGA article

Judas · Jan 26, 2004, 07:16 AM

...Can't killersneak read these though anyways.... as it's open to the public.....

BWX · Jan 26, 2004, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by Judas
...Can't killersneak read these though anyways.... as it's open to the public.....

That's right, I forgot they changed it-

I'm not sure what happens when you get banned though- not that it matters, he can spoof IP's or get new ones.

Judas · Jan 26, 2004, 07:22 AM

....yeah.. i can constantly switch my ips around.... but none the less.. he can still view this all... and with a new accout... reply to it... I think Zardon will allow the comments without banning him or something IF he states that he is killersneak and expresses his views....and doesn't to the quick handle switching.....

BWX · Jan 26, 2004, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by Judas
.... I think Zardon will allow the comments without banning him or something IF he states that he is killersneak and expresses his views....and doesn't to the quick handle switching.....

I don't know about that- KS has said some pretty rude things to Z, and that's just what I know about.. If I were Z I wouldn't.

But still- Killerthief has his own forum and he can attempt to defend himself all he wants there, and I'm sure he will, LOL.

RIV@NVX · Jan 26, 2004, 11:29 AM

Damn fine response Neon!

I think you handle it perfectly well.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 26, 2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by tenndevil
This has turned into a onesided slugfest, anyone who wants to bash KS/DNA ( i don't use omega or DNA) can it's easy to bash him here, he can't read it nor can he respond to it, take this over to his place and post it, make it fair, this is no better than shooting someone in tha back and walking away, with out even looking him in the eye, talk about fair play. I have read alot of these threads in amusement, how many times is this going to happen? I really have to shake my head and say "we are supposed to be adults". I can see if this keeps up ATI will tell both DNA and Omega to quit tweaking drivers. Oh and as far as what drivers to recommend thats very simple, stick to the cats, because if your card goes out while using either set of tweaks the warranty is null and void period, if you use anything other than the official release it voids the warranty, but this information seems to get lost in the fight.

You can’t discuss anything with killersneak on his web site anything negative about him his driver etc you banned you message edited and you IP revealed!!!! He comes here probably every day as he users multiple accounts and emails. Any one can browse the server it doesn’t require a log in…. He know about this...

this is how killsneak resopnds to anything posted that isn't what he wants to hear...

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Originally posted by atirulez
I don't see the point in posting images of forums with DNA issues. Since it seems to be okay, here's some issues with the Omega drivers I found:

There's lots more.

Dude, you totally missed the point. Did omega come out and say that there are no problems what so ever with his drivers? NO!

DNA said there are no problems with his drivers, and that no one has ever had any error! So it must be something wrong with this computer I’m using. He blames issues caused by his drivers on the user’s hardware! When the omega’s and Ati’s result in not having that issue… There are people that have had the exact same error I had in my review.

Killersneak basically came out and said I made all this stuff up. Well here this thread is proof what was said by me was 101% true. Did you even read the review?

also how many of those people haveing issues a DNA fan or killersneak? ALOT if he does it here then he does it else were.

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Originally posted by BWX232
That's right, I forgot they changed it-

I'm not sure what happens when you get banned though- not that it matters, he can spoof IP's or get new ones.

You can still view the site and most isps change the last bit 0.0.0.XXX on each login... Its really hard to truly ban someone there are always ways.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 26, 2004, 01:09 PM

Also DNA/Killersneak and his lackeys wouldn't even be a topic for discussion here if it wasn’t for them coming, out of no were and with out provocation, on DH and posting fake problems ANTI-Omega propaganda (they do the same on rage3d etc). He then of course says he only reacting to DH picking on him and bashing him? Saying That driverheaven is picking on him out of no were…He came a picked fights remember that. Before that, then there may has only been a few short DNA threads in an over a year. How can we be picking on him when he or his driver are NEVER being discussed get you heads straight!

So you’re saying if I called you an out right liar! Like killersneak called me… And you had 100% proof you wasn't you wouldn’t defend your self? I only posted the truth but he can’t handle the truth so he lies. But, people don’t seem to see it.

WildChild · Jan 26, 2004, 03:09 PM

Again we are going to warn on this thread to keep it civil ....if this can't be done then it will be closed.

BuddMan · Jan 26, 2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by atirulez
I don't see the point in posting images of forums with DNA issues. Since it seems to be okay, here's some issues with the Omega drivers I found:

There's lots more.

