5.1 ATI Drivers..

Genius · Jan 14, 2005, 10:23 PM

C'mon CM give up the goods before you go home today you know you wanna

DarkFoss · Jan 14, 2005, 11:09 PM

I'm betting that they will be released on Monday, since thats the day the Linux drivers are supposed to be released

KillerSneak · Jan 14, 2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CATALYST maker

well what can i tell you about 5.1's?
-it wont have digitial vibrance (whatever that is) as suggested on these forums
-it will be available sometime between now and a week from now
-i havent seen any performance increases reported on them
-CCC will support all RADEON's now and should run faster

Nothing major to be honest. Just a decent, solid update without much flash and bang

Great to hear I'm sure allot of people will be pleased to see that CCC will now work on their cards.

I'm also happy to see that "digital we need more colors gimmick" won't be an ATI feature as imho ATi is more vibrant with colors that nVidia will ever be.

UnTouchAble · Jan 14, 2005, 11:40 PM

No performance increase?

Whats the point :/

cypher_138 · Jan 14, 2005, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerSneak

I'm also happy to see that "digital we need more colors gimmick" won't be an ATI feature

Yeah it's good to see them focusing their attention where it needs to be and not on an over rated feature.

It's just human nature for people to desire what they don't have I guess.

griswoold · Jan 14, 2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UnTouchAble

No performance increase?

Whats the point :/

you kids are spoiled

crlorentzen · Jan 14, 2005, 11:58 PM

All I want it rock solid, stable drivers.

If I perform well in something gr8 if not okay I'll change the settings a little...just make the drivers consistent, which it seems that ATi Does.

However I kindof like nVidia's way of releasing better, just keep wokring until we have something good, and not be constrained by a release schedule, it seems like it hurts the quality sometimes.

Anyways just my 2 cents.

UnTouchAble · Jan 15, 2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by griswoold

you kids are spoiled

lol!

Well i got the new .NET framework ready for CCC

Someone suggested that you see performance increase with last ones with that installed.. hopefully new ones should kick ass as there gonna be better

Vapor · Jan 15, 2005, 02:56 AM

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Well i got the new .NET framework ready for CCC

Same here.

I've rather liked the recent versions of CCC and I've got a feeling that I'll like this one too since all they seem to be doing is making it faster and adding a few (relatively) minor features here and there.

As for digital vibrance--I would hate it, all my colors are already perfect as is. All I can say is that I liked it when I had my Ti4400 but now with my 9800XT, I feel it's utterly useless and actually hampers image quality (relative to ATi's offerings...it did help nV's).

As for the lack of performance increases, they probably wouldn't apply to me anyway as I have a previous gen card. Besides, I typically use Omegas or DNAs for my gaming partition (dual monitors can really be a nusance some times).

Anyway, keep up the good work ATi!

Judas · Jan 15, 2005, 03:51 AM

atm, i only have troubles with dual monitor when i play EA or Ubisoft games... ( not serprised

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Robert McClelland · Jan 15, 2005, 05:28 AM

I think I know why drivers have been delay my hard drive has die on me. ATI read my thing waiting to I get my replacement back

hehe j/k I won't get my new replacement to on Monday by UPS that would be perfect day for me and new drivers

gordon151 · Jan 15, 2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by multiblitz

Will there be a driver which will incease video quality of the x800 and match the quality of the 6800 ?
Please have a view on the moon example http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2305&p=6
I have many DVDs here where this shortcome of the x800 are clearly visible.

That's the nVidia decoder, not the driver doing that. You could get PowerDVD which does software deinterlacing (thought this came with all new cards?) or you could get the MMC suite (with dvd decoder & player) which has ATI's solution which is similar to PureVideo and might even be slightly better from what we saw in the pcpers review.

UnTouchAble · Jan 15, 2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vapor

Same here.

I've rather liked the recent versions of CCC and I've got a feeling that I'll like this one too since all they seem to be doing is making it faster and adding a few (relatively) minor features here and there.

As for digital vibrance--I would hate it, all my colors are already perfect as is. All I can say is that I liked it when I had my Ti4400 but now with my 9800XT, I feel it's utterly useless and actually hampers image quality (relative to ATi's offerings...it did help nV's).

As for the lack of performance increases, they probably wouldn't apply to me anyway as I have a previous gen card. Besides, I typically use Omegas or DNAs for my gaming partition (dual monitors can really be a nusance some times).

Anyway, keep up the good work ATi!

