CM :Any word on the ATI ,Punkbuster issue?

jhillestad · Nov 3, 2004, 04:20 PM

Maybe its SATA drive related , you intel guys that are having this problem are you using a sata drive ?

There has to be a link , its looking more like ati than ever.

But since I switched to nvidia its all behind me now. Ati is now in my dog house when it comes to buying new gear from them. MSI is forever in my dog house and will never see a dime from me again.

H82LUZ · Nov 5, 2004, 12:10 AM

I have this problem since the cat 4.10 ,All other games I play work ,Just go online with COD and 3 mins later hard locks .Never had the problem with cat 4.9 .
System Spec
ASUS A7V8X-X
AMD 2500+ @ 3200+
ATI 9600XT (cat 4.10 drivers ,only using them for CSS )
Audigy 2 ZS newest drivers .

ToP3koms · Nov 5, 2004, 12:49 AM

Check out this thread if you read post #88 I believe our fix is on the way or at least hopefully.If you read further into it you'll find just how much crap CATALYST maker is prepared to go through to get fixes out,I'm simply amazed.That guy should get a raise.

H82LUZ · Nov 5, 2004, 04:02 AM

Sweet should be in 4.11 then from what I read . Thanx dude .

MindlessOath · Nov 5, 2004, 08:33 AM

it kinda suggests that the fix for 256mb will be fixed from what u questioned, and he replied. im unsure if that means these quake + punkbuster things are being tested and worked on.

just from those two posts i read (87 & 88)

correction, post # 109 & 110 actually do alot better, tooks some time of reading tho

jhillestad · Nov 5, 2004, 06:14 PM

This is from the Inquirer website:

ATI to fix Punkbuster problem in 4.12

Mid December

By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 05 November 2004, 16:52

MANY OF MY gaming friends told me that there is a serious problem with 4.10 drivers and games that use this tool. Many servers are using it to prevent cheats during a game play.

The list of affected games appears to be quite long. Call of Duty, America's Army, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Enemy Territory, Far Cry, Joint Operations, MOH Pacific Assault, Quake 3 Arena, Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield, RTCW, Soldier of Fortune II and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow are affected.

In a usual scenario, a game will hang after half an hour of playing and up to now the only solution is to downgrade to earlier drivers. Catalyst 4.9 doesn’t have a problem with this tool as far as we know.

ATI said that it is aware of the incompatibility and has already finished a beta driver that is fixing the problem. ATI is still testing it and will release the beta as soon as its ready enough.

This bug will be fixed in Catalyst 4.12 - that will come in early to middle of December.

While we are talking about Catalyst we should mention that Rage 3D will have an IRC chat with ATI's Matthew Tippet, a software manager for Linux to answer your questions. This will take place on Thursday Nov 11 at 4-5 pm EST. µ

jhillestad · Nov 5, 2004, 06:18 PM

Here's the thread:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19501

looks like ATI is to blame for my headaches with punkbuster. I have had none since moving on to the Nvidia 6800GT so I will be very gun shy about buying an ATI card ever again.....

If they would have at least acknowledged the problem i would have held off on the nvidia but out of sheer disgust I gave up on them.

MindlessOath · Nov 5, 2004, 08:25 PM

well thats not entirely true man... as you can see other nvidia folk have also had the problems too. ATI always makes work arounds for other peoples problems such as this, which is mainly evenbalance, and service pack2.

it takes time and bug reports to fix problems, also beta testers. some were not having the problem, and others were not giving adiquit bug reports, its not ATI's fault at all... but at least their helping the situation.

ati has also taken efforts to fix game bugs too, that the game manufactures wont fix... like AA bugs and various other things.

your not buying an ati card just cause ur nvidia card works... hrmm.. strange cause its not only an ATI problem. get the facts streight. glad u like the nvidia tho, and glad it works, but because a few driver releases had a bug in it, u have no right to complain, they tried and tried to fix the issue themselfs, and they have already. just going to take a while.

Dazog · Nov 5, 2004, 08:54 PM

So now we have to wait another month when they have it fixed?

Can we have another Hotfix release with this fix?

MindlessOath · Nov 5, 2004, 09:28 PM

it needs the proper testing.

*CATALYST maker* · Nov 5, 2004, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazog

So now we have to wait another month when they have it fixed?

