Rate Catalyst 4.12 (CCC ONLY)

Zardon · Dec 13, 2004, 09:39 PM

You know the drill,

rate how you find the newest version of CCC

Warpy · Dec 13, 2004, 11:07 PM

Someone needs to convince me why I should use this over the old control pannel, as in times past it has caused problems with my O/S. By problems I mean blue screens and lockups when I execute the CCC.

Zardon · Dec 14, 2004, 12:07 AM

install .net 2.

remove CP, install CCC, reboot. it really is getting a little faster with every release, I quite like it now.

Lester40 · Dec 14, 2004, 12:08 AM

What does the CCC give you that the old control pannel does not? Is one better for performance than the other? Just curious

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crlorentzen · Dec 14, 2004, 01:30 AM

I crashed the CCC I'd say 7 times in 10 minutes. ATi needs better QA personel for this.

just scroll through the smart shaders a liitle fast...or change a slider more than one notch somewhat quickly. At least it screwed up on my system.

Also I see no benifit to the CCC except for AI control which I do not care about so both my personal feelings and my time using it make me not care for it...will try again next release though.

BTW: drivers are gr8 in this release. More detail in Doom3 is the first thing I noticed.

ToP3koms · Dec 14, 2004, 02:29 AM

I decided it was time to give CCC another shot with this release.I had tried it with the 4.9's and had quickly decided to unistall it ,as it was quite slow and not as functional as I was used to,and wait awhile .Well coming home and seeing the new official Cats today My mind was set,afterall I certainally realize that alot of work has been done since the 4.9's,I decided to also uninstall radlinker and really dig in and learn how to use the game/app profiling system as well.

I took me just about the same time to get setup(Display,refreshfix,etc) as the old control panel,of course that was slowed by the loading of the CCC splash screen

but I'll get to that later.Learning how to use the profiling system and getting the 5 or 6 games I have installed setup to run the way I want them to took Me about 30mins. and now actually works out better for me then radlinker.I must say I am quite impressed with how far the program has come since last attempting to use it.

I gave the new CCC release an 8.It is performing the tasks it is intended to do and quite well thus far,for My purposes.,The only two problems I ran into which are the reasons for my deducting 2 points ,..
#1 - The

Splash Screen ,can we have the option to disable it ? I mean I know I am using the Cataylst Control Center and it truely annoys me to have it forced on My screen ,like an Ad, when it is not necessary.
#2 -just a bit of slowdown when applying profiles,which is understandable it just seemed a bit severe.

I will continue to use the new control panel .Good Job ATI ,CM and the whole Catalyst crew the program has certainally come a long way in a short time.Thank you all for your hard work.Now if we could just get rid of that splash screen

tornadog · Dec 14, 2004, 02:37 AM

I am quite impressed with the latest CCC, I wont say 10/10 thats still some way to go but pretty good, I love the options that come under advanced view, its more responsive, changes stick, zero crashes, well one exactly when i put in a setting and then before it could set, i tried to uncheck it, and that caused it to hang, regarding monitor settings like the refresh rate override I like the new options took some time to figure out what goes where but I like it now. I havent played around with the 3d settings for now I am leaving it at default...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 14, 2004, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crlorentzen

I crashed the CCC I'd say 7 times in 10 minutes. ATi needs better QA personel for this.

just scroll through the smart shaders a liitle fast...or change a slider more than one notch somewhat quickly. At least it screwed up on my system.

Also I see no benifit to the CCC except for AI control which I do not care about so both my personal feelings and my time using it make me not care for it...will try again next release though.

BTW: drivers are gr8 in this release. More detail in Doom3 is the first thing I noticed.

I think alot of you guys have conflicting 3rd party software installed or have played with your services (tweaked) or maybe need to reformat and re-install windows. Something is most likely wrong / setup wrong/ messed up on your systems that doesnt allow it to work properly....

I have tested 4 systems with totally diffent setups, one with a constantly changeing enviroment and I've never hard 1/10000000000000000000th
the problems some of you guys have with it and i've used it since it was released... I've allways had good luk with it I guess

I'd Reinstall .net, reinstall CCC that don't work? flush windows and try again ....

I'm shocked at how many people don't format reinstall often enough really allevates alot of head aches and problems that come along with windows I'd reccomend at least once every 3 mouths though many of us "hardcore" users do it mounthly...I'd be suprised if people still had issues after a clean format and proper reinstall but it' hard to say...

A side note from me to everyone voteing:

Beyond voteing any bad scores 1-5 any one that does please do post some details of why and what was wrong? what that infulced you decision....

jaof · Dec 14, 2004, 03:23 AM

Works after the first reboot.
After a second reboot CCC doesn't come up.
Went back to the old control panel with 4.12

brownstonemr · Dec 14, 2004, 03:27 AM

Other than looking pretty and enabling the user to change options a different more attractive setting, how does this differ to the old CP?

