Radeon 7000 PCI + Geforce 6800 = bad news

joesnizzle · Oct 13, 2005, 09:16 PM

I recently installed the PCI Radeon 7000 video card for an extra DVI port on my PC. I'm having what I believe is driver conflicts between my Nvidia card though.

The problem is that the display connected to the Radeon card is very laggy in 2d performance (I'll move a window, but i won't actually see it move for like a second delay, and videos are impossible to watch)... very annoying. This is with the ATI Catalyst drivers installed for the Radeon card.

When I completely uninstalled the drivers for my 6800GT though, the problem completely disappeared and 2d performance + video were fine.

I'm convinced this must be a driver conflict problem. Someone else recommended to me to just try using the "generic MS driver" for the Radeon 7000. I remember when I first installed the card that Windows automatically installed some driver for it. I ignored it and used the Catalyst drivers instead. Now when I have uninstalled the Catalyst drivers windows can no longer seem to install its driver. It can't find a driver suitable for the card anymore

Does anyone know how I can get the generic display driver back? I think it may fix my problems.

Or does anyone else know whats happening? I'm stumped, any help would be highly appreciated!

Thanks

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 13, 2005, 09:19 PM

NV drivers and ATI drivers do not play nice!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing you can do pretty much always been that way

uninstall the ati drivers and reboot and the generic one will
return but you can'r do anything that reqire 3d acceleration
on that card with out the real drivers.

joesnizzle · Oct 13, 2005, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

NV drivers and ATI drivers do not play nice!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing you can do pretty much always been that way

uninstall the ati drivers and reboot and the generic one will
return but you can'r do anything that reqire 3d acceleration
on that card with out the real drivers.

That's my problem though, when I reboot after uninstalling the ATI drivers, the generic one doesn't return. I don't care much about the 3d acceleration on the card, just using the card for an extra DVI port

joesnizzle · Oct 13, 2005, 10:13 PM

What I would really like to know is where would i get that generic driver from?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 13, 2005, 10:40 PM

Its VGA save its built into windows, try setting the driver in your device manager

joesnizzle · Oct 14, 2005, 02:59 AM

No, really though, Windows won't let me select the generic VGA driver, that's my problem. Do you know how I can force Windows to let me use that driver?

Actually, the only driver it will let me select is "ATI Radeon 7000" and it only wants to select that from my ATI driver CD

ReDGuiTaR · Oct 14, 2005, 03:11 AM

First make sure that OS plug and play option is on in the motherboard setup, then go in device manager and click on the card itself ( might have a yellow question mark beside it ) then right click and choose remove . Now windows should detect new hardware when you reboot and install the driver from its database .

joesnizzle · Oct 14, 2005, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReDGuiTaR

First make sure that OS plug and play option is on in the motherboard setup, then go in device manager and click on the card itself ( might have a yellow question mark beside it ) then right click and choose remove . Now windows should detect new hardware when you reboot and install the driver from its database .

Thanks, just tried that, but still didn't work. It still comes up saying that it can't install the driver for it

ReDGuiTaR · Oct 14, 2005, 03:58 AM

Ok, does windows detect that card or not ? you might want to remove the 6800 that way windows will not initialize the driver for it and reboot with only the 7000 in ... and set the first disply in bios setting to PCI...

joesnizzle · Oct 14, 2005, 05:09 AM

Upon disabling and removing the 6800 the computer would detect the Radeon 7000, but still wouldn't load the driver, it just put me in a "Vgasave" mode

Oh well, guess this just isn't going to work for me

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 14, 2005, 10:44 PM

It didn't install the VGA driver or he'd only have 8bit color at 648x480

Windows includes some ruidmentary drivers that work pretty good for just 2D stuff.

If you don't plan on using 3D then you don't need the latest drivers (I assume not as you do have a 6800GT in there

)

My advice is to pull it out and run an ATI driver cleaner filter, then see if the generic driver comes back.

Also, do CAB cleaner too as it should flush out the driver Windows wants you to install (its forcing the ATI CD driver cause its more recent)

joesnizzle · Oct 15, 2005, 09:51 AM

Heh, yeah, I don't know, Windows just hates me.

I tried that cab cleaner in addition to the driver cleaner (I've ran the driver cleaner a bunch of times before) but Windows still hates my videocard and won't load the generic VGA driver. Wish I knew why

UPDATE: HAHA!! I FIXED IT!!

So, I was snooping around in the /windows/inf folder on a computer that never had any ATI drivers on it. Found a file (atiixpag.inf) which referenced the Radeon 7000 but had Microsoft in the name.

I copied that file over to the troubled PC's inf folder, and tried updating the driver again, this time it recognized it (FINALLY) but was still missing a ton of files (I think CAB Cleaner / Driver Cleaner Pro ate them actually

) So I had to manually copy some .cab files and some files from the .cab files to the different places in the windows directory which it was asking for them at.

A very hackish way of getting that driver back in there, but success!!! Card works great now

Good times

Card is still more sluggish in 2d mode than I'd prefer ( I assume because the card is pretty ghetto + using generic windows drivers) but its better than it was behaving with the ATI drivers.