Can we have another Hotfix release with this fix?

to be very very very clear since the inquirer may have not been
what i said was

1) the official catalyst to fix this will be 4.12 (posted dec 5-20)
2) as soon as we feel good about 4.12 we will rush out a hotfix which will of course be before dec 5-20

ww2 · Nov 6, 2004, 10:45 PM

I don't think this is issue is related to nVidia mobo chipsets. I had the same problem with my K7S5A (SiS chipset). Had no problem with 4.9. Also, here the game completely freezes, and I'm forced to press the reset button. My video card is a 9600XT. This should be fixed ASAP, since the most popular games out there have PunkBuster as their main anti-cheat technology.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Nov 7, 2004, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhillestad

The list of affected games appears to be quite long. Call of Duty, America's Army, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Enemy Territory, Far Cry, Joint Operations, MOH Pacific Assault, Quake 3 Arena, Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield, RTCW, Soldier of Fortune II and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow are affected.

For the record the games I put in bold are all games I have and have never seen the repored punkbuster issue... on 3 seprate and diffrent machines useing diffrent cards ....

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhillestad

Here's the thread:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19501

looks like ATI is to blame for my headaches with punkbuster. I have had none since moving on to the Nvidia 6800GT so I will be very gun shy about buying an ATI card ever again.....

If they would have at least acknowledged the problem i would have held off on the nvidia but out of sheer disgust I gave up on them.

dude then what about the nvidia users with the problem

then BTW: the inqurer is ubber bias, loves nvidia, hates ati, just in case you didn't know. you can tell easily by thier frequent incomplete, 1/2 truth, misleadeing, misinformative, and down right false "made up information" articals ... take verything they say with 50 lbs of salt

MindlessOath · Nov 7, 2004, 06:24 AM

lol, thats like every other article at theinquirer man

hehehehe.

but its true about them being bias. i still love the site and read it every day myself, but i know what to belive, and i often know the full truth myself (

) so i just laugh my ass off. i especially like it when i made the announcement on rage3d of nvidia creating .net for their next control panel, and how it took several weeks after that to put it on their site

lol

Dazog · Nov 8, 2004, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

to be very very very clear since the inquirer may have not been
what i said was

1) the official catalyst to fix this will be 4.12 (posted dec 5-20)
2) as soon as we feel good about 4.12 we will rush out a hotfix which will of course be before dec 5-20

Excellent

I look forward to the hotfix and thanks for the quick reply!

H82LUZ · Nov 8, 2004, 12:18 PM

that sounds fair to me Cat Maker ,And thanks for taking the time to help and tell us striaght up .

pedronorte · Nov 12, 2004, 05:49 PM

Sorry to bump an old thread, but since the 4.11's have been released, do you have any idea when you will release the beta 4.12's for those of us still getting killed by punkbuster?

nighteyes · Nov 12, 2004, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

to be very very very clear since the inquirer may have not been
what i said was

1) the official catalyst to fix this will be 4.12 (posted dec 5-20)
2) as soon as we feel good about 4.12 we will rush out a hotfix which will of course be before dec 5-20

Because of this kind of support I stay Ati. Clear and honest replies in a forum that isn't even really part of Ati. Thanx guys!

Nov 5, 2004, 12:49 AM	#63
ToP3koms Respect Human Rights Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: MD. US Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	Check out this thread if you read post #88 I believe our fix is on the way or at least hopefully.If you read further into it you'll find just how much crap CATALYST maker is prepared to go through to get fixes out,I'm simply amazed.That guy should get a raise. __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue]_____________________________ Asus A8N-SLI Premium/Athlon64 X2 4800+ 2Gb OCZ Platnium Edition PC3200 (2,3,2,5) 2 BFG 7800GTX /Creative X-Fi Western Digital 160Gb SATA II HD /Lite-On 16X DVD-RW Pc Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 510/ WinXP Pro Sp2 [/color]

Nov 5, 2004, 08:33 AM	#65
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	it kinda suggests that the fix for 256mb will be fixed from what u questioned, and he replied. im unsure if that means these quake + punkbuster things are being tested and worked on. just from those two posts i read (87 & 88) correction, post # 109 & 110 actually do alot better, tooks some time of reading tho __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison Last edited by MindlessOath; Nov 5, 2004 at 08:40 AM.

