CM :Any word on the ATI ,Punkbuster issue?

Chaos · Oct 3, 2004, 05:13 PM

Summary of Problems

There were several other things that were brought to my attention -

* Problem does not occur on non-PB servers
* This problem seems specific to WinXP - this does not happen on Win2k
* Removal of the Nvidia GART Driver clears this problem up
* Reverting to ATI's 3.9 seems to clear this up for some people
* Reducing the AGP aperture size reduces the amount of delay
* Decreasing the PB scan frequency with pb_sleep decreases the frequency of the freezes
* Changing from an ATI to Nvidia card seems to have eliminated problems for many users

I brought this to the attention of the three parties involved, ATI, Nvidia and Evenbalance. While all three were receptive, resolving this issue has become a stalemate.

Full Story

Shinjikun · Oct 3, 2004, 05:15 PM

Has anyone encountered any issues like the ones mentioned in the article? I'm running on an nForce2 board with an ATi card (using the latest drivers for both) and I haven't encountered any issues yet.

dipstick · Oct 3, 2004, 05:23 PM

I haven't run into anything like that either but there are lots that have.

eggs420 · Oct 3, 2004, 05:26 PM

That's a load of bullshit, pardon my french. I have an nforce3 and I play at LEAST 2 hours of a pb game a day and I don't get any freezes what so ever. _ROCK SOLID_. Our clan has no members that get those crashes, at that can be blamed on the game OR pb. Quite a few have nforce2's, too. In fact, the last time I had a full lock up (that I couldn't explain/fix off the bat) was literally years ago..In the first version of bf:v with PB enabled we saw some oddness, but that was patched up and is gone.

PB does have some serious shortcomings and flaws, but come on..

I had this problem once with pb in bf1942. Without pb, the game wouldn't crash but with it it would. Turned out I had a flaky ram stick. Pulled that sucker and never had a problem again.

Shinjikun · Oct 3, 2004, 05:32 PM

I wonder if they are referring to a hard lock up or just stuttering.

Chaos · Oct 3, 2004, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinjikun

I wonder if they are referring to a hard lock up or just stuttering.

If you read it, it seems like a 4-5 second time frame where the system is unusable then things return to normal

chaosmaker · Oct 3, 2004, 06:44 PM

Quote:

That's a load of bullshit, pardon my french.

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't make it BS, it is happening, and too quite a few people, hopefully it will be resolved. As you can see it gives people something to try. Do you work for evenbalance?

virgo · Oct 3, 2004, 06:52 PM

Yep,I had exactly those problems but since I installed the 5.10 nForce drivers and the Omega 8.07 betas things seem to be running OK at the moment.

ericdrum · Oct 3, 2004, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eggs420

That's a load of bullshit, pardon my french. I have an nforce3 and I play at LEAST 2 hours of a pb game a day and I don't get any freezes what so ever. _ROCK SOLID_. Our clan has no members that get those crashes, at that can be blamed on the game OR pb. Quite a few have nforce2's, too. In fact, the last time I had a full lock up (that I couldn't explain/fix off the bat) was literally years ago..In the first version of bf:v with PB enabled we saw some oddness, but that was patched up and is gone.

PB does have some serious shortcomings and flaws, but come on..

I had this problem once with pb in bf1942. Without pb, the game wouldn't crash but with it it would. Turned out I had a flaky ram stick. Pulled that sucker and never had a problem again.

Errr... maybe you should read the whole article. If nVidia, ATI and evenbalance can reproduce the problem, I think it's legit. It's a matter of tracking down the exact problem.

Shinjikun · Oct 3, 2004, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos

If you read it, it seems like a 4-5 second time frame where the system is unusable then things return to normal

So it's more of a stutter than a hard lock up then; interesting. I haven't seen any stuttering since I built this system back in July but then again other people may be encountering this issue.

Mr cairo · Oct 3, 2004, 10:12 PM

i got this in Vietnam and cod .... this is on the MSI K8N Neo Platinum nForce3 board the pc game would just pause as if i was having a hooge lag spike then continue ....... so i changed the mobo back to my old MSI Via mobo and the problem has gone ....... its a very real problem

HENNESSY · Oct 3, 2004, 11:14 PM

I just upgraded from P4 to AMD 64 with nForce3 (ASUS K8N-e Deluxe)and now I have this problem too. While playing it just freezes for about 4 seconds and then resumes. It happens like every 5 minutes. I'm glad this news item showed up, im gonna try removing Nvidia GART Drivers.

Mr cairo · Oct 3, 2004, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HENNESSY

I just upgraded from P4 to AMD 64 with nForce3 (ASUS K8N-e Deluxe)and now I have this problem too. While playing it just freezes for about 4 seconds and then resumes. It happens like every 5 minutes.

try this

Uninstall the GART driver from 5.10 Nvidia drivers and installed the 4.27 GART driver from previous version of Nforce drivers

its working for me so far

HENNESSY · Oct 3, 2004, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cairo

try this

Uninstall the GART driver from 5.10 Nvidia drivers and installed the 4.27 GART driver from previous version of Nforce drivers

its working for me so far

I uninstalled the 5.10 GART driver and the problem seems to be gone. Where can I find the 4.27 GART driver, and what does a GART driver do anyway?

fibonaccov · Oct 4, 2004, 12:03 AM

Man I'm so glad someone wrote this article - I've been seeing this issue for more than a year with Quake3 and Yes, increasing pb_sleep does help somehow but not completely - these freezes happen at different intervals with the same duration - quite annoying during MP and it only happens when PB is involved - it sucks.

This is NOT BS like some of you peeps are saying. It's a fecking freeze which lasts for 5-10 secs and only when PB is involved...I tried reinstalling my OS and PB, same.

Running XP / nForce mobo / ATI 9800 Pro with latest Omega driver (as always)

--fib

MythicaL · Oct 4, 2004, 12:53 AM

Happens to me ALL the time in CoD Single Player

ericdrum · Oct 4, 2004, 12:57 AM

Are those with this issue having it only on nF3 mobos?

Alistair · Oct 4, 2004, 04:46 AM

This may explain my Joint Operation freezes I get occassionally.

MythicaL · Oct 4, 2004, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericdrum

Are those with this issue having it only on nF3 mobos?

I don't think so, seeing as how I have an nF2 mobo

Maybe it's AMD processors?

Mr cairo · Oct 4, 2004, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HENNESSY

I uninstalled the 5.10 GART driver and the problem seems to be gone. Where can I find the 4.27 GART driver, and what does a GART driver do anyway?

youll get the 4.27 driver from the older set of nvidia mobo drivers the ones before the 5.10's

what does a GART driver do = http://www2.ati.com/drivers/igp-gart-1009-1.html

hope it keeps working for you m8

ToP3koms · Oct 7, 2004, 12:01 AM

[COLOR=Silver]I just experienced this same problem with Q3.I was using the newest Omega drivers (8.07 betas) and I would get a hard lock and crash.Reverting back to the 4.9 based Omega's sorted it out.I'm wondering if maybe it had something to do with the 256MB memory fix in the newer drivers ?[/COLOR]

Shinjikun · Oct 7, 2004, 02:11 AM

Strange issue. I'm using an nForce2 board with a Barton CPU, ATi 9500 Pro, and the 5.03 Remix drivers and I haven't encountered any Punk Buster stuttering since I built the machine.

MythicaL · Oct 7, 2004, 04:03 AM

Most of the time if you get an unexpected illegal operation in a game, it is because you have EAX sound enabled.

shadd · Oct 7, 2004, 04:09 AM

i can verify this issue %100 percent. the freeze length depends on agp size with 128 giving apprx. 5 second lock every so minutes depending on pb_sleep 20-500.

and yes the new cat betas 8.07 and omega 8.07 turn this freeze into a total hard lock requiring a reboot. this lock will take place upon joining a pb enabled server. the time of the hardlock depends on pb-sleep 20-500.

w2k on different partition works perfectly.

i first built this system with a 9700pro and had the freezes. upgraded to a x800xt pe and the problem persists.

have tried different sound cards, nic's, everything i could think of.

this is in quake3.

basic specs:

+3200 clawhammer
msi neo platimum nf3
1 gig ram
sapphire x800xt pe(9700 was sapphire to if that might matter)
465 watt enermax(new)

shadd · Oct 7, 2004, 04:17 AM

its really odd that some people have it, some dont with seemingly identical hardware. im going to try reinstalling XP and all drivers before upgrading any service packs. i think it might be some wierd XP hardware setup issue.

HENNESSY · Oct 7, 2004, 10:46 AM

yep, the ati hotfix turns freeze into hardlock.
from what ive read so far the get-freeze-combo is: nforce2/3 + nvidia gart driver + winxp + ati

is there anyone out there with this combination who does not get freezes?

PamelorAnderson · Oct 7, 2004, 09:59 PM

I think this has alot to do with ATI as I have experienced this problem on an Intel system and now an Nvdia System.

--
My old system: Using Catalyst Drivers from 3.9-4.x I kept getting the intermittent(sp?) 5 second freeze-skips (depending upon my pb_sleep values) on PB servers (RTCW & Quake3)

Intel 850G 423 Socket
P4 1.7Ghz
512 MB Samsung RDRAM
Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128 MB
4x AGP
80GB Maxtor IDE 8MB Cache
Win XP SP 1
--
My new system - Just built this past week, only thing I kept from old was the video card. Using the newest CATs and Omegas, I get the hard lockup where I have to reboot

Gigabyte GA-K8NS Nforce3 250
Athlon 64 2800+ Newcastle
512 MB Mushkin 400 3200 DDR
Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB
120 GB Seagate SATA
Win XP SP 2

I've tried everything. Lowered AGB to 4x, Disabled Fast-Write...as soon as the client contacts Punkbuster it freezes. Setting PB_Sleep to 500 just delays the inevitable. I can play Quake 3 and RTCW for hours on non PB servers without a hitch.

I'm going to try to dig up a copy of Win 2000. I am also downloading the new BFV patch to see if it's not just a Quake3-engine related problem.

I was happy to get a fresh install on my machine, and now it looks like I have to clutter it with another OS.

shadd · Oct 8, 2004, 02:02 AM

removing the nvidia gart driver with the new 8.07 betas does not fix the hardlock. removing it with older cats fixes the problem but obviously performance drops quite a bit.

shadd · Oct 8, 2004, 03:08 PM

ok what i have so far.

installed windows XP(vanilla, no service packs or updates)with sygate firewall. disabled sound, lan in bios(using audigy,3com nic). installed new ati 8.07, sound, directx9c, nforce3 drivers. and it works, smooth like butter with pb_sleep 20. played a few pb servers and all was perfect.(quake3)

installed service pack 2 from a microsoft sp2 cd and its fuggered again.

with my last install i had sp1a installed first and also had the problem.

so with my machine all is good untill sp1a or sp2 is installed.

?????

shadd · Oct 8, 2004, 04:16 PM

ok i have completly turned off DEP through the boot.ini file. changed /NoExecute=OptOut to /execute=optin and its working, very smooth.(8.07 betas)

before doing that i added quake3 in the DEP options to not be protected and that did not work. only turning DEP off altogether worked.

does sp1(a) have some kind of protection simular to DEP?

Oct 3, 2004, 05:13 PM	#1
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	Punkbuster, ATI and Nvidia: Freezing in your online FPS favorites? Summary of Problems There were several other things that were brought to my attention - * Problem does not occur on non-PB servers * This problem seems specific to WinXP - this does not happen on Win2k * Removal of the Nvidia GART Driver clears this problem up * Reverting to ATI's 3.9 seems to clear this up for some people * Reducing the AGP aperture size reduces the amount of delay * Decreasing the PB scan frequency with pb_sleep decreases the frequency of the freezes * Changing from an ATI to Nvidia card seems to have eliminated problems for many users I brought this to the attention of the three parties involved, ATI, Nvidia and Evenbalance. While all three were receptive, resolving this issue has become a stalemate. Full Story __________________

Oct 3, 2004, 05:15 PM	#2
Shinjikun 第3 子供 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nerv HQ Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 0	Has anyone encountered any issues like the ones mentioned in the article? I'm running on an nForce2 board with an ATi card (using the latest drivers for both) and I haven't encountered any issues yet. __________________ Xfire: [Shinji1225 \ Status] A7N8X-E Deluxe Athlon XP 2500+ (@ 2.2 GHz 11x200 MHz FSB) Corsair TwinX XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel (2-2-3-5) [color=red]ATi [/color][color=white]Radeon 9500 Pro (@ 330\310) \ [/color][color=white]Omega Catalyst Drivers v2.5.90[/color] [color=white]Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU[/color]

Oct 3, 2004, 05:26 PM	#4
eggs420 my bud > yours Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 399 Rep Power: 0	That's a load of bullshit, pardon my french. I have an nforce3 and I play at LEAST 2 hours of a pb game a day and I don't get any freezes what so ever. _ROCK SOLID_. Our clan has no members that get those crashes, at that can be blamed on the game OR pb. Quite a few have nforce2's, too. In fact, the last time I had a full lock up (that I couldn't explain/fix off the bat) was literally years ago..In the first version of bf:v with PB enabled we saw some oddness, but that was patched up and is gone. PB does have some serious shortcomings and flaws, but come on.. I had this problem once with pb in bf1942. Without pb, the game wouldn't crash but with it it would. Turned out I had a flaky ram stick. Pulled that sucker and never had a problem again. __________________ AMD64 2800+ // Chaintech VNF3-250 // 2X512mb PDI ddr400 2-3-2-5 // 80gb 7200RPM WD w/8mb cache // Leadtek 6800GT // 144kbit IDSL Clan -=CCC=- Admin 69.31.96.68 BF2 PUBLIC RANKED SERVER 205.218.65.236 BF2 DEMO SERVER

Oct 3, 2004, 05:32 PM	#5
Shinjikun 第3 子供 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nerv HQ Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 0	I wonder if they are referring to a hard lock up or just stuttering. __________________ Xfire: [Shinji1225 \ Status] A7N8X-E Deluxe Athlon XP 2500+ (@ 2.2 GHz 11x200 MHz FSB) Corsair TwinX XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel (2-2-3-5) [color=red]ATi [/color][color=white]Radeon 9500 Pro (@ 330\310) \ [/color][color=white]Omega Catalyst Drivers v2.5.90[/color] [color=white]Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU[/color]

Oct 3, 2004, 10:12 PM	#11
Mr cairo F0rum For Humans Only Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Slightly to the left Posts: 1,780 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	i got this in Vietnam and cod .... this is on the MSI K8N Neo Platinum nForce3 board the pc game would just pause as if i was having a hooge lag spike then continue ....... so i changed the mobo back to my old MSI Via mobo and the problem has gone ....... its a very real problem __________________ *Please consider Sponsoring my wife for the race for life*

Oct 3, 2004, 05:23 PM	#3
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	I haven't run into anything like that either but there are lots that have.

Oct 3, 2004, 06:52 PM	#8
virgo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Yep,I had exactly those problems but since I installed the 5.10 nForce drivers and the Omega 8.07 betas things seem to be running OK at the moment.

Oct 3, 2004, 11:14 PM	#12
HENNESSY DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 67 Rep Power: 0	I just upgraded from P4 to AMD 64 with nForce3 (ASUS K8N-e Deluxe)and now I have this problem too. While playing it just freezes for about 4 seconds and then resumes. It happens like every 5 minutes. I'm glad this news item showed up, im gonna try removing Nvidia GART Drivers. __________________ P4 2.6GHz / 1024 MB DDR / Medion Radeon 9600 TX (Yeah TX not XT)

Oct 4, 2004, 12:03 AM	#15
fibonaccov DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 67 Rep Power: 0	Man I'm so glad someone wrote this article - I've been seeing this issue for more than a year with Quake3 and Yes, increasing pb_sleep does help somehow but not completely - these freezes happen at different intervals with the same duration - quite annoying during MP and it only happens when PB is involved - it sucks. This is NOT BS like some of you peeps are saying. It's a fecking freeze which lasts for 5-10 secs and only when PB is involved...I tried reinstalling my OS and PB, same. Running XP / nForce mobo / ATI 9800 Pro with latest Omega driver (as always) --fib Last edited by fibonaccov; Oct 4, 2004 at 12:15 AM.

Oct 4, 2004, 12:53 AM	#16
MythicaL I like computers. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In front of a monitor Posts: 3,399 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Happens to me ALL the time in CoD Single Player __________________ Always knew I didn't belong in this world. I wasn't made for this. But I'll never forget those who betrayed me, and those who never failed my trust.

Oct 4, 2004, 12:57 AM	#17
ericdrum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The SLC Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	Are those with this issue having it only on nF3 mobos? __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3500+ MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum nForce3 Ultra 2 gig Corsair XMS 3200 eVGA 6800 GT SB Audigy2 w/ KX Project Drivers 2-80 gig Western Digital SATA 7200 RAID 0 200 GB Seagate Barricuda 7200 for Storage Ultra Xconnect 500W Power Supply Windows XP SP2 Antec P160W case

Oct 4, 2004, 04:46 AM	#18
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	This may explain my Joint Operation freezes I get occassionally. __________________ - Alistair

Oct 7, 2004, 12:01 AM	#21
ToP3koms Respect Human Rights Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: MD. US Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	[COLOR=Silver]I just experienced this same problem with Q3.I was using the newest Omega drivers (8.07 betas) and I would get a hard lock and crash.Reverting back to the 4.9 based Omega's sorted it out.I'm wondering if maybe it had something to do with the 256MB memory fix in the newer drivers ?[/COLOR] __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue]_____________________________ Asus A8N-SLI Premium/Athlon64 X2 4800+ 2Gb OCZ Platnium Edition PC3200 (2,3,2,5) 2 BFG 7800GTX /Creative X-Fi Western Digital 160Gb SATA II HD /Lite-On 16X DVD-RW Pc Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 510/ WinXP Pro Sp2 [/color]

Oct 7, 2004, 02:11 AM	#22
Shinjikun 第3 子供 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nerv HQ Posts: 1,319 Rep Power: 0	Strange issue. I'm using an nForce2 board with a Barton CPU, ATi 9500 Pro, and the 5.03 Remix drivers and I haven't encountered any Punk Buster stuttering since I built the machine. __________________ Xfire: [Shinji1225 \ Status] A7N8X-E Deluxe Athlon XP 2500+ (@ 2.2 GHz 11x200 MHz FSB) Corsair TwinX XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel (2-2-3-5) [color=red]ATi [/color][color=white]Radeon 9500 Pro (@ 330\310) \ [/color][color=white]Omega Catalyst Drivers v2.5.90[/color] [color=white]Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU[/color]

Oct 7, 2004, 04:03 AM	#23
MythicaL I like computers. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In front of a monitor Posts: 3,399 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Most of the time if you get an unexpected illegal operation in a game, it is because you have EAX sound enabled. __________________ Always knew I didn't belong in this world. I wasn't made for this. But I'll never forget those who betrayed me, and those who never failed my trust.