I installed CCC and prefer using the old CP. I don't care if the old CP isn't pretty with snazzy 3d renders. Also CCC is a memory hog and I find I can change my options in the old CP just as quick. For game profiles I just use radlinker anyways.

Does AI control come with the old CP now?
So performance wise is there any difference?

I just can't see a good enough reason to have it installed.

T|2IPL3_6 · Dec 14, 2004, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

install .net 2.

remove CP, install CCC, reboot. it really is getting a little faster with every release, I quite like it now.

Did this and it works now. Thanks.

On another note, why does this work on the 2.0 beta but not the 1.1+sp1 when it clearly states that the 1.1 is the requirement for CCC. It seems sloppy to me but at least it's working for me now. Thanks again Zardon.

CaptainAmerica · Dec 14, 2004, 05:03 AM

I've had to use .net 2 betas for catalysts 4.10 through 4.11 because of random non-starting of the CCC. I left the .net 2's on for the 4.12's but will try to roll back to the .net 1.1's and see if the same issue occurs. Not sure why this happens with some folks and not others.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Dec 14, 2004, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownstonemr

Other than looking pretty and enabling the user to change options a different more attractive setting, how does this differ to the old CP?

I installed CCC and prefer using the old CP. I don't care if the old CP isn't pretty with snazzy 3d renders. Also CCC is a memory hog and I find I can change my options in the old CP just as quick. For game profiles I just use radlinker anyways.

Does AI control come with the old CP now?
So performance wise is there any difference?

I just can't see a good enough reason to have it installed.

memory hog? what Do you game with it open

.....

people seem to confuse the comment charge
comment charge= virtual (page file useage) memory + phisical memory (ram)

yea it uses some virtual memory when ideling and alot of virtual memory when running.... but it virtual memory, as in hard drive page file not RAM wich is important....

CCC uses verry little ..... and you shouldn't game with it open
becouse there is a 3d game running in the preview pane......
again those with problems with this re read the DH interview with ATI
for future plans

TB_ · Dec 14, 2004, 06:35 AM

Im not very happy with it. Although the basic skin idea is fine, tho perhaps a little over the top for a consumer tool, the rest of the application is poor at best. First of all, using .net for a application like this isnt that smart as without tweaks the average joes going to have it hanging in memory all the time with the CCC installed and Im sure many of you are aware of the issues .net can cause when running, hitches, and the like. Then we have the app itself, with menus in off places, multiple options for the same thing, multiple displays for the same things, little or no in app descriptions for functions, and the fact the window is often to small for what its displayign isnt nice. If it wasnt for the fact you need the CCC to get things like Cat Ai/Geometry Instancing working (without fiddling with registry) Id be honest and say I would have it installed. if I was ATI I would seriously reconsider a complete rewrite of CCC. But hell... it could just be me

makih · Dec 14, 2004, 08:54 AM

Does CCC have benefit over CP? I'm new at Ati drivers

crlorentzen · Dec 14, 2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

I'd Reinstall .net, reinstall CCC that don't work? flush windows and try again ....

I have absolutely no problems with any of the other programs I run, Adobe Acrobat, Photoshop, all MS Office apps, Firefox, Thunderbird, ABC, eMule, Winamp, AIM, BP FTP Server, Real VNC Any game I install Doom 3, HL2, Rise of Nations, Splinter Cell...etc.

If I can run all other programs without a problem I see no reason why I should need to reinstall Windows for one program whioch honestly has no benifits over the Fully Functional never had a problem CP.

I also believe if you are a good enough user and cleaner/upkeeper of your system, using Spyware sweepers, registry cleaners, and driver cleaner. you should be able to keep your system in full working order indefinately.

I reformat and reisntall when I have a problem I cannot solve, or if a new Service Pack is released. My Computer is up 24/7 and has run a full weekend of Burn-In testing with SiSoftware Sandra.

Sorry if this is getting too of topic.

apoch003 · Dec 14, 2004, 03:44 PM

Where does one get .NET 2.0? Ah.... I see a 2.0 BETA!

Sheesh. ATi wouldn't write a certified driver and want you to download a beta component. Terrible advice.

Sgt.Slug · Dec 14, 2004, 04:00 PM

So what does this poll indicate? That most people can run the CCC. Great so those that can't are pointless customers who have to live with a problem. All this poll can do is hurt those who are constantly having problems with the CCC. Just like me, since CCC has ever been released it has failed to recognize my card and I must reload the processes to be able to use it. So what's the worth of the poll to me? zero.

Derag · Dec 14, 2004, 04:04 PM

Seems fine to me...I really think that the Preview thing should either be removed entirely, or an option should be added that switches entirely on or off. It's really annoying to have the computer hang (even if only a little twitch) when I apply changed 3D settings, even on No Preview.

farkas · Dec 14, 2004, 05:02 PM

Did not use it long enough to give a vote. But I'll give my impressions.

