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Nice review (more informative then conclusive) could do with a link to the driver sites so people could test outBut looking at the data, here's my comments in the hope you can draw better conclusions next time.
GLXS = 2.4% difference (excl. ATI) Asura lead over Omega = 0.09% small is an understatment (ie they are the same) DNA + Neutral = the same as well so the difference is ~2.4% between these 2 groups. PCMARK = 0.4% your comment - Omegas took the lead here fallowed by ATI, DNA, Neural and then Asura’s. - Hardly, they are all the same difference is negligable 3DMARK = 2.5% your comment - Neutrals took a small lead, ATI’s and Omega’s tied and was followed by DNA and Asura. - only 1 % between top 4! i.e. they are the same, but with Asura lagging behind 3DMARK 2K1 = 1% They are all the same, differences are negligable AQUAMARK = 6.5% only 1.4% between the top 4 conclusion is DNA not so good as the rest, others there is no real difference. If you can repeat the differences of 1%-2.5% over sucessive reboots and runs and load order etc.. then it can be said to be a difference. Under current testing it is just experimental error. Before you go and do that though....I wouldn't. by the time you've finished all the test's there'll be a new set of drivers out  All in all trying to prove there is or isn't a real 1% difference is not worth it. Thing maybe different on a differnt ATI GPU or even CPU due to SSE/SSE2 and other architecture optimisations (HT, cache...) IQ- you mentioned you cannot see a difference. Well then if you cannot see a difference, whatever tweaks that have been done do not effect you enjoyment. In my opinion, looking at great detail is not necessary as you never do that when playing the games If a pixel is out of place, who cares really.Keep it up though, but think more on the conclusions. |
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Like someone said before some game tests would have been nice. After all, who runs benchmarks all the time?
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and did you run each test at least twice? if you only run them once the tests arent validate. i get sometimes 39574 aquamark scores and then I run again and get 37xxx marks.
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Excellent job buddy.
I like the clean and easy layout - very easy to understand too.
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links to all drivers can be found HERE
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Thanks for the concise review Neon Cowboy.
Oh, and the graphs are highly readable (obviously), as accurate comarisons of your numbers by others throughout this thread bear out. 
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Tests need a CONTROL run
Hey...THANKS...Neon
Interesting comparison. In the first benchmark test, I assume those tests actually reflect differences in the built-in tweaks applied to each driver. So, the ATI, would of course be a much lower score. Could you run a BENCHMARK "control test" that would include similar defaults for all drivers? That's an important test in the overall evaluation. One test, where most obvious tweak factors are removed, would allow a comparison, all drivers starting on a level playing field. OR It might be necessary to have an ATI "control" with at least the common data performance enhancing tweaks added in. Thank you for including the download links for all the drivers. It's much appreciated! |
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That is why I asked for image quality comparisons. The only reason any "tweak drivers set" would have difference performance than CATALYST is because of degraded (or upgraded) image quality settings. Things you can do with our control panel. |
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nice work!
IMO tweaked driver sets only come in handy when there are stability issues with a new official release. Omega's have filled in for me once when I wanted to take advantage of a new feature and the ATI drivers were buggy with my favorite game. I do not see the benefit of a minimal performance increase by running 'tweaked' drivers, but, to each his/her own.
I liked the review and could interpret the graphs without a problem, but, hey, constructive criticism shouldn't hurt, add some percentages next time... P.S. I'm still banging away with my 8500, no need to tweak or upgrade yet... |
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Very nice, well laid out post/review, The_Neon_Cowboy
Guess I shall have to do alittle experimenting to figure out which is best for me. Thanks again |
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To me it's the mobility compatability that forces me to use the 'tweaked' drivers. (as you see difference is minimal) Although the rotation doesn't work with Omega (only one I tried) on Dell Insiron 4100 - M6 - 1400x1050, it will not rotate But even when it did work (officail Dell ones I think)the 'mouse tracks rotation' never worked, it always tracks with rotation, which I don't want 
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neon ,great survey as usual,keep up good work,the majority of people like your reports,there will always be few who find fault,this is part of freedom of speech,can't keep everyone all happy,but super report
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 .... i still post some more on the two newer sets and that'll be about it till every one gets a 4.2 based set out
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Neutral readme
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Where are the ATI agreements? At first look I’m not seeing the original licenses. Only ATI’s and Omegas have their legal licenses intact!! DNA, Neutral and Asura appear not to have them displayed or even stored anywhere. Except the neutrals do have at least a mention. Each driver should have that original un altered license included and displayed. Other wise they are breaking international copyright and trademark laws!  The ATI Agreement Quote:
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    This isn't all the screens but you get the idea. |
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      I especially like the anime in the installer!
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Feb 13, 2004, 08:05 AM
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ATI resolutions
 Custom resolutions They all are using the same as custom resolutions omega (  that omega wrote/came up with from scratch) But omega has just released a new feature in his last set, an option of the custom resolutions at 60Htz. Which so far only DNA, has added that in his revised set about a week or so later. To date no one has ever asked Omega permission to use these resolutions or given him any credit for them. That’s really not acceptable behavior.
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Asura Default settings left…........................................... .............................................. Neutral Default settings right…
   
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Yes, I hate seeing ATI just standing there with their pants down while all the other guys steal omega's work and not put in the EULA. Omega does everything by the book and that's how it should be.
ATI needs to enforce it and if they don't put in the EULA. Contact them to take down their drivers until they do. They are running over ATI and ATI is letting them do it. So, no one is to blame except ATI is the matter. They can keep the EULA out as long as they want, cause ATI won't say anything. Which I find to be a lack of good business pratices. If someone is screwing around with my work, the way they shouldn't be doing. I would do something about it. Just take care of the problem before it gets any worse.
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I have emailed the authors of the Asura and Neutral sets about this and many other things and have been waiting on responses for quite some time. As for DNA he was told by Terry Makedon himself. But I don’t think anyone wants to stamp on these community driver modifiers. Personally I think they really should be working a lot more closely with ATI. (BTW cool siggy)
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I doubt you will hear from the other people, that's just common sense. I think ATI is working closely with driver mod people (Only Omega). Because he goes by the book and he knows what he is doing. How many others are beta testers? Well, ATI recommends using Omega's as modded drivers, and if ATI trusts to use his drivers. Then, why should we trust the other guys. I remember reading in the forums about Killer's and Terry's agurment. Terry was saying he wouldn't even think about using DNA's on his machine. I guess the real problem is, it's hard to find any driver mod people, because only 1 person is doing the right thing.
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