ATI Users: XTreme-G WarCats 5.9 XT Drivers

Widkidone · Oct 1, 2005, 09:33 PM

Link: http://www.tweaksrus.com/index.php?o...d=242&Itemid=1

Changes in this version (XG WarCats 5.9 XT) :

-Higher and more stable framerates;
-Better image quality and a higher performance in D3D applications that support DirectX;
-Better image quality and a higher performance in OGL applications;
-Support for a larger variety of textures;
-High quality on bump mapped textures;
-High performance improvement in applications that support bump mapped textures;
-Once with the high performance increases comes better image quality;
-Tweaks to improve your gaming experience;

-This driver features a new Technology called Adaptive Anti-Aliasing which is
available also in the normal Catalyst driver but locked for unknown reasons.
This technology is supported by the Radeon 9xx0 series and higher.

tech.Me · Oct 1, 2005, 10:55 PM

To be serious here, I won't download these. I already installed Omega 5.9 when it came out, and it's October already. I don't want to get something that will get outdated very soon.

MindlessOath · Oct 3, 2005, 07:07 PM

i wanted to know about these drivers. i dont see my computer for many weeks at a time, so someone tell me about them.

the pro version seems to have system registry tweeks to improve system performance too (tho its good they told us, i belive an option for the user to enable these is due).

Widkidone · Oct 3, 2005, 07:14 PM

Hey Mindless long time no see!!! Well i am using these since the UniAN Drivers have been forgotten. But these, in my opinion, are very stable and does well in BF2. You can check out there site here: http://www.tweaksrus.com/forums/index.php?showforum=80

These have both CP and/or CCC. Since i have switched from Intel to AMD i am using the CCC version.

** Plus you might want to add these to your Driver comparison list.

pr0digal jenius · Oct 3, 2005, 07:17 PM

whats with the name "WarCats"? just sound cool, or is there a meaning?

"-Better image quality and a higher performance in D3D applications that support DirectX;"
as opposed to the D3D games that don't support Direct X?

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 12:50 AM

About the name. It comes from war cats, like the tigers. I like alot tigers. It also means something else but i won't say it in here.
If you want to know more about this driver, than you could come over to tweaksrus and read some feedbacks or you could try it out yourself and give us your own feedback. link removed
Nice site you've got here guys. I love this colors

UnTouchAble · Oct 4, 2005, 11:38 AM

Nice, i am downloading now! Will post back with results.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 4, 2005, 01:24 PM

Not a set I would recommend “USER BEWARE” I’m just going
what I’ve herd that the work is amateurish (and I’m being nice
as I've not herd god things yet but i've not really been looking
either). I would recommend you stay with the known modded
sets until they have been given time to mature / get better. Also
after seeing stuff like this doesn’t help my opinion ether.

To be fair though I will take a look at them since they are being
discussed.I’ve known about thier existance for some time along
other sets that are “yet” worthy of recognition. Old habits die hard
I my ear to the ground when to comes to modded drivers

MindlessOath · Oct 4, 2005, 01:50 PM

well the author seems to be very nice. so regardless wether they are not up to par, please lets be nice to this guy.

if my computer was here i would install them and give my opinion, but i cant. no ati card around

UnTouchAble · Oct 4, 2005, 01:57 PM

Installed and seem smother on DoD:S! Gonne test them on BF2 now.

starfury6 · Oct 4, 2005, 02:08 PM

Neon, WarAnakin is the author and he had some nice things to say about DH.

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

I would recommend you stay with the known modded
sets untilthey have been given time to mature / get better. Also
after seeing stuff like this doesn’t help my opinion ether.

bwahahahahahahahahaaa
I didn't know that that picture is gonna get so popular . Big deal...
Like you wouldn't make mistakes. WHO IS PERFECT ?
"Amateurish work" , huh ? Alright, i can live with that . Usualy this sort of things happen when someone sees a new tweaked driver out .

REMOVED.

Asmoday · Oct 4, 2005, 02:22 PM

Interesting, maybe I'll try these out later.

Thanks WarAnakin, IMO it's refreshing with new actors on the modding scene.

Zardon · Oct 4, 2005, 02:23 PM

Waranakin, welcome to the forums, however I would prefer if you post in here that feedback is given in here, not linking to other forums. im sure you have time to support our membership, here.

neon im sure meant no harm, he is just pointing out some issues he has seen in the past.

