The_Neon_Cowboy

Lets start with the accusations shall we....




Now I'll break it down and respond to each...

The_Neon_Cowboy

Those are not what your drivers defaulted to on my 9600XT, after a clean format and install
of XP. An Install of your drivers and a clean reboot, after de-fragmenting, they came up
16bit Z-buffer. Those were not on the setting that was defaulted to you say? So basically
your telling me that your defaults to a higher resolution settings. So that’s either it’s
your setting you used by default or yet another bug in your drivers? Because that with those
settings your driver benefited/got higher results so you’re saying your results should be
LOWER. I repeat again nothing was changed! After even another install those settings still
came up that way again 16bit z-buffer. When I tried your 4.1’s (Which will be discussed
later, on another thread) the setting came up you said their defaulting to. So what was
posted in the review it’s the default on the set tested in my system. Therefore it’s
accurate.

The_Neon_Cowboy

Really, so you know more then the people that wrote the definitions and the experts this was
taken from? I think not. Take a look here for a few quotes from various sources...

If that isn’t enough lets hit your forums shall we?

The_Neon_Cowboy

Isn’t that quite hilarious or maybe it’s just me? But, when someone installs your drivers
and has troubles errors etc. The system worked fine for the 6+ months prior to this testing.
At the end of testing your drivers were uninstalled and installed the official Ati’s no more
issues.. Since that test my system has even had a hiccup. So how do you blame my 100% rock
stable system for problems with your drivers that did not occur with Ati’s or omega’s
drivers? You cant!

Back to the forums...



















That’s just for starters! Forums loaded with plenty off DNA related issues. Even the exact
ones that showed up when doing my review. So to say you have never had a report on error's
would be incorrect …..

The_Neon_Cowboy

Really I didn't?



Let’s take a closer look then shall we....



lets look at the file sizes......



Ok now let’s do another comparison …Lets take out the extra omega utilities and copy
radclocker to the omega folder. You can see the size of the total folders being moved.



Now according to killersneak his should be larger by quite a bit…. That to explain why his
installer package is just slightly smaller then the omega’s even though the omegas contain
more utilities.




Only an 8K difference! That’s much could simply be the difference in the logo’s used. So
the omega drivers are 200K larger and contain almost 4mb more stuff!!!

The_Neon_Cowboy

It's my article what does the fact it was posted on DH have anything to do with it? So that article was independently done by me, and is possibly more creditable then you'll ever be. I have the proof to back it up go ahead stand there and make false accusations. It only makes you look worse. To repeat my self from the articles comments section…




As for you first link dark-tweaker.net in which you are suspected to be directly connected
is hardly a source to be trusted as independent... That site has never posted here except by
killer sneak and his inner circle. Killersneak is quite fluent in German ad believed by many
to be directly involved in that review by more then just a handful of people. Also the test
results the German site was way off in contrast to what was found when I tested. To me I
question weather the benchmark score decided with the pc off or on. Either they didn't know
what they were doing; they did something quite wrong or pulled the results from this air we
may never know. By what I could see it mabe it wasn’t done in a controlled environment. Also
it wasn’t in a professional manner that they took a lot of their screenshots by taking photo
with a digital camera. They got many small things wrong for example the release dates. I'm
looking at it now. They don’t go into much detail or mention a lot of stuff that is apparent
and stands out... Their testing wasn’t nearly as intensive or as detailed as my testing was.
There are rumors about your connection to the site but none are provable at this time. Over
all it’s a fluff piece for Dna drivers.


Link 2 sweclockers.com

Ok at what point was looking at CAT 3.6 based drivers in this review? This site is has
nothing to do with anything that is or was being discussed…


Link 3 a rage3d thread titled Dna 1.8.3.9

You’re linking to older sets of drivers trying to cause confusion. I’m not going back and
testing every single set of drivers that would take forever. This site thread your linking
is has nothing to do with anything that is or was being discussed…Also their your fans and
buddies, beta testers, etc hardly an independent source.


The facts prove killersneak's statements false because the article was/is based on FACTS. So
who's lying now?

HsuGotaQ

<keenu voice> Woh! </keenu voice>

Well executed manoeuvre there Neon.

easyrider

Well that was interesting, but in as polite a way as possible, I'll just say, all this dna vs omega, vs ati drama is getting rather old. Your work is appreciated neon, but can we move on please? I won't get in this debate, but an entire thread of bashing dna drivers, is kinda of a little overboard. I in no way wanna get into this, becuase I personally use what I see fit for "me", and I am not sticking up for Killersneak, or omega, or ati, as I have good and bad luck with all 3 at times.
Zardon, I think it only fair to keep such debates out of driverheaven forums, so as people don't have to read a long post of a soap opera that has obviously gotten outta hand. This goes on enough at rage3d, as well as some other forums, and the whole entire thing just needs to subside or go elsewhere.
It's your forums Zardon, and I respect it thus far, but if this is what I have to look forward to, I shall be movieng on to another forums, because I do really respect this forums, and it's standards, so far.
Neon, I hope you can take this as constructive critisism(if that's how you spell that word), and be man enough to let it lay, and move on with your life. I mean no ill feeling towards you or anyone else, I just request you let it go please. I am hopeing you, Killersneak, omega, and whoever else are better people than to keep dragging this on. It's bad enough it's dragged out on rag3d, don't let this forums stoop to that level to please.