Oct 13, 2005, 09:16 PM	#1
joesnizzle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Radeon 7000 PCI + Geforce 6800 = bad news I recently installed the PCI Radeon 7000 video card for an extra DVI port on my PC. I'm having what I believe is driver conflicts between my Nvidia card though. The problem is that the display connected to the Radeon card is very laggy in 2d performance (I'll move a window, but i won't actually see it move for like a second delay, and videos are impossible to watch)... very annoying. This is with the ATI Catalyst drivers installed for the Radeon card. When I completely uninstalled the drivers for my 6800GT though, the problem completely disappeared and 2d performance + video were fine. I'm convinced this must be a driver conflict problem. Someone else recommended to me to just try using the "generic MS driver" for the Radeon 7000. I remember when I first installed the card that Windows automatically installed some driver for it. I ignored it and used the Catalyst drivers instead. Now when I have uninstalled the Catalyst drivers windows can no longer seem to install its driver. It can't find a driver suitable for the card anymore Does anyone know how I can get the generic display driver back? I think it may fix my problems. Or does anyone else know whats happening? I'm stumped, any help would be highly appreciated! Thanks

Oct 13, 2005, 09:19 PM	#2
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	NV drivers and ATI drivers do not play nice!!!!!!!!!! Nothing you can do pretty much always been that way uninstall the ati drivers and reboot and the generic one will return but you can'r do anything that reqire 3d acceleration on that card with out the real drivers. __________________

Oct 13, 2005, 10:40 PM	#5
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Its VGA save its built into windows, try setting the driver in your device manager __________________

Oct 14, 2005, 03:11 AM	#7
ReDGuiTaR DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Quebec , Canada Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	First make sure that OS plug and play option is on in the motherboard setup, then go in device manager and click on the card itself ( might have a yellow question mark beside it ) then right click and choose remove . Now windows should detect new hardware when you reboot and install the driver from its database . __________________ Zing a ling... zing a ling a ling ... A8N-E - A64x2 4600, 2048 Mb Kingston ram 400mhz cas 2.5 ( 2 x 1024 DualChannel ), Seagate 320 Gig 7200 16Mb cache S-ata 2, GeForce 7900GT 512MB, Enermax 460watt power supply, WindowsXP SP2.

Oct 14, 2005, 03:58 AM	#9
ReDGuiTaR DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Quebec , Canada Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	Ok, does windows detect that card or not ? you might want to remove the 6800 that way windows will not initialize the driver for it and reboot with only the 7000 in ... and set the first disply in bios setting to PCI... __________________ Zing a ling... zing a ling a ling ... A8N-E - A64x2 4600, 2048 Mb Kingston ram 400mhz cas 2.5 ( 2 x 1024 DualChannel ), Seagate 320 Gig 7200 16Mb cache S-ata 2, GeForce 7900GT 512MB, Enermax 460watt power supply, WindowsXP SP2.

Oct 13, 2005, 10:13 PM	Thread Starter #4
joesnizzle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	What I would really like to know is where would i get that generic driver from?

Oct 14, 2005, 02:59 AM	Thread Starter #6
joesnizzle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	No, really though, Windows won't let me select the generic VGA driver, that's my problem. Do you know how I can force Windows to let me use that driver? Actually, the only driver it will let me select is "ATI Radeon 7000" and it only wants to select that from my ATI driver CD

Oct 14, 2005, 05:09 AM	Thread Starter #10
joesnizzle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Upon disabling and removing the 6800 the computer would detect the Radeon 7000, but still wouldn't load the driver, it just put me in a "Vgasave" mode Oh well, guess this just isn't going to work for me

Oct 14, 2005, 10:44 PM	#11
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	It didn't install the VGA driver or he'd only have 8bit color at 648x480 Windows includes some ruidmentary drivers that work pretty good for just 2D stuff. If you don't plan on using 3D then you don't need the latest drivers (I assume not as you do have a 6800GT in there ) My advice is to pull it out and run an ATI driver cleaner filter, then see if the generic driver comes back. Also, do CAB cleaner too as it should flush out the driver Windows wants you to install (its forcing the ATI CD driver cause its more recent)

Oct 15, 2005, 09:51 AM	Thread Starter #12
joesnizzle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Heh, yeah, I don't know, Windows just hates me. I tried that cab cleaner in addition to the driver cleaner (I've ran the driver cleaner a bunch of times before) but Windows still hates my videocard and won't load the generic VGA driver. Wish I knew why UPDATE: HAHA!! I FIXED IT!! So, I was snooping around in the /windows/inf folder on a computer that never had any ATI drivers on it. Found a file (atiixpag.inf) which referenced the Radeon 7000 but had Microsoft in the name. I copied that file over to the troubled PC's inf folder, and tried updating the driver again, this time it recognized it (FINALLY) but was still missing a ton of files (I think CAB Cleaner / Driver Cleaner Pro ate them actually ) So I had to manually copy some .cab files and some files from the .cab files to the different places in the windows directory which it was asking for them at. A very hackish way of getting that driver back in there, but success!!! Card works great now Good times Card is still more sluggish in 2d mode than I'd prefer ( I assume because the card is pretty ghetto + using generic windows drivers) but its better than it was behaving with the ATI drivers. Last edited by joesnizzle; Oct 15, 2005 at 10:55 AM.