9600xt

Webster132 · Jul 28, 2005, 05:39 AM

Well i recently got a new computer(Yesterday) with this graphics card. The problem, if it is a problem during game play. i.e.(Counter-Strike 1.6) My Frames Per Second seem to drop everytime i look at someone, or a dead bodie, or just surten parts of my map
I have configed the graphics card for best performance to as much as i know.

Now what i'm wondering is, alot of people have the same grapics card as me and get 100 FPS Constent, and for me it will drop down to 30 sometimes.

Where does the other 80 come from? or where is it going?

Thank you.

Robert McClelland · Jul 28, 2005, 05:53 AM

I used have it

but I got rid of it and went for x700pro agp never went back I love this card so far. How many watts do you have in psu? welcome DH

Togashi · Jul 28, 2005, 06:10 AM

I have the same problem with 9550 running @ 9600 pro/xt... and I always had this problem with ATI cards... some people say is a matter of PSU, but the main reason is that CS runs on a very old engine and opengl driver is optimized for newer games... I even tried "ultimate cs drivers" and they run only a little better... I now get the same fps as with my older 9100/8500.

Webster132 · Jul 28, 2005, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togashi

I have the same problem with 9550 running @ 9600 pro/xt... and I always had this problem with ATI cards... some people say is a matter of PSU, but the main reason is that CS runs on a very old engine and opengl driver is optimized for newer games... I even tried "ultimate cs drivers" and they run only a little better... I now get the same fps as with my older 9100/8500.

Bah, i'm sure there is a way to get higher fps, mabye it's my CPU? i only have a Pent 4 2.0

And thanks

(For who ever welcomed me)

redsolar · Jul 28, 2005, 07:23 AM

What are your system specs? Which CPU, board, RAM, etc?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 28, 2005, 06:56 PM

If you've got anti aliasing on its normal.

CS 1.6 shouldn't lag a 9600 though...it barely touched my 8500 @ 1024x768 anyway

Webster132 · Jul 28, 2005, 09:14 PM

CPU 2.0 Pent 4
512 RAM
ACUS P4P800S Mother Board
40 gigs lol

Ðamage™ · Jul 28, 2005, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster132

Well i recently got a new computer(Yesterday) with this graphics card. The problem, if it is a problem during game play. i.e.(Counter-Strike 1.6) My Frames Per Second seem to drop everytime i look at someone, or a dead bodie, or just surten parts of my map
I have configed the graphics card for best performance to as much as i know.

Now what i'm wondering is, alot of people have the same grapics card as me and get 100 FPS Constent, and for me it will drop down to 30 sometimes.

Where does the other 80 come from? or where is it going?

Thank you.

This usually happens because of your motherboard/chipset drivers not being installed properly with your ati drivers. I'd try uninstalling your ati drivers and if you've installed your chipset drivers I'd uninstall those as well. Then use drivercleaner and get rid of all the stuff that's been left behind, then install your chipset drivers first > reboot.. then install your ati drivers > reboot and you should be fine. Also after installing games and drivers you should always (rule of thumb) do a defragment of any partition on the Harddrive.

Peace

Webster132 · Jul 28, 2005, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ðamage™

This usually happens because of your motherboard/chipset drivers not being installed properly with your ati drivers. I'd try uninstalling your ati drivers and if you've installed your chipset drivers I'd uninstall those as well. Then use drivercleaner and get rid of all the stuff that's been left behind, then install your chipset drivers first > reboot.. then install your ati drivers > reboot and you should be fine. Also after installing games and drivers you should always (rule of thumb) do a defragment of any partition on the Harddrive.

Peace

Well since my fps jumps from 100 down to 40 sometimes in maps well all the time, i think it's just one option i need to turn on or off for my graphics card or something

Ðamage™ · Jul 29, 2005, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster132

Well since my fps jumps from 100 down to 40 sometimes in maps well all the time, i think it's just one option i need to turn on or off for my graphics card or something

It's your call Webster, but Counter-Strike 1.6 shouldn't be giving you that many problems with your fps like it is. I've had the same problem before and I did exactly what I explained and I was fraggin @ 100 constant fps.

Peace and Good luck

Togashi · Jul 29, 2005, 03:03 AM

As I said, this is a very random problem and I don´t know why it happens... I used to get 100 fps with an athlon 1700+ and geforce4 mx460 (that´s why I changed the better 8500 in the first place) with 256 MB ram , same mobo. Now I get less fps with a better card, better cpu, more than double the memory, and a lot of overclock... how you can explain that? It isn´t a matter of chipset or card, it´s just the drivers that don´t run well on older software. I´ve tried all the tweaks I found but nothing seems to solve my problem. Disabling vsync is NOT a solution, I run my monitor @ 120 hz w/triple buffering so I should get 100 fps and also enabling developer isn´t a solution, is just a graphic glitch.

Last thing... why 100 fps? (If you don´t play CS) That´s because the crosshair shrinks @ fps speed, so less fps = worse aim

Ðamage™ · Jul 29, 2005, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togashi

As I said, this is a very random problem and I don´t know why it happens... I used to get 100 fps with an athlon 1700+ and geforce4 mx460 (that´s why I changed the better 8500 in the first place) with 256 MB ram , same mobo. Now I get less fps with a better card, better cpu, more than double the memory, and a lot of overclock... how you can explain that? It isn´t a matter of chipset or card, it´s just the drivers that don´t run well on older software. I´ve tried all the tweaks I found but nothing seems to solve my problem. Disabling vsync is NOT a solution, I run my monitor @ 120 hz w/triple buffering so I should get 100 fps and also enabling developer isn´t a solution, is just a graphic glitch.

Last thing... why 100 fps? (If you don´t play CS) That´s because the crosshair shrinks @ fps speed, so less fps = worse aim

FPS = frames per second

It (fps) has nothing to do with aim in counter-strike or any other game for that matter. It's really not that random of a problem that your dealing with here, if you install all your drivers properly and have your directx updated then you should be getting 100fps in counter-strike without an issue. I would take a read @ these two articles, and maybe that might help you understand a little better on your ati drivers and the game counter-strike.

Peace

Webster132 · Jul 29, 2005, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ðamage™

FPS = frames per second

It (fps) has nothing to do with aim in counter-strike or any other game for that matter. It's really not that random of a problem that your dealing with here, if you install all your drivers properly and have your directx updated then you should be getting 100fps in counter-strike without an issue. I would take a read @ these two articles, and maybe that might help you understand a little better on your ati drivers and the game counter-strike.

Peace

I took a picture of my settings, what should i change or have?

i dont know what code you use so give me a sec

Ferret_Style · Jul 29, 2005, 11:57 PM

Drop your af down... with that card aa should not be up that high

Honestly i would try with it set for application also and see if the issue occurs also. If not you know the problem. Even with my 9800 i do not run mine as 16 x AF. Usually around 8 or so.

nitrousoxide52 · Jul 30, 2005, 12:08 AM

CS 1.6 stays almost always locked at 100 FPS even when I have AA/AF on, still try turning them off.

Webster132 · Jul 30, 2005, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrousoxide52

CS 1.6 stays almost always locked at 100 FPS even when I have AA/AF on, still try turning them off.

Give me suggestions then

ReDGuiTaR · Jul 30, 2005, 12:55 AM

AF is a very hungry filter ... just drop it to 4x and play .. you wont see much diffenrence in IQ anyway ....

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 30, 2005, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReDGuiTaR

AF is a very hungry filter ... just drop it to 4x and play .. you wont see much diffenrence in IQ anyway ....

Umm...AF is not very hungry, AA is more frame hungry than AF....I see about 2% drop in FPS at most on my card

Ferret_Style · Jul 30, 2005, 04:59 AM

duh... hex you are running a x800.... he has a 9600 xt... BIG difference in the affect on the card

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 30, 2005, 05:04 AM

Not really.

My 8500 was much the same. AF isn't as bad as AA but IMO AF makes the game look WAY better

swimtech · Jul 30, 2005, 06:06 AM

From my own experience and from what I've read, Anti-Aliasing hits ATI cards much harder than Anistropic Filtering. Take a look at some of the Firingsquad card reviews to get an idea...

Honestly though, I'm running around too fast in First Person perspective type games to notice a lot of scenery...

Turning off AA should help quite a bit...

ReDGuiTaR · Jul 30, 2005, 06:17 AM

Try to lower AF and we will see .. even if AF isnt hitting as much as AA 16x is the max and the more you crank it the more you get hit ... try it a lower settings and come back to us with the result ok ?

Webster132 · Jul 30, 2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReDGuiTaR

AF is a very hungry filter ... just drop it to 4x and play .. you wont see much diffenrence in IQ anyway ....

Good one.

Webster132 · Jul 30, 2005, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReDGuiTaR

Try to lower AF and we will see .. even if AF isnt hitting as much as AA 16x is the max and the more you crank it the more you get hit ... try it a lower settings and come back to us with the result ok ?

Alright

Webster132 · Jul 31, 2005, 02:44 AM

It had no change what so ever and here is the thing right on the box

"Full support for the AGP 8X standard doubles bandwidth for more engaging characters and environments"

But the more players... the less fps i get...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 31, 2005, 02:49 AM

That is just hype. It doubles the theoretical bandwidth between the video card and the CPU, not the actual speed of anything.

Another thing to try is to reinstall CS, and delete the steam cache. That fixed my CS: S lag problems

Webster132 · Jul 31, 2005, 02:51 AM

Where would i find to delete the steam cache? or do you just mean the whole folder.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jul 31, 2005, 02:57 AM

Everything in the Steam apps folder...gone

crack1up · Aug 1, 2005, 12:00 AM

Hey, the ATI Smartgart isnt quite so smart. I had to enable the fast write : on for my xtasy 9600xt 256 for it to work right. Your running the omega drivers, you might notice that he put a statement about 9600's during the installation. Just reinstall the omega drivers and during the install answer yes to fast write on.

I googled b4 I enabled mine and it gives the AGP direct access to the CPU. It's like a 10% burst.

Just a shot in the dark

nitrousoxide52 · Aug 1, 2005, 12:47 AM

That setting is found in smartgart tab, don't have to reinstall drivers

Jul 28, 2005, 05:39 AM	#1
Webster132 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	9600xt Well i recently got a new computer(Yesterday) with this graphics card. The problem, if it is a problem during game play. i.e.(Counter-Strike 1.6) My Frames Per Second seem to drop everytime i look at someone, or a dead bodie, or just surten parts of my map I have configed the graphics card for best performance to as much as i know. Now what i'm wondering is, alot of people have the same grapics card as me and get 100 FPS Constent, and for me it will drop down to 30 sometimes. Where does the other 80 come from? or where is it going? Thank you.

Jul 28, 2005, 05:53 AM	#2
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Jul 30, 2005, 12:08 AM	#15
nitrousoxide52 Driverheaven.com err .net Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,719 Rep Power: 0	CS 1.6 stays almost always locked at 100 FPS even when I have AA/AF on, still try turning them off. __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ XFX Geforce 7800GT ABIT AN8-SLI BFG Tech 650w

Jul 30, 2005, 12:55 AM	#17
ReDGuiTaR DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Quebec , Canada Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	AF is a very hungry filter ... just drop it to 4x and play .. you wont see much diffenrence in IQ anyway .... __________________ Zing a ling... zing a ling a ling ... A8N-E - A64x2 4600, 2048 Mb Kingston ram 400mhz cas 2.5 ( 2 x 1024 DualChannel ), Seagate 320 Gig 7200 16Mb cache S-ata 2, GeForce 7900GT 512MB, Enermax 460watt power supply, WindowsXP SP2.

Jul 28, 2005, 06:10 AM	#3
Togashi DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	I have the same problem with 9550 running @ 9600 pro/xt... and I always had this problem with ATI cards... some people say is a matter of PSU, but the main reason is that CS runs on a very old engine and opengl driver is optimized for newer games... I even tried "ultimate cs drivers" and they run only a little better... I now get the same fps as with my older 9100/8500.

Jul 28, 2005, 06:56 PM	#6
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	If you've got anti aliasing on its normal. CS 1.6 shouldn't lag a 9600 though...it barely touched my 8500 @ 1024x768 anyway

Jul 28, 2005, 09:14 PM	Thread Starter #7
Webster132 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	CPU 2.0 Pent 4 512 RAM ACUS P4P800S Mother Board 40 gigs lol

Jul 29, 2005, 03:03 AM	#11
Togashi DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 0	As I said, this is a very random problem and I don´t know why it happens... I used to get 100 fps with an athlon 1700+ and geforce4 mx460 (that´s why I changed the better 8500 in the first place) with 256 MB ram , same mobo. Now I get less fps with a better card, better cpu, more than double the memory, and a lot of overclock... how you can explain that? It isn´t a matter of chipset or card, it´s just the drivers that don´t run well on older software. I´ve tried all the tweaks I found but nothing seems to solve my problem. Disabling vsync is NOT a solution, I run my monitor @ 120 hz w/triple buffering so I should get 100 fps and also enabling developer isn´t a solution, is just a graphic glitch. Last thing... why 100 fps? (If you don´t play CS) That´s because the crosshair shrinks @ fps speed, so less fps = worse aim

Jul 30, 2005, 05:04 AM	#20
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Not really. My 8500 was much the same. AF isn't as bad as AA but IMO AF makes the game look WAY better

Jul 30, 2005, 06:06 AM	#21
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 124 System Specs	From my own experience and from what I've read, Anti-Aliasing hits ATI cards much harder than Anistropic Filtering. Take a look at some of the Firingsquad card reviews to get an idea... Honestly though, I'm running around too fast in First Person perspective type games to notice a lot of scenery... Turning off AA should help quite a bit... __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Jul 30, 2005, 06:17 AM	#22
ReDGuiTaR DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Quebec , Canada Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	Try to lower AF and we will see .. even if AF isnt hitting as much as AA 16x is the max and the more you crank it the more you get hit ... try it a lower settings and come back to us with the result ok ? __________________ Zing a ling... zing a ling a ling ... A8N-E - A64x2 4600, 2048 Mb Kingston ram 400mhz cas 2.5 ( 2 x 1024 DualChannel ), Seagate 320 Gig 7200 16Mb cache S-ata 2, GeForce 7900GT 512MB, Enermax 460watt power supply, WindowsXP SP2.

Jul 31, 2005, 02:44 AM	Thread Starter #25
Webster132 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	It had no change what so ever and here is the thing right on the box "Full support for the AGP 8X standard doubles bandwidth for more engaging characters and environments" But the more players... the less fps i get...

Jul 31, 2005, 02:49 AM	#26
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	That is just hype. It doubles the theoretical bandwidth between the video card and the CPU, not the actual speed of anything. Another thing to try is to reinstall CS, and delete the steam cache. That fixed my CS: S lag problems

Jul 31, 2005, 02:51 AM	Thread Starter #27
Webster132 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Where would i find to delete the steam cache? or do you just mean the whole folder.

Jul 31, 2005, 02:57 AM	#28
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Everything in the Steam apps folder...gone

Aug 1, 2005, 12:00 AM	#29
crack1up DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 0	Hey, the ATI Smartgart isnt quite so smart. I had to enable the fast write : on for my xtasy 9600xt 256 for it to work right. Your running the omega drivers, you might notice that he put a statement about 9600's during the installation. Just reinstall the omega drivers and during the install answer yes to fast write on. I googled b4 I enabled mine and it gives the AGP direct access to the CPU. It's like a 10% burst. Just a shot in the dark

Aug 1, 2005, 12:47 AM	#30
nitrousoxide52 Driverheaven.com err .net Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,719 Rep Power: 0	That setting is found in smartgart tab, don't have to reinstall drivers __________________ AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ XFX Geforce 7800GT ABIT AN8-SLI BFG Tech 650w