Rate Catalyst 5.8 (CCC only)

Macdave · Aug 17, 2005, 09:47 PM

8/10

It is the first time I'm using the CCC so I can compare it only with the old CP.

CCC is a bit slower and it could start quicker. On the other hand I like the options diversity.
What I don't understand: Why is there no button to chance between performance and quality AF?

Matth · Aug 17, 2005, 11:01 PM

First time CCC user, I guess I'll stay with it now, as nothing broke.

7/10 as I found the old CP layout more logical - and I preferred the "coolbits" extra panels on my old Nvidia.
I like to be able to dip into some advanced options, without switching the entire settings mode to advanced.

t0qt2bsngl · Aug 18, 2005, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Canon20d

Will NOT install properly on my system, dont know whats up, reboots galore and driver cleaner dont help, CLI.exe does not want to install
might try later - bad d/l maybe (riiiiiiight and the boogey man is in my closet)
Drivers good though, using it @ 5.7 CP, CP's a little confused but it works

I'm having the same exact issue. I'll try the firewall thing, but I doubt that will work. Very strange.

Majin GeoDooD · Aug 18, 2005, 01:37 AM

This CCC is great!

t0qt2bsngl · Aug 18, 2005, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by t0qt2bsngl

I'm having the same exact issue. I'll try the firewall thing, but I doubt that will work. Very strange.

Okay I just disabled all firewalls. I then ran driver cleaner -- Rebooted -- Installed Cat w/ CCC -- rebooted and It didn't even install CCC. It put the CCC icon on the desktop, but when I click on it, the windows message comes up with, "Windows is searching for "CLI.EXE" To locate the program yourself, click browse."

My specs are:
Windows XP Home SP2 w/ IE7
1024MB RAM
ATI Radeon 9200

Raptor · Aug 18, 2005, 04:02 AM

Gave the CCC a nice shinny 9. It has become just as slick and stable as the drivers it controls. Responds quickly to commands and does what I tell it to without complaint.

psst. hey Terry, good job. You and your team deserve a big round of applause. clap clap clap clap

SexPistoL · Aug 18, 2005, 04:26 AM

now I'm fixed................the best I have seen the real cat's, congratulations on a good set! 8 out of 10.

*CATALYST maker* · Aug 19, 2005, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Red

Gave the CCC a nice shinny 9. It has become just as slick and stable as the drivers it controls. Responds quickly to commands and does what I tell it to without complaint.

psst. hey Terry, good job. You and your team deserve a big round of applause. clap clap clap clap

I will be sure to pass on your comments to the guys dedicated to make this thing succeed and be loved by everyone

Rayder · Aug 19, 2005, 04:46 AM

Quickest, most responsive CCC yet. The taming of the resource usage is great too.

I give 'em a 10.

Matth · Aug 19, 2005, 01:25 PM

I spoke too soon - despite a good initial install, getting the firewall well set, CCC now seems to get completely mired in the startup - it seems as if it may be a timing issue between the components of it and the firewall.

Anyway, it's now a big fat zero for me, and maybe I'll take the easy way out this time and dump it for the CP version!

petri1 · Aug 19, 2005, 02:34 PM

Gave ti a 10 why? simple it is near perfect for me it´s like a saab vs ferarri(5.8) being the ferarri 5.7 saab in response with FW AVG enabled so 10 is what it gets

cswiger · Aug 20, 2005, 01:29 AM

Also an 8/10. The initial load of CCC is noticably faster, but still takes a good three-second-count, the second time you bring up CCC is < 1 second, quite snappy.

CCC is using two processes, about 5MB real and ~20MB VM each. That seems to be about a third smaller than earlier versions would, so it looks like a solid cleanup and improvement, and the improved usability and loading time make CCC much nicer.

BWX · Aug 20, 2005, 03:18 PM

6/10

Needs a few more features before it gets an 8 or 9.
It is faster than before, but still too slow.
Uses less mem than before, but still could use less.

*resize the CCC window*
*shut off ALL videos in the CCC*
*more resolutions that your CRT monitor supports*
*more control over refresh rates*
*hmm, where is that digital vibrance equivalent we were told was going to be available?*
*separate 3D settings for OpenGL and Direct 3D*

Dyre Straits · Aug 21, 2005, 07:12 AM

This isn't a rating post. It's a 'bug report'. Maybe it would be a good idea to have DH start a separate thread for any bugs found in newly-released driver packages.

At any rate, when I click on the System Information radio button, it never ever brings up any new window with information. It's like the button is completely dead.

Mayro · Aug 21, 2005, 02:47 PM

Terry, ill admit right of the bat I didnt want to use the CCC. I had used it in the past and it was a real pain to use. As it stands now with the 5.8, my system is just as functional as it is without CCC. Great job!

Spyre · Aug 21, 2005, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

This isn't a rating post. It's a 'bug report'. Maybe it would be a good idea to have DH start a separate thread for any bugs found in newly-released driver packages.

At any rate, when I click on the System Information radio button, it never ever brings up any new window with information. It's like the button is completely dead.

Thats because you have the windows help service or possibly one of the other needed ones disabled.

Dyre Straits · Aug 21, 2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Spyre

Thats because you have the windows help service or possibly one of the other needed ones disabled.

I'll double check this, but, I don't think so. It works in 3DMark03 and other apps.

EDIT: As stated above, clicking on System Information in other apps works fine. It's not working at all for me in the CAT 5.8 CCC as shown in the image below:

udkjack · Aug 29, 2005, 09:47 PM

This is the first time I tried the CCC, what can I say, altough I was quite sceptical at first I actually begin to like it. Good work ATI

Essence · Aug 30, 2005, 10:03 PM

This is actually the first I'm using the CCC and I find it to be pretty good.

BWX · Aug 30, 2005, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

I'll double check this, but, I don't think so. It works in 3DMark03 and other apps.

EDIT: As stated above, clicking on System Information in other apps works fine. It's not working at all for me in the CAT 5.8 CCC as shown in the image below:

I noticed that did not work unless help and support service was enabled- if it is disabled- enable it, and it will work.

Dyre Straits · Aug 30, 2005, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

I noticed that did not work unless help and support service was enabled- if it is disabled- enable it, and it will work.

On mine, it IS enabled. Always has been. Still no worky.

What's strange is that this works in apps like 3DMark (all versions) and anything else I've tried that has a button like this. I'm wondering if this is being stopped by some kind of permissions thing? Maybe a popup blocker setting?

BWX · Aug 31, 2005, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

On mine, it IS enabled. Always has been. Still no worky.

What's strange is that this works in apps like 3DMark (all versions) and anything else I've tried that has a button like this. I'm wondering if this is being stopped by some kind of permissions thing? Maybe a popup blocker setting?

Well at least your bump mapping and shaders work.. I have to try new drivers, but I think either my new card is broke somehow or the 5.8 drivers just are not working on this card.

Nothing like spending 300 bucks on a new card to see eye candy at full speed and then noticing it will not display bump mapping or shaders on 90% of the textures in Far cry and HL2..

After installing the CCC and 5.8 3 times and reinstalling Far Cry 3 times- and installing HL2 for the very first time on this XP install.. I can't figure it out. I don't even want to think about reinstalling windows. I just did, and got it tuned perfectly. What a pain this is gonna be.

Necrosis · Sep 3, 2005, 06:22 PM

Finally updated to the latest drivers. A whole lot faster!

creaturespeaker · Sep 4, 2005, 02:40 AM

The CCC is reasonably fast and very stable but it's still lagging behind Nvidia's drivers in terms of features unfortunately. The custom resolution capabilities under "EDID override" are still very rudimentary compared to Nvidia's custom resolution capabilities. The resolution changes jump in to large increments and you can't create a custom 1080p resolution for example. Many HDTV users will not buy an ATI card because they have to use PowerStrip (ugh). Also, ATI drivers still lack anything comparable to "Digital Vibrance", and they still lack the ability to enforce custom refresh rates at specific resolutions. Instead we ATI users get the "Catalyst Control Center" which is nice and all, but I REALLY would have preferred it if ATI had added more power user features to the drivers instead of focusing on the CCC.

KiwiRed · Sep 4, 2005, 01:08 PM

I usually only install Omega's drivers, but was curious and gave these a try. My first thought after installing and starting to re-configure everything was "Could they have been made any more confusing?" My second was "Is there actually anything not included in Omega's drivers?" After a couple of hours i was no more impressed with the CCC, removed them and reinstalled Omega's last release.

I've given these a 4. As far as i could tell, the only concrete improvement for all the overhead is the 3d preview window, and it left me rather underwhelmed. The window layout is a confusing, overengineered and poorly thought out mess, compared to the simple and uncluttered layout of the standard control panel - tabs were simple and easy, why take them away? I can't see any reason for the 'special' (and rather unappealing) themes - i have WindowBlinds installed, and it's theming of the non-CCC control panel is much less visually discordant, not to mention much more resource-friendly.

I'll be sticking with non-CCC versions (probably continuing to use Omega's versions) for the foreseeable future.

Aug 18, 2005, 01:37 AM	#34
Majin GeoDooD HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 1,117 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	This CCC is great! __________________ Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) ~Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.55GHz~ Gigabyte P35-DS3L ~ eVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB @ 690/1000 ~ OCZ Titanium 2x2GB ~ Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 750 GB ~ WD Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB ~ NEC ND-3540A DVD-RW ~ Rosewill RP600V2 600w PSU ~ Antec Nine Hundred Mid-Tower

Aug 18, 2005, 04:02 AM	#36
Raptor DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California USA Posts: 464 Rep Power: 0	Gave the CCC a nice shinny 9. It has become just as slick and stable as the drivers it controls. Responds quickly to commands and does what I tell it to without complaint. psst. hey Terry, good job. You and your team deserve a big round of applause. clap clap clap clap __________________ [COLOR=Green][COLOR=DarkOrange] P4C-800 DELUXE/P4 3.4 NORTHWOOD/2 GB CORSAIR PC3200/X850XTPE/2 300 GB MAXTOR HD'S/LOGITECH G5/LOGITECH Z-5500/CREATIVE XFI EXTREME MUSIC/MS 4000 KEYBOARD/Vizio VX37L HDTV/Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD and Toshiba HD-XA1/Oppo HV970HD SACD/DVD-A universal player/Xbox 360/Sony PS3. [/COLOR][/COLOR]

Aug 18, 2005, 04:26 AM	#37
SexPistoL DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 604 Rep Power: 0	now I'm fixed................the best I have seen the real cat's, congratulations on a good set! 8 out of 10. __________________

Aug 19, 2005, 02:34 PM	#41
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	Gave ti a 10 why? simple it is near perfect for me it´s like a saab vs ferarri(5.8) being the ferarri 5.7 saab in response with FW AVG enabled so 10 is what it gets __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Aug 20, 2005, 01:29 AM	#42
cswiger DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233 Rep Power: 0	Also an 8/10. The initial load of CCC is noticably faster, but still takes a good three-second-count, the second time you bring up CCC is < 1 second, quite snappy. CCC is using two processes, about 5MB real and ~20MB VM each. That seems to be about a third smaller than earlier versions would, so it looks like a solid cleanup and improvement, and the improved usability and loading time make CCC much nicer. __________________ Do you remember Shalebridge Cradle? Beware! The Cradle doesn't forget.... AMD Opteron 185 @ 2.6GHz/200HTT \| 2GB G.Skill DDR3200 @ 2-3-2-5/1T \| 512MB eVGA 8800GT @ 600/1800 \| SB Audigy 2ZS eX, Outlaw 1050 6.1ch amp, Paradigm speakers \| MSI K8N Diamond Plus mainboard \| black Lian-Li USB68 case + Foxconn FX600-GLN 600W PSU \| 2xWDC3200AAKS (RAID1) \| Sony GDM-F500R CRT, BENQ G2400W LCD

Aug 17, 2005, 09:47 PM	#31
Macdave DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bern, Switzerland Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	8/10 It is the first time I'm using the CCC so I can compare it only with the old CP. CCC is a bit slower and it could start quicker. On the other hand I like the options diversity. What I don't understand: Why is there no button to chance between performance and quality AF?

Aug 17, 2005, 11:01 PM	#32
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	First time CCC user, I guess I'll stay with it now, as nothing broke. 7/10 as I found the old CP layout more logical - and I preferred the "coolbits" extra panels on my old Nvidia. I like to be able to dip into some advanced options, without switching the entire settings mode to advanced.

Aug 19, 2005, 04:46 AM	#39
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	Quickest, most responsive CCC yet. The taming of the resource usage is great too. I give 'em a 10.

Aug 19, 2005, 01:25 PM	#40
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	I spoke too soon - despite a good initial install, getting the firewall well set, CCC now seems to get completely mired in the startup - it seems as if it may be a timing issue between the components of it and the firewall. Anyway, it's now a big fat zero for me, and maybe I'll take the easy way out this time and dump it for the CP version!

Aug 20, 2005, 03:18 PM	#43
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	6/10 Needs a few more features before it gets an 8 or 9. It is faster than before, but still too slow. Uses less mem than before, but still could use less. resize the CCC window shut off ALL videos in the CCC more resolutions that your CRT monitor supports more control over refresh rates hmm, where is that digital vibrance* equivalent we were told was going to be available?* separate 3D settings for OpenGL and Direct 3D __________________

Aug 21, 2005, 02:47 PM	#45
Mayro -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 173 Rep Power: 0	Terry, ill admit right of the bat I didnt want to use the CCC. I had used it in the past and it was a real pain to use. As it stands now with the 5.8, my system is just as functional as it is without CCC. Great job!

Aug 29, 2005, 09:47 PM	#48
udkjack DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	This is the first time I tried the CCC, what can I say, altough I was quite sceptical at first I actually begin to like it. Good work ATI

Aug 30, 2005, 10:03 PM	#49
Essence DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	This is actually the first I'm using the CCC and I find it to be pretty good. __________________ [color=Red][color=White][color=White][/color][/color][/color][color=Red][color=RoyalBlue][color=White][color=DeepSkyBlue][color=White][color=DeepSkyBlue][color=White] [/color][/color][/color] [/color][/color][/color][/color]

Sep 3, 2005, 06:22 PM	#53
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Finally updated to the latest drivers. A whole lot faster!

Sep 4, 2005, 02:40 AM	#54
creaturespeaker DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	The CCC is reasonably fast and very stable but it's still lagging behind Nvidia's drivers in terms of features unfortunately. The custom resolution capabilities under "EDID override" are still very rudimentary compared to Nvidia's custom resolution capabilities. The resolution changes jump in to large increments and you can't create a custom 1080p resolution for example. Many HDTV users will not buy an ATI card because they have to use PowerStrip (ugh). Also, ATI drivers still lack anything comparable to "Digital Vibrance", and they still lack the ability to enforce custom refresh rates at specific resolutions. Instead we ATI users get the "Catalyst Control Center" which is nice and all, but I REALLY would have preferred it if ATI had added more power user features to the drivers instead of focusing on the CCC.

Sep 4, 2005, 01:08 PM	#55
KiwiRed HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	I usually only install Omega's drivers, but was curious and gave these a try. My first thought after installing and starting to re-configure everything was "Could they have been made any more confusing?" My second was "Is there actually anything not included in Omega's drivers?" After a couple of hours i was no more impressed with the CCC, removed them and reinstalled Omega's last release. I've given these a 4. As far as i could tell, the only concrete improvement for all the overhead is the 3d preview window, and it left me rather underwhelmed. The window layout is a confusing, overengineered and poorly thought out mess, compared to the simple and uncluttered layout of the standard control panel - tabs were simple and easy, why take them away? I can't see any reason for the 'special' (and rather unappealing) themes - i have WindowBlinds installed, and it's theming of the non-CCC control panel is much less visually discordant, not to mention much more resource-friendly. I'll be sticking with non-CCC versions (probably continuing to use Omega's versions) for the foreseeable future.