Wandert speaks with Allan

KillerSneak · Jan 2, 2005, 03:52 PM

KILLERSNEAK

Quote:

DriverHeaven Crew,

I know the past years have been nothing but fighting, calling each other stupid names and all sorts of bad (in most cases childish things)
So we just entered a new year and i was hoping to make this a fresh and clean year without all the hustle from the last years. I hope
this year we can start clean, without all the bad things. Let's just try for once to get along with each other there are far worst things
in life than this so called "cold war" (just look at what happened in Thai land)

Please respond to the e-mail and let me know what DriverHeaven thinks of this proposal.

A happy and healthy new year to all of you..

[color=red]ZARDON[/color]

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Hi there,

Nice to hear from you. If you guys can stop the name calling and
causing issues in threads and on sites i dont see a problem with all
of us "getting on".

Happy new year to you guys as well, have a good one

KILLERSNEAK

Quote:

Allan,

Also nice to hear from you. Like i said I'm getting a little
tired about this whole situation. Just like i said there are far
worst things in life that could happen than the problems about modded driver
sets.

My father lives in Thai Land and i almost lost him, because of the Tsunami
I'm glad he was on a trip to another part of Thai Land at that same time
these kind of things really make you think about allot of things..

If Ill post an MSG about this tomorrow on the frontpage as I'm about
to go out and have some fun with some friends and my Girlfriend.

I also hope that it's possible to post again on DH and become part
of the community..

[color=red]ZARDON[/color]

Quote:

I appreciate the honesty. you are
right life is short, and driver sets are hardly "important" in the
grand scheme of things - I hope your father is ok and that sounds like
a pretty nasty situation you had going there.

As for posting on Driverheaven, you are welcome, ill inform my
moderators you might be posting in future on the site. I cannot of
course make some of the members on the site suddenly start to like
you, but hopefully you can work on that yourself.

Have a nice night with the girlfriend and friends.

Need i say more people, I hope we can all feel the same way this year. And forget about the past, and move on into the future

Asmoday · Jan 2, 2005, 03:56 PM

I like the sound of this, i hope we all can get along this year...

Warpy · Jan 2, 2005, 04:03 PM

This is good to hear, lets all try and make an effort, it is good to see such posts.

Chaos · Jan 2, 2005, 04:27 PM

Yes welcome back to DH, I hope the past couple years can be put aside and start fresh in 2005

mkk · Jan 2, 2005, 04:34 PM

Good luck to all and let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt for the start of this new year.

**MIG-31** · Jan 2, 2005, 04:36 PM

never used dna drivers myself....but a small bit of info that should help you out with you're drivers.

we now have a submit news since upgrade to vb3.....use that forum also as the radeon driver forum.you're drivers may hit the front page..

KillerSneak · Jan 2, 2005, 04:42 PM

Thanks for the support guys, i really appreciate it

@MIG-31:
Thanks for the tip. Ill keep that in Mind for the DNA 3.6.5.0. At DNA-drivers we also have a SUBMIT news button on the front page. At this point it's still with E-mail. But i like the way it's done here at DriverHeaven, maybe i could build this function into the DNA-drivers website

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 2, 2005, 06:36 PM

Welcome,

I can’t say a lot of us probably have some reservations about this but Z
knows what he’s doing. I personally don’t have an issue with this despite
what’s been said in the past on this forum and others. Though I do try to
keep my personal and professional opinions separated...

Though any tensions else were tend to spill over onto more then one site...
You’ll need to act as differently on every forum you frequent if you are to
improve your overall public image.

Only advice I can say is to ignore any “squabbling” matches and “flame
baiters”. Fallow the rules and let the forum moderators handle it. I can
guarantee there are probably more then a few members that are going
to get upset when they see this and spout off. Again don’t fret it the
moderators will handle it.

I’m sure many members and moderators will be attentively watchful
of how this develops. As for how well this pans out only time will tell….
Good luck…

BTW: If you need assistance let me know
(Now get posting!!!

