[slickher1]

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

the poll isn't the best result or any real indicator to me atm... people that are reading and voteing with not even bothering to install....alot of people giveing it bad number according to it requireing .net. alot of people were ready to gripe before it ever touched thier system....it's not getting a "fair shake".. especailly people crying about it useing more reourses. It not a generic windows tab. It's it own program, the direct 3d car demo, with skins etc takeing up memory.. that plus people love to complain.... It just the 1st public release.....

I think there is a reason people are complaining about the resouces.If I only had 512 mb of memory and I turned on a game,how well would the game run when the new CP is using alot of the resouces?

[Maniak]

Originally Posted by slickher1

I think there is a reason people are complaining about the resouces.

Yeah, they see the numbers but don't know anything about it.

Originally Posted by slickher1

If I only had 512 mb of memory and I turned on a game,how well would the game run when the new CP is using alot of the resouces?

First, it doesn't use a lot of the resources. Second, a lot of people still have much less than 512MB, so it would be a big problem if it was a resource hog. But it's not, so there's no problem. Read more of this topic, it's already been explained many times.

[BWX]

I still have seen no proof that it releases all the memory it "says" it is using if a memory hungry app like DoomIII is running.. Or how much more it uses than the regular CP. I've also seen many supposed "experienced users" benching video cards in systems with 512mb of ram using DoomIII and Farcry with IQ maxed out and they think that their results are going to be consistent while the stupid computer is using the HD all the time... Those people would argue to the death that it doesn't matter too. Beyond the supposed "memory hog" problem, the thing is buggy as hell, slow, and for half the people out there, doesn't even work.. I think it's getting a fair shake. People are voicing their opinions about a "beta" buggy program.. What are they supposed to say? It's perfect? If someone has problems with an app. it's not always that person's fault. That's all I'm saying.

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally Posted by slickher1

I think there is a reason people are complaining about the resouces.If I only had 512 mb of memory and I turned on a game,how well would the game run when the new CP is using alot of the resouces?

just fine..... unless you don't have your swap file enabled becouse that were most of ccc's resousrse useag is... you virtual (hdd) memory not your ram

Originally Posted by BWX

I still have seen no proof that it releases all the memory it "says" it is using if a memory hungry app like DoomIII is running.. Or how much more it uses than the regular CP. I've also seen many supposed "experienced users" benching video cards in systems with 512mb of ram using DoomIII and Farcry with IQ maxed out and they think that their results are going to be consistent while the stupid computer is using the HD all the time... Those people would argue to the death that it doesn't matter too. Beyond the supposed "memory hog" problem, the thing is buggy as hell, slow, and for half the people out there, doesn't even work.. I think it's getting a fair shake. People are voicing their opinions about a "beta" buggy program.. What are they supposed to say? It's perfect? If someone has problems with an app. it's not always that person's fault. That's all I'm saying.

I had an atical but now that they have released 4.9's and the new cp i have to do another run again again to get my numbers ... re do my charts and narration....

[BWX]

Hey man I will believe if I see- I just had to go outside and drive around for a few days-- All behind on reading stuff.. I'm gonna post a big whining crying little bish rant about the 4.9 CCC, so look out for it.

[petri1]

i tryed the day before yesterday to test timedemo in DOOM3 and in ultra settings i got 47fps no shadows 62fps so i see no probs with the new CP but that´s just me

[BWX]

Originally Posted by petri1

i tryed the day before yesterday to test timedemo in DOOM3 and in ultra settings i got 47fps no shadows 62fps so i see no probs with the new CP but that´s just me

The timedemo in Doom3 doesn't use any of the calculations needed to actually run the game- it is not a true representation of actual gameplay-

Plus you probably never tweaked WinXP and disabled all those unneeded services, so you wouldn't notice the difference all those extra services running in the background make.. Unless you are running home networking on that PC, then some of them are services you actually use anyway.

[HawK]

Quoting from the 4.9 release thread
Put the quote here in this thread since it is about the CCC

Originally Posted by BWX

Ahh HAaaa!!
That's the problem here- I'm not setting everything to default "all services on all the time" Microsoft default Style of running XP- also less secure by the way, especially for always on connections like my cable connection..