Ok, I'm going to have to jump in here. This post was ridiculous. The first link has nothing to do with Omega's work. Problems happened with normal ATI drivers too. In the second link, this does not look like a problem with the drivers, but more like an OS issue, so I dunno why you even posted that. In the third link, this looks to be a VPU recover issue, and someone else with the Omega drivers did not have the problem. The fourth link is about a game problem that has nothing to do with Omega's work (it happens with normal ATI drivers as well). It is caused by the patch that EA released for the game. The fifth link is about the ATI Tool that W1zzard developed. It's not Omega's. He just includes it with his drivers. I have no doubt that Omega's drivers will have flaws (as all do), but please use better examples than these and stop misleading people.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 26, 2004, 05:36 PM

[SIZE=x-large]If you don't think killersneak is a big lier you need only read this... to know otherwise[/SIZE]

zerodamage · Jan 26, 2004, 05:41 PM

KS keeps putting foot into mouth.

webmedic · Jan 26, 2004, 07:38 PM

To add fuel to this a little. I cant say I ever had these issues with him but. I was looking at a time how to slipstream raid driversw into the windows xp install. I had fugured out how to slipstream everything else. At any rate I found a how to on his site that I wasted I dont know how many cd's on trying to get to work. I worked with him on this. After his method did not work at all for all hte hardware I have, I have allot of motherboards wiht raid controlers on them, I started to do it another way. I got just about every raid controler working accept one which another forum memeber at another site posted. To make a long story short he kept hounding me for my work in personnal email which he would then put up on his site as his work.

I dont really care so much I just quit answering his emails.

~~MonarchX~~ · Jan 26, 2004, 07:55 PM

The .INF file does not contain the information about Z-Buffer being set to 16bit - where else would the installer look for that info?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 26, 2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by MonarchX
The .INF file does not contain the information about Z-Buffer being set to 16bit - where else would the installer look for that info?

Like I said before, I’m willing to concede that this was yea another driver/installer bug, but then you must concede that the tests were ran at those setting and that the DNA’s should have scored lower not higher. I have tested this many times on my card that is what the setting come up I’m even set and installed driver over and over it what reads out matches what was posted. Each time changing and displaying to match that driver’s preference/default settings. I don’t pretend to understand it only state that those are the settings that the installer aprently chose by default. Because believe me or not I honestly didn't change them.

If I get enough time set a side I will re the DNA’s tests again. If there settings show different I could alter them to read per what even killersneak says they should default 2 and run the tests again. But it’ll all very time intensive ensuring room temps etc remain virtually unchanged as not to alter the results. I took a lot of care in keeping things as accurate as possible.

I used the omegas once of twice when before I tinkered around before when I tried some over clocking and omega’s had came with radclocker. Really for everyday use I regularly use the Ati official drivers and tweak a couple of the tabs myself I’d never taken such a deep look into DNA’s or Omega’s tweaked drivers.

bocybo · Jan 26, 2004, 09:59 PM

Ugh...If only there was a way to claim false advertising for freeware

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 26, 2004, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by bocybo
Ugh...If only there was a way to claim false advertising for freeware

what ?

kelticknight · Jan 27, 2004, 12:00 AM

look dna drivers no good,ati and omega drivers super,end of story

HsuGotaQ · Jan 27, 2004, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
[SIZE=x-large]If you don't think killersneak is a big lier you need only read this... to know otherwise[/SIZE]

hmmm... kinda odd that I was trying to get Killer* to engage in a normal conversation and he just did as usual. Anyway, at least something good came out of it (damn good job there Neon).

If you need proof of my alias, click here. One of my old nickname / website concepts.

Judas · Jan 27, 2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by briano98
look dna drivers no good,ati and omega drivers super,end of story

at the moment....

best thing said for this moment in time....

BTW... about the 16 bit not being settable in the INF, it could be in there... just hidden in such a way that it's set by not "16..." but by another number....

I'm not sure.... Omega could comment on this... but i doubt he's changed those kinds of settings as there isn't any point to.... ATI's hardware is specfically designed for preformance and quality in how they set it already.... it's kinda like Forcing 16 bit color on a internally forced rendered 32bit Card.... little to no preformance gain... and a bit of degredation of image quality.... but the comparison stops there as internal true rendered cards will increase quality in orginal desiged for 16 bit color apps... not the case with the depth buffers...