Yeh but it would be nice to have that feature, my dad has an nVidia card and has digi vib on when hes playin DC, looks soo much nicer then mine and i have my gfx on full

Beng · Jan 15, 2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerSneak

I'm also happy to see that "digital we need more colors gimmick" won't be an ATI feature as imho ATi is more vibrant with colors that nVidia will ever be.

This are stories from the old days. X800 vs 6800 producing nearly identical colors.

I don't understand this "i'm happy to see that DV won't be an Ati feature" talk.
Why spoil the party for people who do want it? It will be a checkbox, you don't have to use it. Nobody's forcing you.

GeneralClaymore · Jan 15, 2005, 04:54 PM

Cuz it not really something inportant to be wasting time on, to put in drivers. they got other inportant stuff to fix and make work. then wasting time putting something in ccc cuz other people want.

let them do the inportant stuff first , then add the uninportant stuff later. like the other guy said , you can just use powerstripe for that.

nuG · Jan 15, 2005, 08:19 PM

they better come out today

crlorentzen · Jan 15, 2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nuG

they better come out today

Okay we will release them just because you said they have to come out today.

LOL people are impatient. What is so wrong with 4.12 right now? just relax and wait.

nuG · Jan 15, 2005, 08:58 PM

cause i want them right now. lol. thats all the reason they need.

Bicka · Jan 15, 2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralClaymore

Cuz it not really something inportant to be wasting time on, to put in drivers. they got other inportant stuff to fix and make work. then wasting time putting something in ccc cuz other people want.

let them do the inportant stuff first , then add the uninportant stuff later. like the other guy said , you can just use powerstripe for that.

I dare ya to say that to the guy who thought up the smartshader's option in the control panel *runs away and hides*

Honestly though, its a nice option to have, and if powerstrip and other programs can do it, then all the easier for ATI to knock one of their own up.

Nobodies fretting over the option, or demanding it for that matter. It would just be a nice option to throw in one day...like a fully working color profiler *cough*

multiblitz · Jan 15, 2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gordon151

That's the nVidia decoder, not the driver doing that. You could get PowerDVD which does software deinterlacing (thought this came with all new cards?) or you could get the MMC suite (with dvd decoder & player) which has ATI's solution which is similar to PureVideo and might even be slightly better from what we saw in the pcpers review.

You must be joking. I have the ATI-Cyberlink codecs here and they are so incredible inferior to Nvidia-Codecs / Drivers, even when used with my X800, the picture quality is better with the Nvidia Codec.

Netheless, it seems to be the combination. When using the Nvidia Codec, the ATI-cards have this issue. When using a different codec on the Nvidia cards like Dscaler 5, the Nvidia cards have as well the same issue as the ATIs.

I have read some rumors somewhere that ATI wants to improve the video quality as well and now I am only wondering when we will see this.

Beng · Jan 16, 2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bicka

I dare ya to say that to the guy who thought up the smartshader's option in the control panel *runs away and hides*

Yeah, and the 3d preview in CCC.

GeneralClaymore · Jan 16, 2005, 12:32 AM

why should ati drop every thing , just to put Dv in there ccc. All i want is them to work on the drivers to increase perfomance, and fixes.

Why must Ati add it to ccc when you can just get power strip and use that to do it. it point less for ati to waste there time on adding there ver to ccc. just use Power strip to change them settings,or wait. it be in ccc when its time.

The 3d thing gives you a idea what AA and Af suppose to do incase you do not know, and there are people who do not know what aa and af does. thats the whole point of that 3d car going down the end less road.

Smart Shader option was in the normal ATI control panels,under one of the options. they added it to CCC cuz it was already in the normal one.So of course they gonna put it in CCC also. some of smartshader effects are usefull like if u playing a game and want to use motion blur in a game that don't have it, or a Dx6 game or even games that don't work with aa.

So just wait for them to add it in , it not a must have that they need to drop every thing to add now. it does not sell cards. To me i don't see the need of it.

Just go to www.downloads.com or www.majorgeeks.com and download power strip to tie you over til its added.

i used Dv b4 and didn't like the way it made my games, so i wouldn't care if they don't add it at all. but thats me.

pir8nyc · Jan 16, 2005, 12:45 AM

tried using ati MMC, the anti-aliasing does kick in, although it makes the dvd video look a little too soft focused for my taste. also, the interface was kinda bloated not too streamlined, to download this go to:
http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/w...1&submit=GO%21

don't worry about having an all-in-wonder or anything, you will need your original ATI install CD to install the dvd drivers.

Other than that, these posts of having digital vibrance or not is getting kinda repetitive, let's just wait till we get the drivers.

Bicka · Jan 16, 2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneralClaymore

why should ati drop every thing , just to put Dv in there ccc. All i want is them to work on the drivers to increase perfomance, and fixes.