Lets all be nice guys

Widkidone · Oct 4, 2005, 02:25 PM

Can we all just get along? Just try these drivers and give them a fair shake.

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 02:27 PM

Hey, thx fow the welcoming. OK guys, you may post your feedbacks in here .

starfury6 · Oct 4, 2005, 02:31 PM

Are the tweaks related to X series cards or all cards? The wife has a 9800 Pro in her machine...

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 02:35 PM

The extensions, PRO or XT, are not saying that you require a video card with the same extensions . This drivers work like all the drivers . They don't work for laptops

sorry.
For more information please read this :

"As soon as ATI releases a driver , we'll start tweaking it . The 1st versions of the driver is called PRO because as soon as ATI releases their driver , we'll need a tweaked version of it . This version has to be quick and good . The 2nd version is called XT because is gonna come later , after the PRO version . This version is coming second because it requires additional tweaking in order to be better than both of the versions , the normal version and the PRO version . This will take more time , but the result will make the difference ."
http://www.tweaksrus.com/forums/inde...showtopic=1874

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 4, 2005, 02:42 PM

Like I said, I was putting it nicely I don't see the need to repeat
the things I've herd that may or may not be true other then as
I generalized above. I’m not meaning to offend, insult, or argue.
Just adding what I’ve herd from people / other moders etc. The
impressions I've been left with it is however relevant since it is
an relatively new or unknown set.

People should use a bit of caution with all these modded sets
popping up. Like I said I'll take a look at them since their
being discussed. I’ve haven’t herd to much about them other
then some jokes / pokes and claims others made at their expense.

As I said above I've no hands on experance with them and would
have to check them out.I’ll look and send some constructive criticism
his way if warented.

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 02:47 PM

You don't have to repeat things. I understood what you said. You have to know that is my right to protect this drivers . Enyways, do you got some more Inuyasha pictures in there

?
I just love those cartoons.

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 02:49 PM

By the way, WarCats is meaning something else too . It means WarAnakin's Tweaked Catalyst for ATI video cards.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 4, 2005, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarAnakin

bwahahahahahahahahaaa
I didn't know that that picture is gonna get so popular . Big deal...
Like you wouldn't make mistakes. WHO IS PERFECT ?
"Amateurish work" , huh ? Alright, i can live with that . Usualy this s
ort of things happen when someone sees a new tweaked driver out .
REMOVED.

We all make mistakes especially me when I comes to spelling
and typing but as I understand that was from a “released” driver

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarAnakin

You don't have to repeat things. I understood
what you said. You have to know that is my right to protect this drivers .
Enyways, do you got some more Inuyasha pictures in there

?
I just love those cartoons.

Actually their anime not cartoons there is a sizeable difference.
I have a lot of stuff anything in patuclar would you be looking for?
I’ve got thousands of anime images and wall papers just and not
just of inuyasha though that one of my favorites.

I’m a big fan of adult swim on the carton network(do you watch?)
though the uncensored, untranslated versions are better. Though
even with subtitles it will takes a bit of work to understand. Like
instead of demon what they said translates into ghost.

WarAnakin · Oct 4, 2005, 03:08 PM

Demons=Ghosts ?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha
That's crazy man.

kwapaw · Oct 5, 2005, 04:19 AM

I know that this is a fairly new modded driver set, but that doesn't mean we can automatically pass judgment on it without trying them out, right?

Anyway, I've downloaded the XT version and I have to say that it's very stable. I have no benchmarks or formal tests to support this claim (or to claim that my system is faster), but the fact that my Windows system has been crash free since installing this is enough for me.

Great work, WarAnakin. Keep it up and don't let the critics silence you.

beezee · Oct 5, 2005, 04:55 AM

Hey Neon, give the guy a break! Don't pass judgement before these are tested. The more modders out there the better I say!

WarAnakin, keep doing what your doing my man!!! I'll test out later. Thanks for your time and effort.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 5, 2005, 06:19 AM

Judge neon residing. I reserve the right to pass judgment at any time
based on the facts already in evidence. The more the better?, Actually its
better to a have a few quality original ones vs. many questionable ones.
I know people who know people that yell me very intesting things and
I’m very resourceful my self and done some research.