Just because most people have no idea how to tweak XP for peak Gaming performance and install this control panel, then see no difference in "real" mem usage and gaming performance doesn't mean I won't when I have to turn on all the extra services I had turned completely off and disabled for the past 3 years, over many installs of WinXP.. No thanks, not for a registry editor. Unless of course it is just a few select services that ATI say need to be running. I'll wait to hear from them on this one. otherwise no CCC for me.
I knew there was a catch.

Dunno these are my runnin services, before I installed the CCC..

COM+ Event System
Cryptographic Services
DCOM Server Process Launcher
DHCP Client
Event log
Network Connections
Plug & Pray
Protected Storage
RPC
Security Accounts
Shell HW detect
Sys.Event
Themes
Windows Audio
Windows Managem. Instrum.

All other services are on manual & stopped except for..:
clipbook
fastuserswitch
help & support
Human interface d.
netmeeting remote
Net meeting DDE
Net meeting DDE DSDM
Portable Media Ser. Number
Qos RSVP
All 4 Remote cr@p services (except RPC)
routing & remote Access
Secondary logon
SSPD discovery
system restore serv.
Task Scheduler
TCP/Netbios
Telnet
Terminal serv.
Universal P&P
Webclient
Wireless Zero Conf.
WMI performance Adapt.
...Which are all disabled

So after install the .net 2.0b, I had 2 more services runnin ASP.adminserv. & Com+ system Application
which I both put on manual and stopped those services.

installed the CCC, restarted then checked my services non extra are runnin
and the CCC had no trouble running.. both CLI.exe's are using total of 8kb
So i dunno ...

[Datagg]

I really like them. Counter strike source beta is more crisp, faster, just all around sharper and the speed is up also, seems to flow better. All the games i own are crisper in colors also. Control panel is slick to say the least, and adds to the feel of the performance notch that I have seen. Dont notice any " Hogging " of resources that some are saying here either. I love em, great job ATI.

[AIW Guru]

Originally Posted by Datagg

I really like them. Counter strike source beta is more crisp, faster, just all around sharper and the speed is up also, seems to flow better. All the games i own are crisper in colors also. Control panel is slick to say the least, and adds to the feel of the performance notch that I have seen. Dont notice any " Hogging " of resources that some are saying here either. I love em, great job ATI.

Sorry but control panel didn't make your CS faster and your colours crisper. It's not a driver. Maybe you downloaded the new Cat 4.9 with the new CCC.

[petri1]

this is funny this last 20mins or so i start up CCC and it hangs nada happens i am PISSSED OFFF coz it worked fine earlier today and now it won´t start at all why and why in the name of behejaaas does something called PREVIEW.EXE start a process or TWO and still the CCC won´t start
some one help me understand why it dies on me i can´t change SHIT now in the cards CP due to this malfunction these kind of things makes me boil and i swear i will never use it again unless there is a way to stop it from hanging like this

HELP me PLZ

AND now both CLI.EXE and PREVIEW.EXE uses CPU power why???

and if iget to make changes after apply it hangs i am on the brink of forget tit it´s a freaking computer but one of mankinds weirdiest inventions they are hardly worth the trouble they cause and cost way too much for they ain´t worth it you get less fun out of them than trouble that is my opinion but still they are needed that makes me even more angry on computers bah

i have scanned winfows system 32folder no viruses neither in documents adn settings niether in any ati folder and preview only strarts when the CCC is on but any changes made makes it to freeze and that is when preview and CLI start using cpu why is that?

[AIW Guru]

HELP me PLZ

AND now both CLI.EXE and PREVIEW.EXE uses CPU power why???

CLI is a component of the .net framework.
Preview.exe is the car that you see. It's D3d and OpenGL.
Anyway, make sure you've installed the .net sp1 and update to the 4.9 cats that were released yesterday. They have a much nice CCC.