I hope there are no hard feeling from this post.

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i totally agree. i come to DH for technology related news, and the overall atmosphere of the fourms, reading all this dna, omega, ati crap makes me sick, you guys are acting like little kids. grow up.

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zerodamage

There is nothing wrong with what Neon has done here. He was not able to address the accusations from KS before. If you do not like this, then just ignore it and it will float to the bottom. If you are interested, then ask more questions. Sounds to me like Neon has made some valid points and asked some valid questions.

easyrider

Yes, and not to be rude, but I think we got his meaning and thoughts concerning this with his article before this. Does this really have to be dragged out even more? what point exactly is anyone makeing here? other than to prolong and drag this into the forums now. I spose if this is how DH and Zardon are to conduct things, then I won't be frequenting here much anymore, becuase I don't feel this is informative to anyone anymore, it's more a "I'm right your wrong" debate, that I for one m tired of seeing.
Ignore what is in forums practically all week, adn then some, is kinda hard to miss it. I try and be as civilized as possible, so I'll jsut drop it and hope that this passes.
I'de just say let the people decide, if somone wants to use them then so be it, if somone wants to use omega's then that's kewl to, but do we really have to make this a pisssing contest, and drag it on as long as it has been? I'm beyond that, so I will watch and see, and think about resideing elswhere for my forums. I left rage3d for this similar reason, to much argueing and not enough informative info, perhaps this forums has lowered itself to that as well, to bad really started likeing this place too.

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mainman

I totally agree with you bud, its only fair that Cowboy can defend himself from the acusations made by that cartoon caracter thats KS, he made some valid points there, in a polite and inteligent maner. Way to go Cowboy.

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AshG

I hate to say this, but...

You made the choice to read this thread. No one forced you to.

DriverHeaven is a really, really big place with lots of forums and lots of members. This is not the only thing going on. It just happens to be the thing garnering more attention right now.

The wonderful thing about forums is that if there's something you don't like going on, you can start your own thread about something else. Who knows, someone here might be interested and that might become the talk of the town. I know that's a little crass, but you lose the right to complain the second you click the link into a thread.

As for me, I really appreciate the work that Neon Cowboy has been doing, and documenting these screenshots may be the thing that helps some people decide what they're going to do or which drivers they're going to install.

Hopefully, someone will mod these off-topic posts out (including this one) and into its own thread in the Off-Topic section (Split, one of the greatest vB commands ever). I think this thread needs to be kept as a neat and clean resource for those who are interested.

Grab a beer and relax, easyrider, and chill with us all in a non-driver-related thread here somewhere. =)

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zerodamage

The only one dragging it on is you. It is not difficult to just ignore this thread. If you really have a problem with neon posting this thread, you can always leave feedback in the feedback forum.

micron

I enjoy taking part in, and hearing about the happenings in our community...and that includes the topic in which is being discussed in this thread. Thanks Neon Cowboy for taking this DNA driver issue head on....

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Crash Override

I have to say seeing a long time member act like this makes me speechless and leaves me with only one reply

Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Neon didnt ask for your approval. If you want to thread crap do it in Feedback.

He is merely rebuffing what was posted on KSs site. Seeing how he cannot post there in any way shape or form it only makes since to post it here.

Mike do you know what you should really do to get the point across and show its not just a pissing he said/ he said thing?

Cam the whole thing to prove theres no trickery

mainman

Lets just calm down guys, this was all about Cowboy proving is point, lets not carry away.

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Roadee

Just a friendly reminder guys......please keep it civil...

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Rayder

First of all, cheers to Neon for a great thread.

I think some you guys are missing the point, this is DRIVERheaven, DRIVERS are one of the main focuses of the whole sight. It seems perfectly logical to me to have this discussion about DRIVERS on DRIVERheaven.

Now, we are here (mostly ) because we use ATI video cards in our rigs. DNA drivers are for ATI cards, as are Omega's and obviously the Catalyst's. It makes sense that, at DRIVERheaven, we are going to have an abundance of discussions about DRIVERS and lots of testing between them. Just like there is an abundance of ATI vs. nVidia threads.