I really can’t voice my opinion and views as to what I know and what I’ve
herd with out starting an all out flame war. I have no bones to pick here
nor any reason to post such things. So I’m biting my tongue here / being
nice about it. I do however renew my my previous statments and I’ll leave
it at that for now. You best do too

Threads been derailed enough already how ever relivent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarAnakin

Demons=Ghosts ?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha
That's crazy man.

Depends on who translated the subtitles but there is a couple
cases of nudity and they cuss a lot.. A good one where there
is a massive difference would be dragon ball Z. The english
version is massively different from their costumes, names, etc.

I've breezed over these and I do see some issues Stuff like
enabling things that are already enabled, things in both in “dword”
and “SZ” when only one value is needed, some tweaks that have
no meaning / don’t do anything, or don’t doanything anymore, values
repeataed many times that only needs altered in one place, stuff like
that nothing serious (nothing that jumps out as as in harmfull) but there
are mistakes. I'm not an expert in the area but am knowleadgeable.

I would suggest might be better off in the long run fire a email to omega
or one or a few of the established modders with your infs and see if he
would be willing give you some pointers / some help.

I'll be keeping an eye out on your progress

Good luck to you....Welcome to DH

Chrille · Oct 5, 2005, 08:39 AM

Always nice to see new modded drivers !. I will give them a try later

kwapaw · Oct 8, 2005, 04:06 PM

@The_Neon_Cowboy,

I guess time will tell if WarCats driver turns out to be a good mod. You may have noticed some unnecessary tweaks, but chalk it up to having less experience, I guess.

kwapaw · Oct 8, 2005, 04:09 PM

Just one question that I hope experts here could answer... I've noticed some sluggishness at some points in GTA:San Andreas using this driver. I can't tell for sure whether it's the WarCats driver or not, since I also downgraded my NF2 motherboard (including AGP drivers) drivers. It's something that I didn't experience before. Are the older AGP drivers to blame? Or has anyone out there experienced any problems with the WarCats driver?

Oct 1, 2005, 09:33 PM	#1
Widkidone DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 711 Rep Power: 0	ATI Users: XTreme-G WarCats 5.9 XT Drivers Link: http://www.tweaksrus.com/index.php?o...d=242&Itemid=1 Changes in this version (XG WarCats 5.9 XT) : -Higher and more stable framerates; -Better image quality and a higher performance in D3D applications that support DirectX; -Better image quality and a higher performance in OGL applications; -Support for a larger variety of textures; -High quality on bump mapped textures; -High performance improvement in applications that support bump mapped textures; -Once with the high performance increases comes better image quality; -Tweaks to improve your gaming experience; -This driver features a new Technology called Adaptive Anti-Aliasing which is available also in the normal Catalyst driver but locked for unknown reasons. This technology is supported by the Radeon 9xx0 series and higher. __________________ Case- Cooler Master ATC-201B-BXT Aluminum Case Power Supply- Antec 480w TrueBlue480 ATX-12V MX518 Mouse CPU- AMD Athlon 64 processor 4000+ (2.4GHz) Socket-939 Motherboard-K8N Neo2 Platinum 2 GB DDR (2 pcs 1GB) PC-3200 (400) OCZ Dual Channel Platinum Hard Drive- WD 74GB 8MB 10000rpm S-ATA WD740GD Sound Card- Creative SB Audigy 2 Zs Platinum CDRW- LG GCE-8525BI 52X32X52 CD-RW OS- Microsoft Windows XP Pro Edition w/SP2 Video-Radeon X850XT AGP 256MB

Oct 1, 2005, 10:55 PM	#2
tech.Me DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 139 Rep Power: 0	To be serious here, I won't download these. I already installed Omega 5.9 when it came out, and it's October already. I don't want to get something that will get outdated very soon. __________________ AMD Athlon XP 2400+ \| Windows XP Pro \| ATI 9600XT 128MB \| Samsung 120GB 5400RPM \| Saitek Cyborg Evo