[petri1]

i have frmaework 1.1 installed i use a Swedish WIN XP so well anyways it is 4.9 and the CCC is the one bundled or included sort of speaking well now i know preview is the car feels good to know

[Datagg]

Originally Posted by AIW Guru

Sorry but control panel didn't make your CS faster and your colours crisper. It's not a driver. Maybe you downloaded the new Cat 4.9 with the new CCC.

That is correct. I assumed that would have been the given. Sorry for the confusion, yes it was the entire package.

[MindlessOath]

omg /me smaks forhead so sad to see some peoples posts

anyways i was seeing some major studdering in unreal2k4 with 4.8 and CCC... i have to update to 4.9+CCC next week on this CPU... so i will check that out later to see if it fixes it. tho many people are saying to do a format before installing 4.9+CCC for less problems.

[popa lazarou]

hi fellas,
i installed the new 4.9 ccc. Some people might say its too big a download, and yes i would agree. After playing with it for a while and testing out a few games like doom3 and ut2k4 i have to say i dont think they perform as well as the omegas(4.8). My biggest gripe though has to be the refresh rate. I pissed around with it for ages and do you think i could get 120hz at 1280x960, or 85hz at 1600x1200( most needed for ut2k4). In the end i just uninstalled them, too much faffing around. I mean its a control panel for christs sake, all i wanna do is set everything to max and get the game on, i dont really find the natty grafix of the ati car in the cp any use at all either, its just willy waving, it just wastes space. I wish someone would put a tool on the drivers so that when you install them you can choose the option to set the refresh rate to the max for any chosen resolution, is that too much to ask????????????????????.

[BWX]

I wish someone would put a tool on the drivers so that when you install them you can choose the option to set the refresh rate to the max for any chosen resolution, is that too much to ask????????????????????.

Yeah I have wanted that for a long long time.. Even back when I had an Nvidia card I wanted that for the NV drivers..

There are 3rd party programs that do exactly what you want, but for me I have found that they cause more problems that they are worth.. If they work at all- the last one I used ( http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/ ) caused a lot of stuttering in games and quit working after a driver update- I haven't used one for a long time.. I too wish ATI would put that feature in the drivers, if it's possible.

[Maniak]

Originally Posted by AIW Guru

CLI is a component of the .net framework.

Er... no. The CLI is the Common Language Infrastructure of .NET. CLI.exe is part of the CCC (a big part, seeing the number of dlls that are named after it )

[HawK]

Originally Posted by BWX

Yeah I have wanted that for a long long time.. Even back when I had an Nvidia card I wanted that for the NV drivers..

There are 3rd party programs that do exactly what you want, but for me I have found that they cause more problems that they are worth.. If they work at all- the last one I used ( http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/ ) caused a lot of stuttering in games and quit working after a driver update- I haven't used one for a long time.. I too wish ATI would put that feature in the drivers, if it's possible.

That is why I use (from the same programmer) refreshlock, http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rl/ (press features) this one is a bit harder to set, but once it's done it can be used until one changes his monitor, totaly independed of driver of G.Card and no registry use/changes, after unpacking put it to another than your system partition and start it from there, then you can use it with the same settings even after a format.

[Tiribulus]

Originally Posted by Maniak

, 20MB are for .NET, and if you didn't have to download it for this app, it would be for something else later. It will be used by more and more applications, so once installed you won't have to think about it for the next app.

It WILL NOT be used my me EVER for ANY application. The day ATI forces me into this I'm a return Nvidia customer, if they do it too my gaming/performance days are over. It's Linux all the time. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from dumping windows now anyway. That would be the last straw. I wiil not run a local (cmon, local?) client/server platform, just to run a driver interface for God's sake, nevermind regular apps. Besides R3D Tweak, Powerstrip and Riva Tuner all make a hilarious joke outta CCC for actually meaningful configuration anyway. R3D Tweak is under 2 megs people and offers an order of magnitude more meat without the paint and jeweley and does it with almost no resource utilization and without .net. Are we really losing all site of what the performance game is all about? I'm not forking over better than a weeks pay for an obscenely priced video card so I can have a neato interface. I WANT LEAN MEAN POWER which in turn provides the juice for tasty IQ. Gadgets don't sell cards, or if they do I've outlived my welcome in this sport.
>>>--Tiribulus->