Again I'll point out, 'Whose saying that ATI should drop everything to add this feature?'

Why must Ati add it to ccc when you can just get power strip and use that to do it. it point less for ati to waste there time on adding there ver to ccc. just use Power strip to change them settings,or wait. it be in ccc when its time.

And if its already been done, it'll be even less hassle to implement it in to their own drivers. Saving the hassle of installing yet another program to do a simple enough task.

Smart Shader option was in the normal ATI control panels,under one of the options. they added it to CCC cuz it was already in the normal one.So of course they gonna put it in CCC also. some of smartshader effects are usefull like if u playing a game and want to use motion blur in a game that don't have it, or a Dx6 game or even games that don't work with aa.

My smartshader example was meant with the original control panel in mind... They implemented something purely for coolness, an extra unneccesary feature. Why is it such a burden to do something like that again?

So just wait for them to add it in , it not a must have that they need to drop every thing to add now. it does not sell cards. To me i don't see the need of it.

Well there we go. Yeah I'll gladly wait...btw smartshaders were advertised a hell of a lot with the new directx9 cards last year. Its pasted all over my Asus 9800XT box. They could easily do that again with their own digital vibrance.

i used Dv b4 and didn't like the way it made my games, so i wouldn't care if they don't add it at all. but thats me.

You didn't like it and alot of other people it seems, which is a shame because the small minority loved and miss it.

When I switched over from my dying ti4400 to the 9800 I forgot I had digital vibrance enabled prior to uninstalling...my desktop looked so dull and bland when my new card kick up windows. Was a real dissappointment to find no such option in the ATI drivers

Anyways, this all got me thinking.

Would it be possible to simulate digital vibrance via a smartshader?
If it is, then its not only possible for us, the customer to do, but its insanely simplistic for ATI to do as well.

Spyre · Jan 16, 2005, 01:55 AM

Already been done via a smartshader (for OGL)

Beng · Jan 16, 2005, 02:12 AM

Rick Wang from Powerstrip says that DV is a "hardware thing", it cannot be enabled by drivers!!! Sorry folks but it looks that DV is Nvidia only.

Link

Btw, i see absolutely no difference in enabling/disabling the color vibrance option in Powerstrip on my X800.

Jitter · Jan 16, 2005, 02:15 AM

I have to disagree that you dont need DV if you have a good monitor or that it makes no difference. I have what i think is at least a decent monitor (Sony Trinitron), and digital vibrance in the powerstrip program does make a fairly significant difference. It would be a nice feature to add to a driver package but I wont freak out if they dont add it or a similar feature.

EDIT:
I posteed this at about the same time as people right after me, I just tried the newer powerstrip and if you goto color profiles and configure, then scroll down to boost color vibrance it definitely makes a difference for my 9700 and monitor dunno why it doesnt work for you.

Ev!L-aLphA · Jan 16, 2005, 02:19 AM

ATI added the CCC because THEY wanted to... they wanted us to have a nicer interface and a easier way to control things....

stop saying its a waste of time.. they want to make it nicer and easier on us by making us nice extra things...

you can go use whatever the heck power strip is but i know im still going to use the CCC cuz its great and ive never had a problem with settings and stuff in it.

Bicka · Jan 16, 2005, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ev!L-aLphA

ATI added the CCC because THEY wanted to... they wanted us to have a nicer interface and a easier way to control things....

stop saying its a waste of time.. they want to make it nicer and easier on us by making us nice extra things...

you can go use whatever the heck power strip is but i know im still going to use the CCC cuz its great and ive never had a problem with settings and stuff in it.

That is soooooooooo not what were talking about

This is a discussion about a driver (if it can be done in software) feature we'd like to see in the future.

Thanks for that link btw Beng.

UnTouchAble · Jan 16, 2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spyre

Already been done via a smartshader (for OGL)

Hmmm, SMARTSHADER(tm) has no effects that look like Gigi Vib.