If you read this whole thread, then I would ASSUME that you were interested by what was being said here enough to read it all. Otherwise, why did you continue to read it? Personally, I find Neon's post to be very infomative, interesting and useful to debate/debunk this KS dudes claims. It will be real interesting to hear what KillerSneak has to say about Neon's arguments.

Of course there are alot of threads about this kinda stuff, it's what we, and DRIVERheaven, is here for.....at least that's how I see it. I enjoy reading this stuff. The more the merrier.

Rock on with your bad self, Neon.

zerodamage

Now lets get back on topic. What do you think about what Neon is saying in his thread? Apparently KS is lying about what he has packed into his drivers. Not to mention his drivers have less utilities and virtually the same size. Any ideas on this.

***Keep your posts consructive without name calling, insults and/or disrespect. Stay on topic.
Thank You

Dyre Straits

One of the pitfalls of being an 'old timer' with lots of experience with Ati and Omegadrive's drivers is that we tend to think that we pretty much know what's going on and don't need a whole lot, if any, direction from anyone else.

We tend to forget that someone, just today, bought their very first ATi card. Man, they are excited and apprehensive about what their brand new 'toy' is going to do for them in their computer. So, they start doing what I did several years ago: They start reading. They come across sites that say there are 'tweaked' drivers that can squeeze more performance out of this brand new video card that still has the new packaging smell about it.

Without the past experience of us 'old timers', they'll start experimenting with these tweaked drivers and maybe they'll have success and maybe they won't. But, what they need is some solid information about what it is they're using.

Regardless of whether DNA drivers do the job or not, I think we can all agree that the author is HIGHLY biased toward them. And, whether you see Neon's post as being informative or biased, it's still a very-well presented bit of information that may help the new users in making their decision as to whom they'd rather trust their new video card to.

I can only say that I'd much rather direct anyone toward someone who handles themselves very professionally and with great civility, rather than someone who tends to rant and get defensive when their work is criticized.

But then, that's just from an 'old timer'.

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mainman

"Old Timers" knows best!!!! Nice post Dyre.

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tenndevil

This has turned into a onesided slugfest, anyone who wants to bash KS/DNA ( i don't use omega or DNA) can it's easy to bash him here, he can't read it nor can he respond to it, take this over to his place and post it, make it fair, this is no better than shooting someone in tha back and walking away, with out even looking him in the eye, talk about fair play. I have read alot of these threads in amusement, how many times is this going to happen? I really have to shake my head and say "we are supposed to be adults". I can see if this keeps up ATI will tell both DNA and Omega to quit tweaking drivers. Oh and as far as what drivers to recommend thats very simple, stick to the cats, because if your card goes out while using either set of tweaks the warranty is null and void period, if you use anything other than the official release it voids the warranty, but this information seems to get lost in the fight.

Roadee

Please stay on subject. ***Keep your posts consructive without name calling, insults and/or disrespect. Stay on topic. ***

Neon is doing nothing more then sharing his findings with those on DH that may be interested. ALL members have this right if it is conducted in a mature and intelligent manor. It is also well known that KS reads these forums, it is after all "open to the public" and no membership is required to read. Please keep your non constructive comments to yourselves.

This is the last time I am going to say this.

Thank you

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tenndevil

They must have fixed this, because when I was banned, it wouldn't let me read any post, not any at all.
@atirulez, if you are going to try to put up some negatives about omega tweaks then I suggest you do a little more research, those are not very good ones to use. especially that last link it points directly at the cats, and even an nvidia is having problems in that thread. find some better ones, those are not good at all, you will find some if you search better.

Judas

uh... the point made was that KS was stating that he had no reports at all of any problems...... neon pointed that out.... we all KNOW that not all drivers work perfectly...

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megatron

The last DNA driver for cat 3.10 worked for me. I don't think they ever did before. I remember imparticular a driver set based on a leaked dell driver which black screened (the same as the original leak). However I'd like to point out that since killersneak can't respond to this barage of comments then I think this is the wrong place to voice these views.

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BWX

Isn't it interesting that the DNA drivers come out right after Omega's AGAIN! LOL--

Keep fighting the good fight Neon, proving Killerthief wrong at every turn -Gotta love it.

I see nothing wrong with showing how Killerthief operates and proving that he steals Omega's work and calls it his own. Rock on. People listen, and they should.
By all means If people are sick of hearing about it, they should just ignore the topic altogether, but there really is an important reason for showing this stuff. Like Dyre said, some people just don't know either way and this gives them some solid proof to make their decision.

edit- Isn't atirulez just another KS account anyway? Someone should check his IP range.

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BWX

Negative-- KS (Killerthief) banned Neon from his site, so what is the difference? I'm sure KS can read this and try to defend himself on his own forum, or under one of his many accounts here.

KS creates many accounts here and uses them to spread lies until he gets banned again, this is fact.

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