Oct 3, 2005, 07:07 PM	#3
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	i wanted to know about these drivers. i dont see my computer for many weeks at a time, so someone tell me about them. the pro version seems to have system registry tweeks to improve system performance too (tho its good they told us, i belive an option for the user to enable these is due). __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Oct 3, 2005, 07:14 PM	Thread Starter #4
Widkidone DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 711 Rep Power: 0	Hey Mindless long time no see!!! Well i am using these since the UniAN Drivers have been forgotten. But these, in my opinion, are very stable and does well in BF2. You can check out there site here: http://www.tweaksrus.com/forums/index.php?showforum=80 These have both CP and/or CCC. Since i have switched from Intel to AMD i am using the CCC version. ** Plus you might want to add these to your Driver comparison list. __________________ Case- Cooler Master ATC-201B-BXT Aluminum Case Power Supply- Antec 480w TrueBlue480 ATX-12V MX518 Mouse CPU- AMD Athlon 64 processor 4000+ (2.4GHz) Socket-939 Motherboard-K8N Neo2 Platinum 2 GB DDR (2 pcs 1GB) PC-3200 (400) OCZ Dual Channel Platinum Hard Drive- WD 74GB 8MB 10000rpm S-ATA WD740GD Sound Card- Creative SB Audigy 2 Zs Platinum CDRW- LG GCE-8525BI 52X32X52 CD-RW OS- Microsoft Windows XP Pro Edition w/SP2 Video-Radeon X850XT AGP 256MB

Oct 4, 2005, 01:24 PM	#8
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Not a set I would recommend “USER BEWARE” I’m just going what I’ve herd that the work is amateurish (and I’m being nice as I've not herd god things yet but i've not really been looking either). I would recommend you stay with the known modded sets until they have been given time to mature / get better. Also after seeing stuff like this doesn’t help my opinion ether. To be fair though I will take a look at them since they are being discussed.I’ve known about thier existance for some time along other sets that are “yet” worthy of recognition. Old habits die hard I my ear to the ground when to comes to modded drivers __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Oct 4, 2005 at 02:48 PM.

Oct 3, 2005, 07:17 PM	#5
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	whats with the name "WarCats"? just sound cool, or is there a meaning? "-Better image quality and a higher performance in D3D applications that support DirectX;" as opposed to the D3D games that don't support Direct X?

Oct 4, 2005, 12:50 AM	#6
WarAnakin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	About the name. It comes from war cats, like the tigers. I like alot tigers. It also means something else but i won't say it in here. If you want to know more about this driver, than you could come over to tweaksrus and read some feedbacks or you could try it out yourself and give us your own feedback. link removed Nice site you've got here guys. I love this colors

Oct 4, 2005, 11:38 AM	#7
UnTouchAble DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: S-O-T Posts: 342 Rep Power: 0	Nice, i am downloading now! Will post back with results.

Oct 4, 2005, 01:50 PM	#9
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	well the author seems to be very nice. so regardless wether they are not up to par, please lets be nice to this guy. if my computer was here i would install them and give my opinion, but i cant. no ati card around __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Oct 4, 2005, 01:57 PM	#10
UnTouchAble DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: S-O-T Posts: 342 Rep Power: 0	Installed and seem smother on DoD:S! Gonne test them on BF2 now.

Oct 4, 2005, 02:08 PM	#11
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Neon, WarAnakin is the author and he had some nice things to say about DH. __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue][/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] Intel Q6600 / Dual 8800 GTS 512/ Asus Striker II Formula OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066 / Scythe Ninja / Hyper 880w 3 x Maxtor 750GB total SATAII / LG Multi Blu[/color]

Oct 4, 2005, 02:22 PM	#13
Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Interesting, maybe I'll try these out later. Thanks WarAnakin, IMO it's refreshing with new actors on the modding scene. __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

Oct 4, 2005, 02:23 PM	#14
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Waranakin, welcome to the forums, however I would prefer if you post in here that feedback is given in here, not linking to other forums. im sure you have time to support our membership, here. neon im sure meant no harm, he is just pointing out some issues he has seen in the past. Lets all be nice guys

Oct 4, 2005, 02:25 PM	Thread Starter #15
Widkidone DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 711 Rep Power: 0	Can we all just get along? Just try these drivers and give them a fair shake. __________________ Case- Cooler Master ATC-201B-BXT Aluminum Case Power Supply- Antec 480w TrueBlue480 ATX-12V MX518 Mouse CPU- AMD Athlon 64 processor 4000+ (2.4GHz) Socket-939 Motherboard-K8N Neo2 Platinum 2 GB DDR (2 pcs 1GB) PC-3200 (400) OCZ Dual Channel Platinum Hard Drive- WD 74GB 8MB 10000rpm S-ATA WD740GD Sound Card- Creative SB Audigy 2 Zs Platinum CDRW- LG GCE-8525BI 52X32X52 CD-RW OS- Microsoft Windows XP Pro Edition w/SP2 Video-Radeon X850XT AGP 256MB

Oct 4, 2005, 02:27 PM	#16
WarAnakin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Hey, thx fow the welcoming. OK guys, you may post your feedbacks in here .

