silentbob17

This poll is to complement my other thread about Catalyst A.I. (I forgot that I could make it a poll :P)

What Catalyst A.I. setting do you use most of the time?

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i use low y idk lol if i find out high is better thats the way im going

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swimtech

The default setting looks to be low from within the Direct3d submenu of the ATI Tray Tools supplied with the 5.8 Omegadriver set. So far, it ain't broke so I'm not gonna fix it - but I might fiddle if I get time...

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The_Neon_Cowboy

AI targets to give you optimal FPS with out effecting or sacrificing image quality.

Off (NOT RECCOMENDED)
Disables AI optimizations including some bug fixes

Low (RECCOMENDED)(Default)
AI optimizations enabled, best setting for all virtually all systems.

High (RECCOMENDED FOR ULTRA HIGH END SYSTEM SETUPS ONLY)
AI optimizations enabled, not for all systems, Enables more intense
algorithms that adds a system load. If you have a system thats not
powerful enough for this setting you will see little to no gain and will
possibly see a decrease in performance.

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silentbob17

So looking at my specs, I should use "Low" right?

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H3X4D3C1M4L

I turn it off. With such a powerful video card who needs gimmicks...

Sandok

Reduces image quality tooooo much for me

BWX

low

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Fekl

So is it better to use low instead of high? I've got a 9800 Pro and i am using high. I never noticed a difference in image quality, but what is faster? low or high?

The_Neon_Cowboy

you'd have to test your system with your games and see

Or bug fixes

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H3X4D3C1M4L

rofl do you work for ATI?

It creates more problems for me than anything, i.e. randomly removes the head off of characters in KotOR and makes the walls all neon purple.

I'll stick with it off thanks

Stephen M. Smit

Well I already the answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask anyway.... CAN WE PLEASE GET A LIST OF WHICH APPS HAVE SPECIFIC FIXES/OPTIMIZATIONS IN CATALYST AI????

BWX

Yeah, I have asked that before, quite a few times actually. Never got a response. Must be a big secret for some reason.

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The_Neon_Cowboy

I find you funny some times, especally spaming the ATI related
threads every day here is the real question for me, Do you?

AS for me, am I working as in drawing a paycheck?-no
as for my affilation with them thats purely FMTNAFYTFO

FYI: You don't have to work there to know commonly and publicly
"known" information...But It seems I remember things others don't
or that they seem to have "missed" all togeather

1st I've ever herd of that I play those games. When I play kotor & kotor 2
with thier latest patches and I get NOTHING like that and I always run with
AI on low (default)

Sounds like you've got some serious game issues there though
what card and drivers and settings are you useing? Take a screenshot
steps to reproduce and report it to ATI via the driver feed back form.

From AI's offical release artical....
"disabling Catalyst AI disables application specific optimizations, bug fixes and
generic optimizations." http://www.hardwareheaven.com/articles/atiop/

The way it goes is your better off with it on low unless you run into a specific
problem in wich case you should report it to ATI via their feed back form...and
its not like it hurts anything to turn it off, it just your usually going to get your
best experience with it on as it help performance and allow the with out
adversely affecting image quality + to allow the bug fixes to work..

The best setting for most people? default (LOW), though some may prefer it
off or on high. If you have problems with games with AI, I can’t stress strongly
though how important it is for you report those issues via the feed back form.
It also helps to create a discussion thread or add to an existing one with those
who have the same problem. With information such as you card and system
specs. Beta testers and ATI employess frequent this forum. If they see an issue
and have have the title avilable they try to reprduce it and report any such
findings to ATI again helping te process along.

I've never seen any public statments with full details or anything it would
make a great question next time we have a Q&A or you might remeber to
ask when then 5.9's are released and terry is around. If you don't get an
answer just don't be complely suprised if they don't they have thier just
resons. For all you know it could be some propriatary information invovled...

Don't know if it a big secrect more then it being nothing they might not want
adverised. Even nvidia doesn't "advertise" its opuimzations or even really tell
ou what they are for that matter almost no one does. Also that kida of
information is mostly used against you.

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Son_of_Thunder

High for me, except when running pcmark04, then I turn it off.

I see up to a 12 FPS boost in CS:S from low to high.

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Aligokalppeker

I think those problems are because of your card , or driver version or game settings.I've played many games with AI is HIGH and see no problems.

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H3X4D3C1M4L

Hehe, well often times you sound like the ATI website, so I just wondered

But anyway, the KotOR issues are fully AI related so I just turn it off, no biggie, I don't use it anyway.

The_Neon_Cowboy

Well thats good I should to some extent! As I get alot of my information
from those same people though. Also released information via the website or
from posts or made by ATI officals in the public forums, on in articals. If I'm
not sure and can't find it I "play" dumb. (Also for example statments made
by the CEO and other public officals via QA or during quaterly results being
reported can key you in to alot of nifty info..)

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Stephen M. Smit

Well, here is a list of the executables found in ati3duag.dll, so I assume this is the current set of apps that may or may not have any specific Catalyst AI optimizations:

3DMark03.exe
3DMark05.exe
3DMark2001.exe
3DMark2001SE.exe
aquamark.exe
Battlefront.exe
BF2.exe
BfVietnam.exe
Bia.exe
Biademo.exe
Breed.exe
BreedSPD.exe
CMR5.exe
CT3.exe
DFX.exe
Driv3r.exe
Ehshell.exe
EverQuest2.exe
FarCry.exe
FFXiBench.exe
FFXiWinBench.exe
FlatOutdemo.exe
GW.exe
halo.exe
hl2.exe
LaunchPad.exe
Lithtech.exe
LockOn.exe
MaxPayne2.exe
MaxPayne2Demo.exe
mohpa.exe
Morrowind.exe
nba2005.exe
PainGame.exe
Painkiller.exe
PandoraMultiPlayerDemo.exe
Pariah.exe
patriots.exe
PCMark04.exe
PCMark05.exe
Pirates!.exe
pol.exe
pop.exe
pop2.exe
RaceDriver.exe
RD2.exe
RD2D.exe
ShadowVault.exe
Sims2.exe
Sims2EP1.exe
Snowblind-Demo.exe
Snowblind.exe
Speed2.exe
Speed2demo.exe
SplinterCell.exe
SplinterCell2.exe
SplinterCell3.exe
Swat4.exe
Swat4SPDemo.exe
TechDemo.exe
thrones.exe
Tiger 2004.exe
TRAOD.exe
TRAOD_P3.exe
TRAOD_P4.exe
tribesv_mpdemo_en.exe
tribesv_spdemo_en.exe
TV_CD_DVD.exe
TW2004.exe
TW2005.exe
UT2003.exe
UT2004.exe
w40k.exe
WoW.exe
X2-Demo.exe
X2.exe
XPANDRALLY.exe

BWX

nice.. I think that probably answers the question.. I have never seen that list before.

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Robert McClelland

I'd run on my on High because my video card can handle it and seems like very much I get high scored in benchmarks for me and games fps very good

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silentbob17

If anyone has had any experience with any of the above listed .exe's and AI please post what setting worked best for you.

Just a quick side question:
How do you get profiles for Steam games? Can you make game-specific ones or do you just make a profile for Steam? (like it loads a profile as soon as it detects that Steam is running) Because I want to try "High" with CSS after hearing more than one comment about an fps boost and it would be really annoying to have to go to the options and change it every time I played.

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H3X4D3C1M4L

Just make it for the cs source EXE....steam is just a 2D GDI app

EvaUnitXIV

low or off. i too get the purple walls thing in kotor1 and 2. however with low it's gone

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silentbob17

I'm not seeing a "Counter-Strike" exe here... just a hl2.exe in the counter-strike folder. There's also one in the HL2 folder and the HL2DM folder..... if I make a profile for hl2.exe will it just take effect whenever a hl2 program runs? (like hl2, css, hlsdm and hl2 mods) or like, does it matter which one I make the profile for? is there actually eny difference between the hl2.exe's in the different folders? Because they're all identical in size.


Edit: I guess what I'm really asking is, do you have to launch a profiled game from the Tray Tool's created shortcut or does the profile take effect whenever you run the exe specified in that profile?

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daedal

Nice list. Thanks for the info.
I have it set on Low.

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Stephen M. Smit

You just create a profile that points to the .exe and then it doesn't matter how you launch it, ATT knows about it and applies the profile. You can verify that this is happening because you will see the desktop go dark briefly the same way it does when you change some Direct3D setting in ATI's CP.

silentbob17

So for Source, should I just make a profile that points to the main hl2.exe in the hl2 folder, then it will work for anything source related? (css, hl2dm, hl2 mods)


Update: So the above plan didn't seem to work so, after deleting the profile I tested, I tried running the CSS video stress test 3 times, then manually changing from Off to Low, then running it 3 times, then manually changing it from Low to High... and saw pretty much NO decernable improvement of disadvantage in the average frame-rate. So I'm just going to stick with "Low" for now.... also, I did this test after a restart, but I ran it a few times before restarting and was getting a few fps higher than any that I got during the full test (after the restart).... what gives?

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cswiger

After the first time you run a benchmark, your machine will have loaded and cached a bunch of the game data, textures, and so forth in memory. Running the benchmark again will generally give you slightly better numbers. Some people run a benchmark 3x or 5x times, and choose the median score (not the average)...

Obviously, the more RAM you've got, the more stuff can get preloaded and stick around in RAM; with 1GB, as you have, most games will fit entirely into RAM and never need to hit the hard drive at all (well, at least before this year's crop of resource hogs).

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H3X4D3C1M4L

The HL2.exe in each folder is the one for that game, so just make the profile for that game.