[Chaos]

Originally Posted by Tiribulus

It WILL NOT be used my me EVER for ANY application. The day ATI forces me into this I'm a return Nvidia customer, if they do it too my gaming/performance days are over. It's Linux all the time. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from dumping windows now anyway. That would be the last straw. I wiil not run a local (cmon, local?) client/server platform, just to run a driver interface for God's sake, nevermind regular apps. Besides R3D Tweak, Powerstrip and Riva Tuner all make a hilarious joke outta CCC for actually meaningful configuration anyway. R3D Tweak is under 2 megs people and offers an order of magnitude more meat without the paint and jeweley and does it with almost no resource utilization and without .net. Are we really losing all site of what the performance game is all about? I'm not forking over better than a weeks pay for an obscenely priced video card so I can have a neato interface. I WANT LEAN MEAN POWER which in turn provides the juice for tasty IQ. Gadgets don't sell cards, or if they do I've outlived my welcome in this sport.
>>>--Tiribulus->

They are not forcing you to use it. It is an optional component installed at the end users discretion. It just happens that it requires the .NET framework installed to function

[swatX]

Originally Posted by Tiribulus

It WILL NOT be used my me EVER for ANY application. The day ATI forces me into this I'm a return Nvidia customer, if they do it too my gaming/performance days are over. It's Linux all the time. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from dumping windows now anyway. That would be the last straw. I wiil not run a local (cmon, local?) client/server platform, just to run a driver interface for God's sake, nevermind regular apps. Besides R3D Tweak, Powerstrip and Riva Tuner all make a hilarious joke outta CCC for actually meaningful configuration anyway. R3D Tweak is under 2 megs people and offers an order of magnitude more meat without the paint and jeweley and does it with almost no resource utilization and without .net. Are we really losing all site of what the performance game is all about? I'm not forking over better than a weeks pay for an obscenely priced video card so I can have a neato interface. I WANT LEAN MEAN POWER which in turn provides the juice for tasty IQ. Gadgets don't sell cards, or if they do I've outlived my welcome in this sport.
>>>--Tiribulus->

okay so if i see you use any .NET apps then i will get a 12 guage (pump shotty)from walmart and shoot you .

[Tiribulus]

If it stays that way, fine. i don't even care if it runs a swiss watch, I will never use CCC or .net. There's nothing I do that Linux can't do better than Windows except run games. Ever been out and seen a really " portly " (read fat) women walk by in tight dress. Looks like a coupla kids wrestling under a blanket. That's what this package reminds me of. Jigglin, waddling, dead weight. Doesn't even do it's purported job one tenth as good as programs one tenth it's size requiring one tenth the juice. I read the chat interview linked off of R3D's home page and it sure smacks of a weening session to me. Like I said there, I love my ATI cards and would be all too happy to be here a year from now in abject repentance, but I can't help sensing a forcefeed coming here. BTW, I have in the past been one of ATI's unsung champion's convincing many who put stock in my experience, especially here where I live, to jump the Nvidia ship and buy an ATI card after spending the previous three years beating them over the head with Voodoo, TNT and Geforce parts. I'm not a whining naer do well who can't wait for something to comlain about. Smartshaders started the ship turning, but this has gone way outta hand with all the mud being slung upon a simple set of video drivers.
>>>--Tiribulus->

[Tiribulus]

Originally Posted by swatX

okay so if i see you use any .NET apps then i will get a 12 guage (pump shotty)from walmart and shoot you .