)

pr0digal jenius · Jan 2, 2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Again don’t fret it the
moderators will handle it.

I’m sure many members and moderators will be attentively watchful
of how this develops.

Always

and I would like to join the party in welcoming you back, and I too hope some common ground has been reached and that we can all shake hands and have some fun

KillerSneak · Jan 2, 2005, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Welcome,

I can’t say a lot of us probably have some reservations about this but Z
knows what he’s doing. I personally don’t have an issue with this despite
what’s been said in the past on this forum and others. Though I do try to
keep my personal and professional opinions separated...

Though any tensions else were tend to spill over onto more then one site...
You’ll need to act as differently on every forum you frequent if you are to
improve your overall public image.

Only advice I can say is to ignore any “squabbling” matches and “flame
baiters”. Fallow the rules and let the forum moderators handle it. I can
guarantee there are probably more then a few members that are going
to get upset when they see this and spout off. Again don’t fret it the
moderators will handle it.

I’m sure many members and moderators will be attentively watchful
of how this develops. As for how well this pans out only time will tell….
Good luck…

BTW: If you need assistance let me know
(Now get posting!!!

)

Thanks for this post Neon this really means allot to me. And don't worry about the "flame baiters and squabbling" parts, the time that i would react to such things are gone. I hope we can all have a good time this year and have some healthy driver competition

and keep our common sense in all of this

pr0digal jenius · Jan 2, 2005, 06:51 PM

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 2, 2005, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerSneak

Thanks for this post Neon this really means allot to me. And don't worry about
the "flame baiters and squabbling" parts, the time that i would react to such
things are gone. I hope we can all have a good time this year and have some
healthy driver competition

and keep our common sense in all of this

Your welcome and I understand. It’s a hell of a lot harder to “mend feces”
then it is to burn bridges. It'll take some time but if you keep vigilant in your
efforts you should be welcomed with open arms. Just don’t expect any magor
changes overnight it’ll take some time. As for your drivers they have greatly
improved especally the installer. It's new year so lets all try to get along.

PoopyTheJ · Jan 2, 2005, 07:10 PM

Well, if you make some Nvidia drivers I'll be sure to try them out, until then welcome back...

KillerSneak · Jan 2, 2005, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Your welcome and I understand. It’s a hell of a lot harder to “mend feces”
then it is to burn bridges. It'll take some time but if you keep vigilant in your
efforts you should be welcomed with open arms. Just don’t expect any magor
changes overnight it’ll take some time. As for your drivers they have greatly
improved especally the installer. It's new year so lets all try to get along.

Thanks for that, some nice new features planned for the DNA 3.6.5.0 and LITE version. And i have all the time in the world now to set things straight, someting i should have done a long time ago..

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoopyTheJ

Well, if you make some Nvidia drivers I'll be sure to try them out, until then welcome back...

This might be a great year for you

Junkguy · Jan 2, 2005, 07:29 PM

Hi KillerSneak! I'm glad you're joining Driverheaven

KillerSneak · Jan 2, 2005, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkguy

Hi KillerSneak! I'm glad you're joining Driverheaven

Great to see you aswell m8..

How's the game modding going ?

riles9262 · Jan 2, 2005, 09:27 PM

Nice to see things looking up. Well, I forgot about the whole ordeals long ago, so I look forward to some driver modding discussion and such in the coming months. Welcome back KS and happy new year.

KillerSneak · Jan 2, 2005, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riles9262

Nice to see things looking up. Well, I forgot about the whole ordeals long ago, so I look forward to some driver modding discussion and such in the coming months. Welcome back KS and happy new year.

Thanks riles9262, and a happy new year to you as well. And those discussions will be here soon i hope (in a right way and without all the flaming and bashing) because the CAT 5.0 should be out within 2 weeks or so

and ill have a set ready soon after that

Ne0_MoRTiZ · Jan 3, 2005, 01:45 AM

Now that things are looking peachy, my wish or hope is for all the Driver Modders to get along and work together, sharing thoughts about how to set things right and ultimately creating the best modded drivers for the community.