~~MonarchX~~ · Jan 27, 2004, 04:12 AM

If its forced to 24 by a PROPER command and then forced to 16 by another proper command - the two entries may contradict each other and create a big error. You all trust ONE person to make a review, and none of you even tested the drivers to make SURE the 16bit thing is true, maybe SSV is right...its all about how many "click" on DH website, get their members etc.

easyrider · Jan 27, 2004, 04:16 AM

Moncarch:
I sent you email, I assume that is a valid email on rag3d forums info, if not please pm me your email, and I'll re-mail you what I had sent you.

zerodamage · Jan 27, 2004, 04:30 AM

This thread has lived longed enough. I thank everyone who participated appropriately and didn't troll.

Jan 26, 2004, 01:09 PM	Thread Starter #37
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Also DNA/Killersneak and his lackeys wouldn't even be a topic for discussion here if it wasn’t for them coming, out of no were and with out provocation, on DH and posting fake problems ANTI-Omega propaganda (they do the same on rage3d etc). He then of course says he only reacting to DH picking on him and bashing him? Saying That driverheaven is picking on him out of no were…He came a picked fights remember that. Before that, then there may has only been a few short DNA threads in an over a year. How can we be picking on him when he or his driver are NEVER being discussed get you heads straight! So you’re saying if I called you an out right liar! Like killersneak called me… And you had 100% proof you wasn't you wouldn’t defend your self? I only posted the truth but he can’t handle the truth so he lies. But, people don’t seem to see it. __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Jan 26, 2004 at 03:19 PM.

Jan 26, 2004, 03:09 PM	#38
WildChild I'm Still Watching Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey,U.S.A. Posts: 1,068 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Again we are going to warn on this thread to keep it civil ....if this can't be done then it will be closed. __________________ Knowledge is SCARY,Stupidity is REALLY frightening

Jan 26, 2004, 05:36 PM	Thread Starter #40
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	[SIZE=x-large]If you don't think killersneak is a big lier you need only read this... to know otherwise[/SIZE] __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Jan 26, 2004 at 10:33 PM.

Jan 26, 2004, 07:38 PM	#42
webmedic DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	To add fuel to this a little. I cant say I ever had these issues with him but. I was looking at a time how to slipstream raid driversw into the windows xp install. I had fugured out how to slipstream everything else. At any rate I found a how to on his site that I wasted I dont know how many cd's on trying to get to work. I worked with him on this. After his method did not work at all for all hte hardware I have, I have allot of motherboards wiht raid controlers on them, I started to do it another way. I got just about every raid controler working accept one which another forum memeber at another site posted. To make a long story short he kept hounding me for my work in personnal email which he would then put up on his site as his work. I dont really care so much I just quit answering his emails. __________________ www.webmedic.net

Jan 26, 2004, 09:59 PM	#45
bocybo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 89 Rep Power: 0	Ugh...If only there was a way to claim false advertising for freeware __________________ Barton 2500 @ 11.0x215 Epox 8RDA+ 1GB Corsair PC3200 ATI Radeon 9800 Pro @ 420/380 SB Audigy Lite-on 52x32x52 Maxtor 120GB ATA133

Jan 26, 2004, 11:29 AM	#35
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Damn fine response Neon! I think you handle it perfectly well.

Jan 26, 2004, 05:41 PM	#41
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	KS keeps putting foot into mouth.

Jan 26, 2004, 07:55 PM	#43
~~MonarchX~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	The .INF file does not contain the information about Z-Buffer being set to 16bit - where else would the installer look for that info?

Jan 27, 2004, 12:00 AM	#47
kelticknight DriverHeaven Knight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: EIRE{great for black stuff ,bulmers cider and Munster rubgy Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	look dna drivers no good,ati and omega drivers super,end of story __________________

Jan 27, 2004, 04:12 AM	#50
~~MonarchX~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	If its forced to 24 by a PROPER command and then forced to 16 by another proper command - the two entries may contradict each other and create a big error. You all trust ONE person to make a review, and none of you even tested the drivers to make SURE the 16bit thing is true, maybe SSV is right...its all about how many "click" on DH website, get their members etc.

Jan 27, 2004, 04:16 AM	#51
easyrider DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	Moncarch: I sent you email, I assume that is a valid email on rag3d forums info, if not please pm me your email, and I'll re-mail you what I had sent you. __________________ P4 3.0 Prescott Corsair 2x512 mem (1 gig) BFG 7800gs oc default 400/1250, to 480/1450

Jan 27, 2004, 04:30 AM	#52
zerodamage HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,478 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	This thread has lived longed enough. I thank everyone who participated appropriately and didn't troll.