It seems to offer the same features as the standard CP, but with a cleaner GUI for newbies.

The profiling feature seems quite promising, but it could also be part of the old CP. I did install .net just to see how it looked and worked, but since I'm a radlinker user (Or Omega's bundle), I went back to plain old driver and CP with radlinker after 2 hours of fidling with various games and playing with AI and other settings.

To me, so far, CCC seems like a nice interface for non techical people or corporate environment. It offers a nice clean looking interface, and puts almost the various options and settings in a environment that makes things comprehensive in "layman's" terms.

Problem with that, is I do not see why a corporate PC would need a 3-D viewing pane for x300SE's or profiling options. Also, I beleive that the CCC has a better interface for non techy people out there, but the brunt of them will be low end card owners and/or people who do not know the difference between IE and firefox etc..., so when they will install it, and get problems, they will keep blaming it on CCC, when they might not even have .net installed, or have never re-installed XP since it came out.

I know that ATI will improve and define more the goal of CCC as time passes, but for now, it seems very good and nice and all, but absolutely not necessary.

Sgt.Slug · Dec 14, 2004, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derag

Seems fine to me...I really think that the Preview thing should either be removed entirely, or an option should be added that switches entirely on or off. It's really annoying to have the computer hang (even if only a little twitch) when I apply changed 3D settings, even on No Preview.

That's a nice idea, I already proposed that when they released CCC. I guess they figure you can already toggle, that's good enough.

bake15 · Dec 14, 2004, 06:47 PM

voted 9 out of 10

still a bit of work to be done but its heading in the right direction

Anubis-Xp- · Dec 14, 2004, 09:08 PM

i voted a 5 because my VPU Recover problem isn't fixed, it isn't a cooling problem, its the drivers i tell u!

*ATI Dude* · Dec 14, 2004, 09:20 PM

Few points:

1) The ability to disable the 3D preview will be included in CATALYST 5.1
2) Unfortunately .NET 2.0 was suppossed to be released last September when we released CCC, but it has been delayed until Spring 05. There are some issues in .NET 1.1 that need to be fixed, so the best solution right now is to try out the .NET 2.0 Beta. Also users can just grab the old CP until .NET 2.0 is released
3) ATI is very aware that many users are having issues starting CCC - we are trying to figure why this is the case (unfortunately this may be a .NET issue, hence why we suggest trying the .NET 2 beta for these users)
4) 2005 is going to be a huge year for CCC (besides continuing to enhance performance/fix bugs) we're going to be introducing a ton of new features (some which are mentioned in the recent interview).

The most important point I want to make is that we are definitely listening to all of your feedback (we want to hear the good and the bad) so we can continue to improve both the driver and CCC and make them the best products possible.

Thanks guys :-)

- Andrew

Sgt.Slug · Dec 14, 2004, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATI Dude

Few points:

1) The ability to disable the 3D preview will be included in CATALYST 5.1
2) Unfortunately .NET 2.0 was suppossed to be released last September when we released CCC, but it has been delayed until Spring 05. There are some issues in .NET 1.1 that need to be fixed, so the best solution right now is to try out the .NET 2.0 Beta. Also users can just grab the old CP until .NET 2.0 is released
3) ATI is very aware that many users are having issues starting CCC - we are trying to figure why this is the case (unfortunately this may be a .NET issue, hence why we suggest trying the .NET 2 beta for these users)
4) 2005 is going to be a huge year for CCC (besides continuing to enhance performance/fix bugs) we're going to be introducing a ton of new features (some which are mentioned in the recent interview).

The most important point I want to make is that we are definitely listening to all of your feedback (we want to hear the good and the bad) so we can continue to improve both the driver and CCC and make them the best products possible.

Thanks guys :-)

- Andrew

I'm not attacking you or trying to put you in a hard situation ATIdude. I'm a consumer and I don't like to be led around or misinformed, but..

(2) I'm not going to install BETA software to get my drivers working. I'm not one for system crashes and I'm not one to use a BETA package to make a 'release' program work. Control Panel??? but that means AI is on, and people need a 3rd party application(thankfully) to turn it off.

(3) You've known the issue since CCC was released, it was on Rage3D and it's prevalent on these forums(You say you read the forums)? Do you write the code or is a 3rd party writing it for you in-house? How does ATI not know how to get their own software to work with their own products??? I'm baffled.

(4) As long as you drop the disgusting amount of memory your control panel uses(300MB with dashboard), I can't see what else can be done to further CCC. Much less for those that are below your X line of products. Such as me for 9700. So you say that in terms of EVERYONE? or your new product owners? A.I, and I don't care what anyone says has shown ZERO in terms of performance gains or improved game playability for me. What am I not seeing in terms of AI? All I know with AI is that I have lag in my games whenever it is on. It certainly didn't fix TW2005 and it didn't fix the original NFS Underground. Grass corruption in TW2005 and NFS Underground the original is still miles behind in FPS compared to earlier CAT's.