I know this sounds a bit absurd since every drivers are modded with their own specific features (performance vs visual quality and vice versa) but it would be good to have drivers from the same crack team Modders offering such things.

These elite modders (and I would have no shame in calling them so) such as Omega, Unian, TC, DNA, Anzak to name a few should seriously think about working together.

Isn't it their goal in the first place to mod the ultimate drivers that would benefit the users and the community. Sharing and accessing informations with each other, they wouldn't have to be labelled as plaguarizers.

So what do you think guys?

Happy New Year 2005! Looking forward for great drivers from you guys and ofcourse, the original and still the best... ATI Catalyst Team.

bake15 · Jan 3, 2005, 02:45 AM

nah id prefer more choice than just one super driver

makes it more fun..

Sargentwhitey · Jan 3, 2005, 02:55 AM

I always like it when things like this happen

. Although I didn't know about the conflicts and such.. it's nice to see people getting along.

MindlessOath · Jan 3, 2005, 03:45 AM

i can really only say that this was done to promote new drivers, i dunno, but your past has been really bad with your attitude and general jist of things. how about following legal things first, and take it one step at a time, im sure by now you know the things that need to be added or changed to your drivers to make them comply with ATI's own wishes.

i hope you can change your ways, it will be better then... and i might hopfully respect you at some point... you have to earn someones trust, and in the past you did the direct oposit, and thats why in my reviews i always posted about how can one use your drivers if you act and react the way you have.

Keep that WELL in mind.

i dont think i will ever use your drivers, honestly because they ALWAYS are unstable and always have some sort of problem with them, and i dont know why, i havent tried the last 4 or 5 sets so i cant say that those have any major problems for my PC.

and honestly im not sure about trusting any reviews that came from any of your friends either, but thats just me, and when i bench my own findings and find something totaly differnt.

also keep that in mind, you make people precive you with your actions NO MATTER WHAT you do, everythign u do will make them precive you in some way, good or bad. choose wisly what you do and what you say, especially how you say that or do it.

Ne0_MoRTiZ · Jan 3, 2005, 09:25 AM

Aww... just drop it Mindlessoath. Stop sounding like a broken record.

This is a New Year and it is hard to earn someone else's trust and it's even harder to come out and admit past mistakes and try to mend broken bridges which is what KS is trying to do with the Driverheaven crew. Just have a thorough read through this whole post again.

Everyone else including Neon Cowboy who has been very vocal about KS is willing to accept apologies and mend the bridge so try doing so as well. We all know that to appreciate friends and lives now especially after what happenned by the horrific Tsunami is more important than some modded drivers. KS has already mentioned that he will be down to earth this time as he has moved on from his past. If he will ever do so in the future is another story then, no need for harsh warnings and such.

As for the whole ATI legal thingy of modders removing it and replacing it with their own text... Well, I'm very surprised as it's not only KS who's doing so. I've just downloaded the TC driver who replaced the whole legal text with only a sentence... 'Use drivers at your own expense' or something like that.

For me, as a supporter of all Ati drivers and modded drivers regardless of who makes them as long as they perform well to my liking... I'm just happy that at fragile times like this and also a new year, Driverheaven and KS took a big step in dropping the past and starting a new.

**MIG-31** · Jan 3, 2005, 09:52 AM

Now come on......he has only been back for a short time and even given an insight to the conversation via himself and zardon which did not need to be done.

and after all it takes way more than one person to turn threads into flames.give him time to prove himself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Welcome,

I can’t say a lot of us probably have some reservations about this but Z
knows what he’s doing. I personally don’t have an issue with this despite
what’s been said in the past on this forum and others. Though I do try to
keep my personal and professional opinions separated...

Though any tensions else were tend to spill over onto more then one site...
You’ll need to act as differently on every forum you frequent if you are to
improve your overall public image.