Any that require it be installed on my systems and I'll save you the money. My Winchester 1300 defender will do fine and I won't need it anymore anyway Never, in it's present form will I ever use .net. The whole idea is efficient for everything except performance. Makes developers lives easier, allows easy use of different protocols and languages under one platform enabling the endless linking of different communications technologies (any security concerns here), but all using a compile on the fly, client/server model that puts a realtime buffer between apps and between apps and the os reeking of operating inefficiency. Read slower. None for me I'm drivin.
>>>--Tiribulus->

[MindlessOath]

Originally Posted by MindlessOath

omg /me smaks forhead so sad to see some peoples posts

anyways i was seeing some major studdering in unreal2k4 with 4.8 and CCC... i have to update to 4.9+CCC next week on this CPU... so i will check that out later to see if it fixes it. tho many people are saying to do a format before installing 4.9+CCC for less problems.

the 4.9 and new CCC sorta fixed it, tho i havent patched unreal2k4 past its retail install, i still encountered some lag type of movement in singleplayer tho it was NO WHERE NEAR as bad as it was. so 4.9 fixed it. i havent even softmodded these yet

Originally Posted by Tiribulus

It WILL NOT be used my me EVER for ANY application. The day ATI forces me into this I'm a return Nvidia customer, if they do it too my gaming/performance days are over. It's Linux all the time. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from dumping windows now anyway. That would be the last straw. I wiil not run a local (cmon, local?) client/server platform, just to run a driver interface for God's sake, nevermind regular apps. Besides R3D Tweak, Powerstrip and Riva Tuner all make a hilarious joke outta CCC for actually meaningful configuration anyway. R3D Tweak is under 2 megs people and offers an order of magnitude more meat without the paint and jeweley and does it with almost no resource utilization and without .net. Are we really losing all site of what the performance game is all about? I'm not forking over better than a weeks pay for an obscenely priced video card so I can have a neato interface. I WANT LEAN MEAN POWER which in turn provides the juice for tasty IQ. Gadgets don't sell cards, or if they do I've outlived my welcome in this sport.
>>>--Tiribulus->

nvidia is working on the same thing using .net from what i hear too. so .... if u turn to nvidia then ur at the same spot. btw its OPTIONAL... just no additions are going to be made for the current old control panel. so u will be left in the dust. and how many games u play for linux? i know what i use linux for actually FreeBSD, u know why i use BSD? cause freaking *nix is mainly for networking, much like CLIENT SERVER, HENCE WHAT IS .net? u said it yourself... didnt u? client server type coding. well its more than that i know i know... and new improvements and performance will be intergreated down the line, so u will be left in the dust when ur not using it in the future. argh /me was mad.

i myself would look down appaun a developer if u was going to use .net for making something stupid - such as modding tools for a game for people, or something stupid of such, but for this occasion i think its a good idea, and its NOT going to change, they provide you with the old control panel if u want. or u could continue to use linux... hell you dont even have to use the control panel of any type. u could just use shortcuts to change regkeys to your spacific requirements whenever u want.



for those of u asking about size of downloading drivers...
Display Driver: 8.40MB
CATALYST Control Center: 19.9
thats all i downloaded, installed, and all is good. ~ 29mb or so, not bad. if u want the old control panel back download it too 10.8mb.

[ronnn]

So am I an idiot? I am beginning to like the new control center. Not sure why though except that I am becoming interested in learning how to do presets and load set up tweaks, etc. I should add that the games I am playing continue to work great as usual. I just never seem to get those major driver issues.

[Zardon]

Originally Posted by Tiribulus

There's nothing I do that Linux can't do better than Windows except run games.

Quite a major thing though isnt it if you are a gamer?

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Tiribulus

It WILL NOT be used my me EVER for ANY application. The day ATI forces me into this I'm a return Nvidia customer, if they do it too my gaming/performance days are over.

Good becouse aprently you don't know nvidia is working on a .Net
control panel responce to ccc, so looks like your "SOL"

Originally Posted by Tiribulus

There's nothing I do that Linux can't do better than Windows except run games.

Thats seroius for most of us...



how about the ease of use and the facts windows software is way more common just blows linux away

[croky]

What the press thinks,
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18312

croky

[The_Neon_Cowboy]

Originally Posted by croky

What the press thinks,
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18312

croky

http://www.theinquirer.net is not ecaxtly "the press" and they have been flameing ATI for several mouths now and praseing nvidia, so much it's become a bias resourse

btw if you used .net 2.0 no update is required and it roughtly the same size as .net 1.0