Nov 5, 2004, 08:25 PM	#68
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	well thats not entirely true man... as you can see other nvidia folk have also had the problems too. ATI always makes work arounds for other peoples problems such as this, which is mainly evenbalance, and service pack2. it takes time and bug reports to fix problems, also beta testers. some were not having the problem, and others were not giving adiquit bug reports, its not ATI's fault at all... but at least their helping the situation. ati has also taken efforts to fix game bugs too, that the game manufactures wont fix... like AA bugs and various other things. your not buying an ati card just cause ur nvidia card works... hrmm.. strange cause its not only an ATI problem. get the facts streight. glad u like the nvidia tho, and glad it works, but because a few driver releases had a bug in it, u have no right to complain, they tried and tried to fix the issue themselfs, and they have already. just going to take a while. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Nov 5, 2004, 09:28 PM	#70
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	it needs the proper testing. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Nov 7, 2004, 06:24 AM	#74
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	lol, thats like every other article at theinquirer man hehehehe. but its true about them being bias. i still love the site and read it every day myself, but i know what to belive, and i often know the full truth myself () so i just laugh my ass off. i especially like it when i made the announcement on rage3d of nvidia creating .net for their next control panel, and how it took several weeks after that to put it on their site lol __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Nov 3, 2004, 04:20 PM	#61
jhillestad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Maybe its SATA drive related , you intel guys that are having this problem are you using a sata drive ? There has to be a link , its looking more like ati than ever. But since I switched to nvidia its all behind me now. Ati is now in my dog house when it comes to buying new gear from them. MSI is forever in my dog house and will never see a dime from me again.

Nov 5, 2004, 12:10 AM	#62
H82LUZ HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cobourg ,Ontario ,Canada Posts: 114 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	I have this problem since the cat 4.10 ,All other games I play work ,Just go online with COD and 3 mins later hard locks .Never had the problem with cat 4.9 . System Spec ASUS A7V8X-X AMD 2500+ @ 3200+ ATI 9600XT (cat 4.10 drivers ,only using them for CSS ) Audigy 2 ZS newest drivers .

Nov 5, 2004, 04:02 AM	#64
H82LUZ HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cobourg ,Ontario ,Canada Posts: 114 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Sweet should be in 4.11 then from what I read . Thanx dude .

Nov 5, 2004, 06:14 PM	#66
jhillestad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	This is from the Inquirer website: ATI to fix Punkbuster problem in 4.12 Mid December By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 05 November 2004, 16:52 MANY OF MY gaming friends told me that there is a serious problem with 4.10 drivers and games that use this tool. Many servers are using it to prevent cheats during a game play. The list of affected games appears to be quite long. Call of Duty, America's Army, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Enemy Territory, Far Cry, Joint Operations, MOH Pacific Assault, Quake 3 Arena, Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield, RTCW, Soldier of Fortune II and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow are affected. In a usual scenario, a game will hang after half an hour of playing and up to now the only solution is to downgrade to earlier drivers. Catalyst 4.9 doesn’t have a problem with this tool as far as we know. ATI said that it is aware of the incompatibility and has already finished a beta driver that is fixing the problem. ATI is still testing it and will release the beta as soon as its ready enough. This bug will be fixed in Catalyst 4.12 - that will come in early to middle of December. While we are talking about Catalyst we should mention that Rage 3D will have an IRC chat with ATI's Matthew Tippet, a software manager for Linux to answer your questions. This will take place on Thursday Nov 11 at 4-5 pm EST. µ

Nov 5, 2004, 06:18 PM	#67
jhillestad DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Here's the thread: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19501 looks like ATI is to blame for my headaches with punkbuster. I have had none since moving on to the Nvidia 6800GT so I will be very gun shy about buying an ATI card ever again..... If they would have at least acknowledged the problem i would have held off on the nvidia but out of sheer disgust I gave up on them.

Nov 5, 2004, 08:54 PM	#69
Dazog DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 128 Rep Power: 0	So now we have to wait another month when they have it fixed? Can we have another Hotfix release with this fix?

Nov 6, 2004, 10:45 PM	#72
ww2 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	I don't think this is issue is related to nVidia mobo chipsets. I had the same problem with my K7S5A (SiS chipset). Had no problem with 4.9. Also, here the game completely freezes, and I'm forced to press the reset button. My video card is a 9600XT. This should be fixed ASAP, since the most popular games out there have PunkBuster as their main anti-cheat technology.

Nov 8, 2004, 12:18 PM	#76
H82LUZ HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cobourg ,Ontario ,Canada Posts: 114 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	that sounds fair to me Cat Maker ,And thanks for taking the time to help and tell us striaght up . Last edited by H82LUZ; Nov 8, 2004 at 12:29 PM.

Nov 12, 2004, 05:49 PM	#77
pedronorte DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Sorry to bump an old thread, but since the 4.11's have been released, do you have any idea when you will release the beta 4.12's for those of us still getting killed by punkbuster?