Oct 4, 2005, 02:31 PM	#17
starfury6 Dark Jedi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Are the tweaks related to X series cards or all cards? The wife has a 9800 Pro in her machine... __________________ [color=DeepSkyBlue][/color] [color=DeepSkyBlue] Intel Q6600 / Dual 8800 GTS 512/ Asus Striker II Formula OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066 / Scythe Ninja / Hyper 880w 3 x Maxtor 750GB total SATAII / LG Multi Blu[/color]

Oct 4, 2005, 02:35 PM	#18
WarAnakin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	The extensions, PRO or XT, are not saying that you require a video card with the same extensions . This drivers work like all the drivers . They don't work for laptops sorry. For more information please read this : "As soon as ATI releases a driver , we'll start tweaking it . The 1st versions of the driver is called PRO because as soon as ATI releases their driver , we'll need a tweaked version of it . This version has to be quick and good . The 2nd version is called XT because is gonna come later , after the PRO version . This version is coming second because it requires additional tweaking in order to be better than both of the versions , the normal version and the PRO version . This will take more time , but the result will make the difference ." http://www.tweaksrus.com/forums/inde...showtopic=1874

Oct 4, 2005, 02:42 PM	#19
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Like I said, I was putting it nicely I don't see the need to repeat the things I've herd that may or may not be true other then as I generalized above. I’m not meaning to offend, insult, or argue. Just adding what I’ve herd from people / other moders etc. The impressions I've been left with it is however relevant since it is an relatively new or unknown set. People should use a bit of caution with all these modded sets popping up. Like I said I'll take a look at them since their being discussed. I’ve haven’t herd to much about them other then some jokes / pokes and claims others made at their expense. As I said above I've no hands on experance with them and would have to check them out.I’ll look and send some constructive criticism his way if warented. __________________

Oct 4, 2005, 02:47 PM	#20
WarAnakin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	You don't have to repeat things. I understood what you said. You have to know that is my right to protect this drivers . Enyways, do you got some more Inuyasha pictures in there ? I just love those cartoons.

Oct 4, 2005, 02:49 PM	#21
WarAnakin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	By the way, WarCats is meaning something else too . It means WarAnakin's Tweaked Catalyst for ATI video cards.

Oct 4, 2005, 03:08 PM	#23
WarAnakin DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Demons=Ghosts ? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha That's crazy man.

Oct 5, 2005, 04:19 AM	#24
kwapaw DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	I know that this is a fairly new modded driver set, but that doesn't mean we can automatically pass judgment on it without trying them out, right? Anyway, I've downloaded the XT version and I have to say that it's very stable. I have no benchmarks or formal tests to support this claim (or to claim that my system is faster), but the fact that my Windows system has been crash free since installing this is enough for me. Great work, WarAnakin. Keep it up and don't let the critics silence you.

Oct 5, 2005, 04:55 AM	#25
beezee DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	Hey Neon, give the guy a break! Don't pass judgement before these are tested. The more modders out there the better I say! WarAnakin, keep doing what your doing my man!!! I'll test out later. Thanks for your time and effort.

Oct 5, 2005, 08:39 AM	#27
Chrille DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 0	Always nice to see new modded drivers !. I will give them a try later

Oct 8, 2005, 04:06 PM	#28
kwapaw DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	@The_Neon_Cowboy, I guess time will tell if WarCats driver turns out to be a good mod. You may have noticed some unnecessary tweaks, but chalk it up to having less experience, I guess.

Oct 8, 2005, 04:09 PM	#29
kwapaw DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Just one question that I hope experts here could answer... I've noticed some sluggishness at some points in GTA:San Andreas using this driver. I can't tell for sure whether it's the WarCats driver or not, since I also downgraded my NF2 motherboard (including AGP drivers) drivers. It's something that I didn't experience before. Are the older AGP drivers to blame? Or has anyone out there experienced any problems with the WarCats driver?