Unless off Cource u can download diff D3D ones?
I cant find none thou

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Jan 14, 2005, 11:58 PM	#67
crlorentzen DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	All I want it rock solid, stable drivers. If I perform well in something gr8 if not okay I'll change the settings a little...just make the drivers consistent, which it seems that ATi Does. However I kindof like nVidia's way of releasing better, just keep wokring until we have something good, and not be constrained by a release schedule, it seems like it hurts the quality sometimes. Anyways just my 2 cents. __________________

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Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,249 Rep Power: 193 System Specs	I think I know why drivers have been delay my hard drive has die on me. ATI read my thing waiting to I get my replacement back hehe j/k I won't get my new replacement to on Monday by UPS that would be perfect day for me and new drivers __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2242746

Jan 15, 2005, 04:54 PM	#75
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 431 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Cuz it not really something inportant to be wasting time on, to put in drivers. they got other inportant stuff to fix and make work. then wasting time putting something in ccc cuz other people want. let them do the inportant stuff first , then add the uninportant stuff later. like the other guy said , you can just use powerstripe for that. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LME49720NA + 2x LME49710NA > Fiio E9(OPA2111AM)> DT880 pro 250ohm

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UnTouchAble DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: S-O-T Posts: 342 Rep Power: 0	No performance increase? Whats the point :/

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Jan 16, 2005, 12:32 AM	#82
GeneralClaymore HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MI Posts: 431 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	why should ati drop every thing , just to put Dv in there ccc. All i want is them to work on the drivers to increase perfomance, and fixes. Why must Ati add it to ccc when you can just get power strip and use that to do it. it point less for ati to waste there time on adding there ver to ccc. just use Power strip to change them settings,or wait. it be in ccc when its time. The 3d thing gives you a idea what AA and Af suppose to do incase you do not know, and there are people who do not know what aa and af does. thats the whole point of that 3d car going down the end less road. Smart Shader option was in the normal ATI control panels,under one of the options. they added it to CCC cuz it was already in the normal one.So of course they gonna put it in CCC also. some of smartshader effects are usefull like if u playing a game and want to use motion blur in a game that don't have it, or a Dx6 game or even games that don't work with aa. So just wait for them to add it in , it not a must have that they need to drop every thing to add now. it does not sell cards. To me i don't see the need of it. Just go to www.downloads.com or www.majorgeeks.com and download power strip to tie you over til its added. i used Dv b4 and didn't like the way it made my games, so i wouldn't care if they don't add it at all. but thats me. __________________ Source: x-fi titanium hd 2x LME49720NA + 2x LME49710NA > Fiio E9(OPA2111AM)> DT880 pro 250ohm Last edited by GeneralClaymore; Jan 16, 2005 at 12:46 AM.

Jan 16, 2005, 12:45 AM	#83
pir8nyc DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	tried using ati MMC, the anti-aliasing does kick in, although it makes the dvd video look a little too soft focused for my taste. also, the interface was kinda bloated not too streamlined, to download this go to: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/w...1&submit=GO%21 don't worry about having an all-in-wonder or anything, you will need your original ATI install CD to install the dvd drivers. Other than that, these posts of having digital vibrance or not is getting kinda repetitive, let's just wait till we get the drivers.

Jan 16, 2005, 01:55 AM	#85
Spyre DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 240 Rep Power: 60	Already been done via a smartshader (for OGL) __________________ ATI Beta Tester game.AMD.Moderator

Jan 16, 2005, 02:12 AM	#86
Beng DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0	Rick Wang from Powerstrip says that DV is a "hardware thing", it cannot be enabled by drivers!!! Sorry folks but it looks that DV is Nvidia only. Link Btw, i see absolutely no difference in enabling/disabling the color vibrance option in Powerstrip on my X800.

Jan 16, 2005, 02:15 AM	#87
Jitter HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 533 Rep Power: 0	I have to disagree that you dont need DV if you have a good monitor or that it makes no difference. I have what i think is at least a decent monitor (Sony Trinitron), and digital vibrance in the powerstrip program does make a fairly significant difference. It would be a nice feature to add to a driver package but I wont freak out if they dont add it or a similar feature. EDIT: I posteed this at about the same time as people right after me, I just tried the newer powerstrip and if you goto color profiles and configure, then scroll down to boost color vibrance it definitely makes a difference for my 9700 and monitor dunno why it doesnt work for you. __________________ Sony Vaio PCV-RX670 P4 1.8ghz XP Pro SP2 1 GB PC2100 RAM ATI All in Wonder 9700 pro Audigy 2 ZS Aquamark ~29,500 3dMark03 ~ 5,000 Last edited by Jitter; Jan 16, 2005 at 02:24 AM.

Jan 16, 2005, 02:19 AM	#88
Ev!L-aLphA \| n f e c t e D Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California Posts: 4,111 Rep Power: 60	ATI added the CCC because THEY wanted to... they wanted us to have a nicer interface and a easier way to control things.... stop saying its a waste of time.. they want to make it nicer and easier on us by making us nice extra things... you can go use whatever the heck power strip is but i know im still going to use the CCC cuz its great and ive never had a problem with settings and stuff in it. __________________ R.I.P 8/8/04 4/21/08