You continually say you listen to the community, yet the most prevalent point is that CCC has been out how many months? And my 9700 Pro still doesn't function from get-go. I have to kill processes and respawn them. How would you feel, when you load up a new driver after ATI comes to forums to make people drool over just to find out the same problem is still occuring? I wasted a lot of time to get those drivers working again for a 3rd time. I'm so literally turned off on CCC that no matter what I will resort to 3rd party tools just to get rid of it. Maybe for X800 kinda users its great, for my 9700 Pro CCC does nothing much and AI does more to mess up already well running games. So if I use AI now, I have to constantly fudge with it turning it on and off just to verify if the game problem is with AI. One word, "irritating".

Other things off my head.
- why is there a Latency time of 255 on your cards. What can you say is negative about lowering it to 128, can it be lowered to 128? Or should it stay at 255 as per ATI native setting.
- why is there no controls for Guardband or SSE, it's been mentioned many times
- why do we need to use a Catalyst Cleaner if you have a uninstaller? Could you not clean up the uninstaller code to remove ALL of what "you" have installed? Even with your Cleaner, I still see registry entries.
- why must you leave temp directories on my HD after an installation?
- You say you don't support Fast Writes, if that's the case, why don't your drivers by default disable them. Also this contrasts with an article on your page that claims all your products support Fast writes. I believe it was mentioned by an ATI person on Rage3d that ATI doesn't support Fast Writes.. so what's the story?

*ATI Dude* · Dec 14, 2004, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgt.Slug

I'm not attacking you or trying to put you in a hard situation ATIdude. I'm a consumer and I don't like to be led around or misinformed, but..

(2) I'm not going to install BETA software to get my drivers working. I'm not one for system crashes and I'm not one to use a BETA package to make a 'release' program work. Control Panel??? but that means AI is on, and people need a 3rd party application(thankfully) to turn it off.

(3) You've known the issue since CCC was released, it was on Rage3D and it's prevalent on these forums(You say you read the forums)? Do you write the code or is a 3rd party writing it for you in-house? How does ATI not know how to get their own software to work with their own products??? I'm baffled.

(4) As long as you drop the disgusting amount of memory your control panel uses(300MB with dashboard), I can't see what else can be done to further CCC. Much less for those that are below your X line of products. Such as me for 9700. So you say that in terms of EVERYONE? or your new product owners? A.I, and I don't care what anyone says has shown ZERO in terms of performance gains or improved game playability for me. What am I not seeing in terms of AI? All I know with AI is that I have lag in my games whenever it is on. It certainly didn't fix TW2005 and it didn't fix the original NFS Underground. Grass corruption in TW2005 and NFS Underground the original is still miles behind in FPS compared to earlier CAT's.

You continually say you listen to the community, yet the most prevalent point is that CCC has been out how many months? And my 9700 Pro still doesn't function from get-go. I have to kill processes and respawn them. How would you feel, when you load up a new driver after ATI comes to forums to make people drool over just to find out the same problem is still occuring? I wasted a lot of time to get those drivers working again for a 3rd time. I'm so literally turned off on CCC that no matter what I will resort to 3rd party tools just to get rid of it. Maybe for X800 kinda users its great, for my 9700 Pro CCC does nothing much and AI does more to mess up already well running games. So if I use AI now, I have to constantly fudge with it turning it on and off just to verify if the game problem is with AI. One word, "irritating".

Other things off my head.
- why is there a Latency time of 255 on your cards. What can you say is negative about lowering it to 128, can it be lowered to 128? Or should it stay at 255 as per ATI native setting.
- why is there no controls for Guardband or SSE, it's been mentioned many times
- why do we need to use a Catalyst Cleaner if you have a uninstaller? Could you not clean up the uninstaller code to remove ALL of what "you" have installed? Even with your Cleaner, I still see registry entries.
- why must you leave temp directories on my HD after an installation?
- You say you don't support Fast Writes, if that's the case, why don't your drivers by default disable them. Also this contrasts with an article on your page that claims all your products support Fast writes. I believe it was mentioned by an ATI person on Rage3d that ATI doesn't support Fast Writes.. so what's the story?

I'll try and answer all of your questions:

2) & 3) It is unfortunate for those users who cannot get CCC to load properly that installing the .NET 2 beta seems to be the only solution right now. Yes I am aware that we have been saying since September (when CCC was released) that we have seen users with issues starting up CCC, but the unfortunate thing is that this looks like it is caused by an issue with .NET 1.1 - we have been having huge difficulty reproducing this in house (beleive me we wish we could; it would make fixing this issue easier). The only thing I can offer is try out the .NET 2.0 beta, which you don't want to do, or stick with the old CP. If you want to disable CATALYST A.I. yourself use regedit and search for a registry key called CatalystAI (REG_BINARY type) and set it to a value of 30.

4) The CLI bug (which last occurred in CAT 4.10) was a memory leak due to the flash screen in the welcome screen. CAT 4.12 CCC (all 3 CLIs) should use a total of 25 MB at most. Regarding CATALYST A.I. I can guarantee that you will see performance boosts in Doom3 and HL2. Also I know for a fact that CAT 4.12 fixes the TW2004/2005 issue for 9700 users

The only recommendations I can recommend for you is install .NET 2.0 and install the CAT 4.12's if this is not acceptable then use the CP or one of the many tweakers available until the official .NET 2.0 is released.

Regarding your other points:

1) Latency issue - I'm not sure what you're referring to
2) What SSE options would you like to see? Who's mentioned this - I honestly don't remember any talk of options for controlling SSE instructions (I actually don't see why we would either)
3) The CATALYST un-installer should remove all ATI files from your system. I'll look into this further to see if there is an issue
4) We leave the drivers on the system so it's easy for users to role back to older drivers - just delete the directories if ou don't like them
5) Don't think we ever said we don't support fastwrites - SMARTGART determines whether fast writes work on your system, if it fails then we disable it.

I wish I could tell you I had a fix for you so you can get CCC running with no problems on your system, unfortunately there are issues with .NET 1.1 (which ATI has no control over getting fixed - well we're trying to get them to release patches, but we've had no luck)

Netrat33 · Dec 14, 2004, 10:58 PM

Hey! How about Overdrive 3 for the x800s and not just the x850s

I'd like a little slider bar too for memory also!

I've always liked CCC and it's getting better and faster. I felt funny about using the 4.12betas only because I WASN'T using CCC. Feels "old" to me now *I know I could have still used CCC but...the PRINCIPLE of it not being 4.12s official CCC...Yea I know who cares but me

*

DarkFoss · Dec 14, 2004, 11:19 PM

I gave it an 8. I've never had issues with any version of the CCC from it's inception, and each version is definately better than the last. 2 minor grips are it still doesn't correctly detect my monitors max resolution, fortunately it does detect the maximum refresh rate. It's still a memory hog ie; it's the only prog Sandra still gives me warnings about it's memory usage.

First time I've seen the Overdrive tab, doesn't work properly but if I understand correctly it isn't supposed to be available for the X800 pro cards anyways so not really an issue there. Probably time to do as Neon sugested and do a clean install though, It has been 10 months, that's alot of driver/chipset installations.

TB_ · Dec 15, 2004, 12:51 AM

I thought id give people a little example of how nutts the CCC is. The CCC (Which should just be some cycle gads, radio gads, few buttons and occationly a scroll bar) is the equiv of 4x the size of the Doom3 game and engine code, 20minutes of MP3 audio, larger than Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird and the original Mozilla Suite together, 1/3rd the size of an Office Packlage, and around 1/7th the size of a Windows 95 install.

So.... unless the CCC uses the Unreal Engine 3 for modifying registry entires then somethings really wrong.

pr0digal jenius · Dec 15, 2004, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgt.Slug

I'm not attacking you or trying to put you in a hard situation ATIdude. I'm a consumer and I don't like to be led around or misinformed, but..

(2) I'm not going to install BETA software to get my drivers working. I'm not one for system crashes and I'm not one to use a BETA package to make a 'release' program work. Control Panel??? but that means AI is on, and people need a 3rd party application(thankfully) to turn it off.

(3) You've known the issue since CCC was released, it was on Rage3D and it's prevalent on these forums(You say you read the forums)? Do you write the code or is a 3rd party writing it for you in-house? How does ATI not know how to get their own software to work with their own products??? I'm baffled.

(4) As long as you drop the disgusting amount of memory your control panel uses(300MB with dashboard), I can't see what else can be done to further CCC. Much less for those that are below your X line of products. Such as me for 9700. So you say that in terms of EVERYONE? or your new product owners? A.I, and I don't care what anyone says has shown ZERO in terms of performance gains or improved game playability for me. What am I not seeing in terms of AI? All I know with AI is that I have lag in my games whenever it is on. It certainly didn't fix TW2005 and it didn't fix the original NFS Underground. Grass corruption in TW2005 and NFS Underground the original is still miles behind in FPS compared to earlier CAT's.

You continually say you listen to the community, yet the most prevalent point is that CCC has been out how many months? And my 9700 Pro still doesn't function from get-go. I have to kill processes and respawn them. How would you feel, when you load up a new driver after ATI comes to forums to make people drool over just to find out the same problem is still occuring? I wasted a lot of time to get those drivers working again for a 3rd time. I'm so literally turned off on CCC that no matter what I will resort to 3rd party tools just to get rid of it. Maybe for X800 kinda users its great, for my 9700 Pro CCC does nothing much and AI does more to mess up already well running games. So if I use AI now, I have to constantly fudge with it turning it on and off just to verify if the game problem is with AI. One word, "irritating".

Other things off my head.
- why is there a Latency time of 255 on your cards. What can you say is negative about lowering it to 128, can it be lowered to 128? Or should it stay at 255 as per ATI native setting.
- why is there no controls for Guardband or SSE, it's been mentioned many times
- why do we need to use a Catalyst Cleaner if you have a uninstaller? Could you not clean up the uninstaller code to remove ALL of what "you" have installed? Even with your Cleaner, I still see registry entries.
- why must you leave temp directories on my HD after an installation?
- You say you don't support Fast Writes, if that's the case, why don't your drivers by default disable them. Also this contrasts with an article on your page that claims all your products support Fast writes. I believe it was mentioned by an ATI person on Rage3d that ATI doesn't support Fast Writes.. so what's the story?

Being a programmer myself, I'll try and answer some of this for you.

2)He said that .NET 2.0 was supposed to eb out by the time the CCC was, which leads me to believe it was written on the 2.0 Beta in preperation to run on 2.0, which is why this is so...it's unfortunate that things turned out thsi way, but worse thigns can happen then having to run a beta application.

3)Same issues as #2

4)I think you're exagerating the memory useage a bit. It really isn't bad at all, especially nowadays when 512MB is the norm, and 1024 is fairly common. As per A.I, it wasn't designed to boost anything...it's always been set top ON in prior drivers. The big deal about it is it gives users compelte control over these optomizations and such and allows them to be turned OFF. If you want bug fixes...REPORT THEM.

ETC)
-Latency can be changed, 255 is extremely stable and is gauranteed nto to crash. You have to understand that when products/software are made they are written to run safely on everything, not to be tweaked to perfection for each individual user.

-I don't even know what GuardBand IS, and SSE isn't anythign i worry about. They prioritize and fix/add the thigns that please the msot people at a time...that's how things work in thsi world.

-Temp directories are there so you can uninstall it

-If it deleted all the registry values, updatign drivers woudl eb a pain as many of those save settings(such as resolution, product ID, etc) and isntallign new ones woudl take forever and a day and be a painful experience.

-As per fastwrites....I personally don't liek them as they amke for less stable overclocks

TB_: CCC incorporates a 3d demo that updates witht he settings on the fly(no 'video_restart' as you will find in modern graphics engines), contains skinning software licensed from stardock(windowblinds) If I am nto msitaken, as well as controlling a vast array of registry settings and .cfg/.ini files

if you want a simpler smaller one, they still offer the old CP, or perhaps you could convince them to write you a command prompt edition

Dec 14, 2004, 12:08 AM	#4
Lester40 HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Old Control Pannel or CCC? What does the CCC give you that the old control pannel does not? Is one better for performance than the other? Just curious . __________________ Take Care, Lester40 Dell Studio XPS 9100 i7-980X (12MB Cache, 3.33GHz), 12GB Tri Channel DDR3 SDRAM@1333MHz, 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache, ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB GDDR5, Dell 2407WFP (Digital) Monitor, 16x DVD+/- RW, Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit.

Dec 14, 2004, 01:30 AM	#5
crlorentzen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	10 minutes I crashed the CCC I'd say 7 times in 10 minutes. ATi needs better QA personel for this. just scroll through the smart shaders a liitle fast...or change a slider more than one notch somewhat quickly. At least it screwed up on my system. Also I see no benifit to the CCC except for AI control which I do not care about so both my personal feelings and my time using it make me not care for it...will try again next release though. BTW: drivers are gr8 in this release. More detail in Doom3 is the first thing I noticed. __________________

Dec 14, 2004, 02:29 AM	#6
ToP3koms Respect Human Rights Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: MD. US Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	I decided it was time to give CCC another shot with this release.I had tried it with the 4.9's and had quickly decided to unistall it ,as it was quite slow and not as functional as I was used to,and wait awhile .Well coming home and seeing the new official Cats today My mind was set,afterall I certainally realize that alot of work has been done since the 4.9's,I decided to also uninstall radlinker and really dig in and learn how to use the game/app profiling system as well. I took me just about the same time to get setup(Display,refreshfix,etc) as the old control panel,of course that was slowed by the loading of the CCC splash screen but I'll get to that later.Learning how to use the profiling system and getting the 5 or 6 games I have installed setup to run the way I want them to took Me about 30mins. and now actually works out better for me then radlinker.I must say I am quite impressed with how far the program has come since last attempting to use it. I gave the new CCC release an 8.It is performing the tasks it is intended to do and quite well thus far,for My purposes.,The only two problems I ran into which are the reasons for my deducting 2 points ,.. #1 - The Splash Screen ,can we have the option to disable it ? I mean I know I am using the Cataylst Control Center and it truely annoys me to have it forced on My screen ,like an Ad, when it is not necessary. #2 -just a bit of slowdown when applying profiles,which is understandable it just seemed a bit severe. I will continue to use the new control panel .Good Job ATI ,CM and the whole Catalyst crew the program has certainally come a long way in a short time.Thank you all for your hard work.Now if we could just get rid of that splash screen __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue]_____________________________ Asus A8N-SLI Premium/Athlon64 X2 4800+ 2Gb OCZ Platnium Edition PC3200 (2,3,2,5) 2 BFG 7800GTX /Creative X-Fi Western Digital 160Gb SATA II HD /Lite-On 16X DVD-RW Pc Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 510/ WinXP Pro Sp2 [/color]

Dec 14, 2004, 03:23 AM	#9
jaof DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Ccc Works after the first reboot. After a second reboot CCC doesn't come up. Went back to the old control panel with 4.12

Dec 14, 2004, 03:44 PM	#17
apoch003 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: usa Posts: 214 Rep Power: 0	Where does one get .NET 2.0? Ah.... I see a 2.0 BETA! Sheesh. ATi wouldn't write a certified driver and want you to download a beta component. Terrible advice. Last edited by apoch003; Dec 14, 2004 at 03:58 PM.

Dec 13, 2004, 09:39 PM	#1
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	Rate Catalyst 4.12 (CCC ONLY) You know the drill, rate how you find the newest version of CCC

Dec 13, 2004, 11:07 PM	#2
Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	Someone needs to convince me why I should use this over the old control pannel, as in times past it has caused problems with my O/S. By problems I mean blue screens and lockups when I execute the CCC.

Dec 14, 2004, 12:07 AM	Thread Starter #3
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 177	install .net 2. remove CP, install CCC, reboot. it really is getting a little faster with every release, I quite like it now.

Dec 14, 2004, 02:37 AM	#7
tornadog DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 0	I am quite impressed with the latest CCC, I wont say 10/10 thats still some way to go but pretty good, I love the options that come under advanced view, its more responsive, changes stick, zero crashes, well one exactly when i put in a setting and then before it could set, i tried to uncheck it, and that caused it to hang, regarding monitor settings like the refresh rate override I like the new options took some time to figure out what goes where but I like it now. I havent played around with the 3d settings for now I am leaving it at default...

Dec 14, 2004, 03:27 AM	#10
brownstonemr DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 0	Other than looking pretty and enabling the user to change options a different more attractive setting, how does this differ to the old CP? I installed CCC and prefer using the old CP. I don't care if the old CP isn't pretty with snazzy 3d renders. Also CCC is a memory hog and I find I can change my options in the old CP just as quick. For game profiles I just use radlinker anyways. Does AI control come with the old CP now? So performance wise is there any difference? I just can't see a good enough reason to have it installed.

Dec 14, 2004, 05:03 AM	#12
CaptainAmerica DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	I've had to use .net 2 betas for catalysts 4.10 through 4.11 because of random non-starting of the CCC. I left the .net 2's on for the 4.12's but will try to roll back to the .net 1.1's and see if the same issue occurs. Not sure why this happens with some folks and not others.

Dec 14, 2004, 06:35 AM	#14
TB_ DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	Im not very happy with it. Although the basic skin idea is fine, tho perhaps a little over the top for a consumer tool, the rest of the application is poor at best. First of all, using .net for a application like this isnt that smart as without tweaks the average joes going to have it hanging in memory all the time with the CCC installed and Im sure many of you are aware of the issues .net can cause when running, hitches, and the like. Then we have the app itself, with menus in off places, multiple options for the same thing, multiple displays for the same things, little or no in app descriptions for functions, and the fact the window is often to small for what its displayign isnt nice. If it wasnt for the fact you need the CCC to get things like Cat Ai/Geometry Instancing working (without fiddling with registry) Id be honest and say I would have it installed. if I was ATI I would seriously reconsider a complete rewrite of CCC. But hell... it could just be me

Dec 14, 2004, 08:54 AM	#15
makih HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 78 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	Does CCC have benefit over CP? I'm new at Ati drivers

Dec 14, 2004, 04:00 PM	#18
Sgt.Slug DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 136 Rep Power: 0	So what does this poll indicate? That most people can run the CCC. Great so those that can't are pointless customers who have to live with a problem. All this poll can do is hurt those who are constantly having problems with the CCC. Just like me, since CCC has ever been released it has failed to recognize my card and I must reload the processes to be able to use it. So what's the worth of the poll to me? zero.

Dec 14, 2004, 04:04 PM	#19
Derag DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	Seems fine to me...I really think that the Preview thing should either be removed entirely, or an option should be added that switches entirely on or off. It's really annoying to have the computer hang (even if only a little twitch) when I apply changed 3D settings, even on No Preview.

Dec 14, 2004, 05:02 PM	#20
farkas IT Support Specialist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ste-Anne-de-Beaupre, Québec, Can Posts: 175 Rep Power: 0	Did not use it long enough to give a vote. But I'll give my impressions. It seems to offer the same features as the standard CP, but with a cleaner GUI for newbies. The profiling feature seems quite promising, but it could also be part of the old CP. I did install .net just to see how it looked and worked, but since I'm a radlinker user (Or Omega's bundle), I went back to plain old driver and CP with radlinker after 2 hours of fidling with various games and playing with AI and other settings. To me, so far, CCC seems like a nice interface for non techical people or corporate environment. It offers a nice clean looking interface, and puts almost the various options and settings in a environment that makes things comprehensive in "layman's" terms. Problem with that, is I do not see why a corporate PC would need a 3-D viewing pane for x300SE's or profiling options. Also, I beleive that the CCC has a better interface for non techy people out there, but the brunt of them will be low end card owners and/or people who do not know the difference between IE and firefox etc..., so when they will install it, and get problems, they will keep blaming it on CCC, when they might not even have .net installed, or have never re-installed XP since it came out. I know that ATI will improve and define more the goal of CCC as time passes, but for now, it seems very good and nice and all, but absolutely not necessary. __________________ K8N DLX (s754) A64 3200+ Thermalright XP-120 Corsair CMX512C2 X 2 1GB total Asus X800XT PE with ATI Silencer 4 rev 1 120Gb Sea SATA + 120GB WD PATA + 80GB WD PATA Last edited by farkas; Dec 14, 2004 at 05:18 PM.

Dec 14, 2004, 06:47 PM	#22
bake15 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wigan,UK Posts: 582 Rep Power: 0	voted 9 out of 10 still a bit of work to be done but its heading in the right direction

Dec 14, 2004, 09:08 PM	#23
Anubis-Xp- DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rexdale, Ontario, Canada Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	lol i voted a 5 because my VPU Recover problem isn't fixed, it isn't a cooling problem, its the drivers i tell u!

Dec 14, 2004, 09:20 PM	#24
ATI Dude ATI guru Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	Few points: 1) The ability to disable the 3D preview will be included in CATALYST 5.1 2) Unfortunately .NET 2.0 was suppossed to be released last September when we released CCC, but it has been delayed until Spring 05. There are some issues in .NET 1.1 that need to be fixed, so the best solution right now is to try out the .NET 2.0 Beta. Also users can just grab the old CP until .NET 2.0 is released 3) ATI is very aware that many users are having issues starting CCC - we are trying to figure why this is the case (unfortunately this may be a .NET issue, hence why we suggest trying the .NET 2 beta for these users) 4) 2005 is going to be a huge year for CCC (besides continuing to enhance performance/fix bugs) we're going to be introducing a ton of new features (some which are mentioned in the recent interview). The most important point I want to make is that we are definitely listening to all of your feedback (we want to hear the good and the bad) so we can continue to improve both the driver and CCC and make them the best products possible. Thanks guys :-) - Andrew

Dec 14, 2004, 10:58 PM	#27
Netrat33 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	Hey! How about Overdrive 3 for the x800s and not just the x850s I'd like a little slider bar too for memory also! I've always liked CCC and it's getting better and faster. I felt funny about using the 4.12betas only because I WASN'T using CCC. Feels "old" to me now I know I could have still used CCC but...the PRINCIPLE of it not being 4.12s official CCC...Yea I know who cares but me __________________ A64 on Asus A8V Deluxe Bios 1.7 X800XTPE Stock speed (built by ATI) 1 Gig RAM 160 SATA seagate HD MX1000 Mouse

Dec 14, 2004, 11:19 PM	#28
DarkFoss HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Downers Grove IL Posts: 688 Rep Power: 0	I gave it an 8. I've never had issues with any version of the CCC from it's inception, and each version is definately better than the last. 2 minor grips are it still doesn't correctly detect my monitors max resolution, fortunately it does detect the maximum refresh rate. It's still a memory hog ie; it's the only prog Sandra still gives me warnings about it's memory usage. First time I've seen the Overdrive tab, doesn't work properly but if I understand correctly it isn't supposed to be available for the X800 pro cards anyways so not really an issue there. Probably time to do as Neon sugested and do a clean install though, It has been 10 months, that's alot of driver/chipset installations. __________________ Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin, 1755

Dec 15, 2004, 12:51 AM	#29
TB_ DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	I thought id give people a little example of how nutts the CCC is. The CCC (Which should just be some cycle gads, radio gads, few buttons and occationly a scroll bar) is the equiv of 4x the size of the Doom3 game and engine code, 20minutes of MP3 audio, larger than Mozilla Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird and the original Mozilla Suite together, 1/3rd the size of an Office Packlage, and around 1/7th the size of a Windows 95 install. So.... unless the CCC uses the Unreal Engine 3 for modifying registry entires then somethings really wrong.