Only advice I can say is to ignore any “squabbling” matches and “flame
baiters”. Fallow the rules and let the forum moderators handle it. I can
guarantee there are probably more then a few members that are going
to get upset when they see this and spout off. Again don’t fret it the
moderators will handle it.

I’m sure many members and moderators will be attentively watchful
of how this develops. As for how well this pans out only time will tell….
Good luck…

BTW: If you need assistance let me know
(Now get posting!!!

)

Now if neon can make a good post like this,willing to bury the past i think more members can do so...at least in the near future.

KillerSneak · Jan 3, 2005, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MindlessOath

i can really only say that this was done to promote new drivers, i dunno, but your past has been really bad with your attitude and general jist of things. how about following legal things first, and take it one step at a time, im sure by now you know the things that need to be added or changed to your drivers to make them comply with ATI's own wishes.

i hope you can change your ways, it will be better then... and i might hopfully respect you at some point... you have to earn someones trust, and in the past you did the direct oposit, and thats why in my reviews i always posted about how can one use your drivers if you act and react the way you have.

Keep that WELL in mind.

i dont think i will ever use your drivers, honestly because they ALWAYS are unstable and always have some sort of problem with them, and i dont know why, i havent tried the last 4 or 5 sets so i cant say that those have any major problems for my PC.

and honestly im not sure about trusting any reviews that came from any of your friends either, but thats just me, and when i bench my own findings and find something totaly differnt.

also keep that in mind, you make people precive you with your actions NO MATTER WHAT you do, everythign u do will make them precive you in some way, good or bad. choose wisly what you do and what you say, especially how you say that or do it.

Well i appreciate your honesty but i do want to shed some light on some of the things you are thinking..

1- I'm not doing this to promote my driver, i don't have to say/post anything to promote them because the drivers will speak for themselves.

2- ATI's EULA is still in the package, i only used a switch in ATI's own installer to not show it so the drivers can be installed more quickly.

3- Since the DNA 3.5.4.12 / 3.5.4.12-LITE there is an license agreement in the installer.

4- The reviews didn't come from friends of mine but just sites like DriverHeaven

I hope i can convince you to change your thoughts and start clean just like the rest of (i hope). And maybe some day the DNA-drivers will be running on your system to.. Please don't think I'm trying to talk everything right or that I'm trying to protect myself from your criticize, because i appreciate your honesty and hope i can make you change your mind about it this year

I would also like to thank Neon, NeO and MIG-31 in particular for the very warm welcome on DH

BWX · Jan 3, 2005, 01:20 PM

Peace is better than war any day (unless you're in the [COLOR=Red]FWZ[/COLOR] of course)...

As long as credit is given where credit is due and everyone treats each other with a little respect there shouldn't be a problem..

I haven't followed all the [COLOR=Sienna]BS[/COLOR] about the DNA drivers in the past that closely because I love Omega drivers and will probably always use them.

If there is any truth to past allegations about "stealing" modded drivers (someone else's hard work) and calling them your own, I can't support that.

If that did happen and doesn't anymore, then let history stay where it is.

If it ever happens again, people won't be happy and I can't blame them.

Other than that, good luck KS.

MindlessOath · Jan 4, 2005, 07:11 AM

well, i just wanted to shed some light on some topics that were problematic in the past, never said i wouldnt be kind to you again, you have to gain respect, not get it handed to you.

and as for the rest of you, regardless, i dont have to do what everyone else does, if i dont agree i dont have too, dont tell me how i have to act :P like i said above and in the other post, he has to gain my trust, this is the first step, and i also outlined many things that happend in the past, and he must keep that in mind for the new year, he did most of the bullcrap to himself, keep that in mind... regardless if someone missunderstood him or not, like i said... present what you say carefully.

Zardon · Jan 4, 2005, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MindlessOath

well, i just wanted to shed some light on some topics that were problematic in the past, never said i wouldnt be kind to you again, you have to gain respect, not get it handed to you.

and as for the rest of you, regardless, i dont have to do what everyone else does, if i dont agree i dont have too, dont tell me how i have to act :P like i said above and in the other post, he has to gain my trust, this is the first step, and i also outlined many things that happend in the past, and he must keep that in mind for the new year, he did most of the bullcrap to himself, keep that in mind... regardless if someone missunderstood him or not, like i said... present what you say carefully.