Oct 7, 2004, 04:09 AM	#24
shadd DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	i can verify this issue %100 percent. the freeze length depends on agp size with 128 giving apprx. 5 second lock every so minutes depending on pb_sleep 20-500. and yes the new cat betas 8.07 and omega 8.07 turn this freeze into a total hard lock requiring a reboot. this lock will take place upon joining a pb enabled server. the time of the hardlock depends on pb-sleep 20-500. w2k on different partition works perfectly. i first built this system with a 9700pro and had the freezes. upgraded to a x800xt pe and the problem persists. have tried different sound cards, nic's, everything i could think of. this is in quake3. basic specs: +3200 clawhammer msi neo platimum nf3 1 gig ram sapphire x800xt pe(9700 was sapphire to if that might matter) 465 watt enermax(new)

Oct 7, 2004, 04:17 AM	#25
shadd DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	its really odd that some people have it, some dont with seemingly identical hardware. im going to try reinstalling XP and all drivers before upgrading any service packs. i think it might be some wierd XP hardware setup issue.

Oct 7, 2004, 10:46 AM	#26
HENNESSY DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 67 Rep Power: 0	yep, the ati hotfix turns freeze into hardlock. from what ive read so far the get-freeze-combo is: nforce2/3 + nvidia gart driver + winxp + ati is there anyone out there with this combination who does not get freezes? __________________ P4 2.6GHz / 1024 MB DDR / Medion Radeon 9600 TX (Yeah TX not XT)

Oct 7, 2004, 09:59 PM	#27
PamelorAnderson DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Happening on my old Intel Motherboard and my nForce3 motherboard I think this has alot to do with ATI as I have experienced this problem on an Intel system and now an Nvdia System. -- My old system: Using Catalyst Drivers from 3.9-4.x I kept getting the intermittent(sp?) 5 second freeze-skips (depending upon my pb_sleep values) on PB servers (RTCW & Quake3) Intel 850G 423 Socket P4 1.7Ghz 512 MB Samsung RDRAM Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128 MB 4x AGP 80GB Maxtor IDE 8MB Cache Win XP SP 1 -- My new system - Just built this past week, only thing I kept from old was the video card. Using the newest CATs and Omegas, I get the hard lockup where I have to reboot Gigabyte GA-K8NS Nforce3 250 Athlon 64 2800+ Newcastle 512 MB Mushkin 400 3200 DDR Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB 120 GB Seagate SATA Win XP SP 2 I've tried everything. Lowered AGB to 4x, Disabled Fast-Write...as soon as the client contacts Punkbuster it freezes. Setting PB_Sleep to 500 just delays the inevitable. I can play Quake 3 and RTCW for hours on non PB servers without a hitch. I'm going to try to dig up a copy of Win 2000. I am also downloading the new BFV patch to see if it's not just a Quake3-engine related problem. I was happy to get a fresh install on my machine, and now it looks like I have to clutter it with another OS.

Oct 8, 2004, 02:02 AM	#28
shadd DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	removing the nvidia gart driver with the new 8.07 betas does not fix the hardlock. removing it with older cats fixes the problem but obviously performance drops quite a bit.

Oct 8, 2004, 03:08 PM	#29
shadd DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	ok what i have so far. installed windows XP(vanilla, no service packs or updates)with sygate firewall. disabled sound, lan in bios(using audigy,3com nic). installed new ati 8.07, sound, directx9c, nforce3 drivers. and it works, smooth like butter with pb_sleep 20. played a few pb servers and all was perfect.(quake3) installed service pack 2 from a microsoft sp2 cd and its fuggered again. with my last install i had sp1a installed first and also had the problem. so with my machine all is good untill sp1a or sp2 is installed. ?????

Oct 8, 2004, 04:16 PM	#30
shadd DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	ok i have completly turned off DEP through the boot.ini file. changed /NoExecute=OptOut to /execute=optin and its working, very smooth.(8.07 betas) before doing that i added quake3 in the DEP options to not be protected and that did not work. only turning DEP off altogether worked. does sp1(a) have some kind of protection simular to DEP? Last edited by shadd; Oct 8, 2004 at 04:39 PM.