I think most of us are aware of the things that happened in the past, im probably aware of more things than most of you.

Regardless, when someone comes to me with an apology and with the intention of making a fresh start I think its only fair they get that chance. I can understand the reservations from yourself and others who have emailed me, all I can ask is you just keep your mind open and see how things go. Nothing more.

Ill close this thread guys and we can get back to driver support and discussion in this forum section now..... hopefully 2005 can bring many good modded sets from our large community.

Jan 2, 2005, 03:56 PM	#2
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Jan 2, 2005, 04:27 PM	#4
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	Yes welcome back to DH, I hope the past couple years can be put aside and start fresh in 2005 __________________

Jan 2, 2005, 04:36 PM	#6
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,843 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	never used dna drivers myself....but a small bit of info that should help you out with you're drivers. we now have a submit news since upgrade to vb3.....use that forum also as the radeon driver forum.you're drivers may hit the front page.. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Jan 2, 2005, 04:42 PM	Thread Starter #7
KillerSneak DNA Driver creator Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 275 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Thanks for the support guys, i really appreciate it @MIG-31: Thanks for the tip. Ill keep that in Mind for the DNA 3.6.5.0. At DNA-drivers we also have a SUBMIT news button on the front page. At this point it's still with E-mail. But i like the way it's done here at DriverHeaven, maybe i could build this function into the DNA-drivers website __________________ MSI 790FX-GD70 AMD Phenom II 965 BE Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 Toxic 2GB 4GB DDR3 OCZ Reaper HPC 2TB raid-0 Samsung S.'s

Jan 2, 2005, 04:34 PM	#5
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Good luck to all and let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt for the start of this new year.

Jan 2, 2005, 06:36 PM	#8
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Welcome, I can’t say a lot of us probably have some reservations about this but Z knows what he’s doing. I personally don’t have an issue with this despite what’s been said in the past on this forum and others. Though I do try to keep my personal and professional opinions separated... Though any tensions else were tend to spill over onto more then one site... You’ll need to act as differently on every forum you frequent if you are to improve your overall public image. Only advice I can say is to ignore any “squabbling” matches and “flame baiters”. Fallow the rules and let the forum moderators handle it. I can guarantee there are probably more then a few members that are going to get upset when they see this and spout off. Again don’t fret it the moderators will handle it. I’m sure many members and moderators will be attentively watchful of how this develops. As for how well this pans out only time will tell…. Good luck… BTW: If you need assistance let me know (Now get posting!!! ) __________________

Jan 2, 2005, 06:51 PM	#11
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Jan 2, 2005, 07:10 PM	#13
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Jan 2, 2005, 07:29 PM	#15
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Jan 2, 2005, 09:27 PM	#17
riles9262 Driverheaven brewmaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,842 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Nice to see things looking up. Well, I forgot about the whole ordeals long ago, so I look forward to some driver modding discussion and such in the coming months. Welcome back KS and happy new year. __________________ A beer a day keeps the doctor away.

Jan 3, 2005, 01:45 AM	#19
Ne0_MoRTiZ DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Now that things are looking peachy, my wish or hope is for all the Driver Modders to get along and work together, sharing thoughts about how to set things right and ultimately creating the best modded drivers for the community. I know this sounds a bit absurd since every drivers are modded with their own specific features (performance vs visual quality and vice versa) but it would be good to have drivers from the same crack team Modders offering such things. These elite modders (and I would have no shame in calling them so) such as Omega, Unian, TC, DNA, Anzak to name a few should seriously think about working together. Isn't it their goal in the first place to mod the ultimate drivers that would benefit the users and the community. Sharing and accessing informations with each other, they wouldn't have to be labelled as plaguarizers. So what do you think guys? Happy New Year 2005! Looking forward for great drivers from you guys and ofcourse, the original and still the best... ATI Catalyst Team.

Jan 3, 2005, 02:45 AM	#20
bake15 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wigan,UK Posts: 582 Rep Power: 0	nah id prefer more choice than just one super drivermakes it more fun..

Jan 3, 2005, 02:55 AM	#21
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Jan 3, 2005, 03:45 AM	#22
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	i can really only say that this was done to promote new drivers, i dunno, but your past has been really bad with your attitude and general jist of things. how about following legal things first, and take it one step at a time, im sure by now you know the things that need to be added or changed to your drivers to make them comply with ATI's own wishes. i hope you can change your ways, it will be better then... and i might hopfully respect you at some point... you have to earn someones trust, and in the past you did the direct oposit, and thats why in my reviews i always posted about how can one use your drivers if you act and react the way you have. Keep that WELL in mind. i dont think i will ever use your drivers, honestly because they ALWAYS are unstable and always have some sort of problem with them, and i dont know why, i havent tried the last 4 or 5 sets so i cant say that those have any major problems for my PC. and honestly im not sure about trusting any reviews that came from any of your friends either, but thats just me, and when i bench my own findings and find something totaly differnt. also keep that in mind, you make people precive you with your actions NO MATTER WHAT you do, everythign u do will make them precive you in some way, good or bad. choose wisly what you do and what you say, especially how you say that or do it. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison Last edited by MindlessOath; Jan 3, 2005 at 03:58 AM.

Jan 3, 2005, 09:25 AM	#23
Ne0_MoRTiZ DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Aww... just drop it Mindlessoath. Stop sounding like a broken record. This is a New Year and it is hard to earn someone else's trust and it's even harder to come out and admit past mistakes and try to mend broken bridges which is what KS is trying to do with the Driverheaven crew. Just have a thorough read through this whole post again. Everyone else including Neon Cowboy who has been very vocal about KS is willing to accept apologies and mend the bridge so try doing so as well. We all know that to appreciate friends and lives now especially after what happenned by the horrific Tsunami is more important than some modded drivers. KS has already mentioned that he will be down to earth this time as he has moved on from his past. If he will ever do so in the future is another story then, no need for harsh warnings and such. As for the whole ATI legal thingy of modders removing it and replacing it with their own text... Well, I'm very surprised as it's not only KS who's doing so. I've just downloaded the TC driver who replaced the whole legal text with only a sentence... 'Use drivers at your own expense' or something like that. For me, as a supporter of all Ati drivers and modded drivers regardless of who makes them as long as they perform well to my liking... I'm just happy that at fragile times like this and also a new year, Driverheaven and KS took a big step in dropping the past and starting a new.

Jan 3, 2005, 01:20 PM	#26
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Peace is better than war any day (unless you're in the [COLOR=Red]FWZ[/COLOR] of course)... As long as credit is given where credit is due and everyone treats each other with a little respect there shouldn't be a problem.. I haven't followed all the [COLOR=Sienna]BS[/COLOR] about the DNA drivers in the past that closely because I love Omega drivers and will probably always use them. If there is any truth to past allegations about "stealing" modded drivers (someone else's hard work) and calling them your own, I can't support that. If that did happen and doesn't anymore, then let history stay where it is. If it ever happens again, people won't be happy and I can't blame them. Other than that, good luck KS. __________________

Jan 4, 2005, 07:11 AM	#27
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	well, i just wanted to shed some light on some topics that were problematic in the past, never said i wouldnt be kind to you again, you have to gain respect, not get it handed to you. and as for the rest of you, regardless, i dont have to do what everyone else does, if i dont agree i dont have too, dont tell me how i have to act :P like i said above and in the other post, he has to gain my trust, this is the first step, and i also outlined many things that happend in the past, and he must keep that in mind for the new year, he did most of the bullcrap to himself, keep that in mind... regardless if someone missunderstood him or not, like i said... present what you say carefully. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison