5.12 Released

Robert McClelland · Dec 9, 2005, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by >GSXR<mrbusa

uninstall that crap bloatware that uses who knows how many cpu cycles and countless ram resources and see how well that driver set works.im not trying to start a fight or down anybody for using what they like.but come on,what other driver ever in the history of pcs have required something like this to run properly.and im not talking about needing windows or dx9 or whatever.

I have no issue

no ram hog at all.

EfrainMan · Dec 9, 2005, 06:53 AM

I really don't get why there is so much hate for the CCC. The resources it uses are barely noticeable, you lose only a few 3dmarks, does that make your e-pnis shorter?

You'll never notice it while fragging people online. And you know what...it seems FASTER than the old CP to me! The CP seemed to take a half a second to a second or so, while this barely takes a tenth of a second. And I use .net 2.0. The CCC kicks butt, I can find stuff easier, even after years of the CP, and the games are not hampered by it at all.

Now, I'm gonna try these puppies out on games MWAHAHAHA!

OmegaRED · Dec 9, 2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by EfrainMan

I really don't get why there is so much hate for the CCC. The resources it uses are barely noticeable, you lose only a few 3dmarks, does that make your e-pnis shorter?

You'll never notice it while fragging people online. And you know what...it seems FASTER than the old CP to me! The CP seemed to take a half a second to a second or so, while this barely takes a tenth of a second. And I use .net 2.0. The CCC kicks butt, I can find stuff easier, even after years of the CP, and the games are not hampered by it at all.

Now, I'm gonna try these puppies out on games MWAHAHAHA!

Not everyone had a 4000+ with 2 gig of ram.

CCC still takes forever to load, sometimes I can check my email and view DH before it loads and that is not an exaggeration. Often it wont load at all.

>GSXR<mrbusa · Dec 9, 2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert McClelland

I have no issue

no ram hog at all.

the big picture robert is that apps that use the .net framework need atleast double the ram than others.it is in the same class as java when it comes to ram usage.now i am no computer science major,but i can read and there are alot of articals on ram usage of .net.even what we see in task manager is not correct because that is just allocated ram.to see private ram per app you need to create a personal performance counter for that app.i have disabled performance counters on my system and deleted all refference to them in the registry.i tried ccc and .net 1.1 and i didnt like it and i could notice a big hit in total system performance and responsiveness.im about ready to just give up windows and try linux for awhile.im sick of gaming now anyhow with all these half finished system crashing crap coming out.why would i want to have a 3000.00 system to play a 50.00 game at max res.it just doesnt make sense.this is all because each mfg of cards got involved with the production of the games.now the biggest company of all is involved with the drivers for one of those card makers.its all a big freaking joke on us.better get the newest card,the newest cpu,the newest mobo,and hey the game is 200gigs so better get a couple new drives.hey im all for new tech but give me a break with all this collaberation between companies to sell more stock.if this sounds stupid than maybe i am,but who cares just turn the channel.later

Raptor · Dec 9, 2005, 08:01 AM

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/D...737&deptID=894

Found this on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati newsgroup. hmmmm looks like the 5.12's with the CP. I haven't tried them yet as I'm tired and us old guys need thier sleep

and quite frankly I'm sick of updating drivers today. In fact, I'm sick of updating drivers period

AND, maybe somebody at ATI understands. Hope they work

OmegaRED · Dec 9, 2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Red

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/D...737&deptID=894

Found this on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati newsgroup. hmmmm looks like the 5.12's with the CP. I haven't tried them yet as I'm tired and us old guys need thier sleep

and quite frankly I'm sick of updating drivers today. In fact, I'm sick of updating drivers period

AND, maybe somebody at ATI understands. Hope they work

Why did CM say this

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we will not be posting the control panel any longer. Please use CCC

if its still being made

Raptor · Dec 9, 2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

Why did CM say this

if its still being made

Maybe they wouldn't post them *here*. You got your CP drivers dude, stfu already

Edit: Now I really got to get some sleep. nighty nite

Dyre Straits · Dec 9, 2005, 08:30 AM

Well, my 3DMark2K5 score nearly matched what I got with the Dell 'beta' release and is a few hundred points below what I got with the official CAT 5.11s. AND, that's having a P4 w/ HT Enabled which is supposedly supposed to be getting a better score than the 5.11s.

I just defragged my system HD earlier today and have cleaned my Registry and don't have any explanation for why I've taken a hit in the Benchmark where the Changelog says there should be an increase. ???

**temeteus82** · Dec 9, 2005, 09:06 AM

I have net. 1.1 and 2.0 and CCC works fine.. .. ..

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 09:22 AM

this question i mainly for Terry and CAt team whoi by the way makes some really nifty work great drivers.

Can you guys tell me why my card is shown as X800GTO

when it is a Power Color X800 BRavo ED. in no documentation it says it is a GTO

Clock speeds are as documented but why come that from cat 5.11 it shows it as a GTO???

is this slowing down the card is it gonna make the card to malfunction as it isn´t a GTO???

just wanna know that´s all

/
Petri
gonna istall 5.12´s soon

hoping for a boost in FEAR

junka · Dec 9, 2005, 09:36 AM

[color=#000000]I agree with most, ATI have gone to far forcing this CCC zhit on us, they should have got the message long ago that we don't want it. My next card is defiantly going to be NVIDIA. [/color]

[color=#000000]Another ATI customer bite's the dust[/color].

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 09:39 AM

well i´m having no problemas with CCC but it is strange as it shows a different card when it´s not well well

junka · Dec 9, 2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by petri1

well i´m having no problemas with CCC but it is strange as it shows a different card when it´s not well well

Hehe! Would'nt you call that a problem.

**temeteus82** · Dec 9, 2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by petri1

well i´m having no problemas with CCC but it is strange as it shows a different card when it´s not well well

Your card has same specs with GTO????

And now some words in Finnish ...

Ja Hauskaa joulua sinnekkin

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 10:28 AM

tmeteus82

kiito samoin hauskaa joula

now on topic: lol

so x800/GTO is the same??

i mean instead of having a x800 and 800GTO they made x800/GTO the same card no more x800 just gto in that case i understand but does it make the card to actual gto like bios flash or so?

Rayder · Dec 9, 2005, 10:29 AM

Installed the 5.12's on 2 PC's here....

MY bedroom PC allowed me to use .NET 2.0 (I uninstalled .NET 1.1), but the downstairs one forced .NET 1.1 to be reinstalled in order for CCC to work.

I don't know what magical blessing allowed .net 2.0 to work with CCC on mine but not the other, but it DOES make CCC boot quicker using 2.0.

Other than that, it appears to be running fine. I gave up on CP a long time ago. CCC doesn't bother me like how it seems to annoy most people.

EDIT: I also noticed that one of the openGL files (I think it was atioglxx.dll ) only expanded to 99% as the install files were decrunching. Not sure if that's important......don't have many OpenGL games to test installed anymore.

brutusmaximus · Dec 9, 2005, 10:37 AM

I think the problems people are having is that they arent using drivercleaner and have old files in the registry.

i installed the new drivers and they work fine on Net 2.0, CCC doesnt take that much memory either and the drivers are great.

Spyre · Dec 9, 2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by falconwar

Spyre, I will try it for sure but it mean no more optimization for the CP and I will probably miss many new features if I dont move to CCC in the future.

So my choice is done... NVIDIA next time

But as I said, I respect all of you who still prefer ATI. I hope many of you will still prefer ATI to make some competition vs NVIDIA.

The old CP hasnt been updated for 18 months and you didnt complain about lack of features then, The SAME version of the CP has been bundled for download since then so nothing has changed except that its not available as a seperate download any more but you can still use a previous version should you wish to do so.

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 11:08 AM

well i now have installed 5.12´s made a 3Dmark 05 for kicks
and to say this so you know i never made it past 5700 mark on any previous drivers cat´omega DNA ya name it
so to show what these drivers do on my rig (specs to follow)

i will post 3 images 800x600 the first is 3Dmark

next is FEAR bulit in Bench HIGH settings nothin extra on CCC

next is fear on maximum comp and GFX

well hope fully this works if not i re do it

specs is
Intel P4 Northwood HT tech 3.00GHZ 800mhz FSB

PowerColor X800 PCI-E

1gb Ram

all on stock speeds

i say WOW

way to GO ATI

EDIT Q4

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
7057, 145246, 25, 63, 48.587

this is all on FSAA 2z in game and 1024x768

pretty good for a rig like miine what ya all think???

can anyone here who know more on shadow issues on NFS mostwanted if i have the same issues since i think my shadows on this pic looks really good or am i wrong???

Rayder · Dec 9, 2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brutusmaximus

I think the problems people are having is that they arent using drivercleaner and have old files in the registry.

I installed the new drivers and they work fine on Net 2.0, CCC doesnt take that much memory either and the drivers are great.

I used DriverCleaner 2.1 on both systems. One allowed the use of .NET 2.0 and the other INSISTED on using .NET 1.1. I tried multiple times to get it to accept 2.0....wasted a couple hours on it.....but EVERYTIME, it would lock at the splash screen unless I installed 1.1. Odd, that the other one "just worked" while the other hassled me until I gave up and let it use 1.1.

The PC that DID work with 2.0 (in my sig) boots the CCC really fast compared to the other PC that's using 1.1 (same components, different motherboard--ABIT VA-20) Don't know if that's important or not....

At any rate, once CCC was working, everything seems fine. But I haven't really done any real intensive testing either.

-J_B- · Dec 9, 2005, 12:27 PM

Petri hows that compare to the 5.11's?

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 12:44 PM

well NFS no diference in shadows but now it is more speedy sort of speaking
other results are way better than 5.11´s never reached 5700in 3Dmark05 now over 4800 that is some improvment

daedal · Dec 9, 2005, 12:51 PM

So it seems there's a 3DMark increase, but how does it grade in actual games?
Anyone see a noticible difference? Kind of holding back on this release. Might wait for Catalyst 6.1 instead of dropping Omega's 5.11s.

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 12:54 PM

well i saw some improvment in Quake 4 this was with everything on adn some FSAA if i turn off shadows and FSAA i might see even more improvment

NFS most wanted is still too much with all on but even there is aw a difference

rawd · Dec 9, 2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Red

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/D...737&deptID=894

Found this on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati newsgroup. hmmmm looks like the 5.12's with the CP. I haven't tried them yet as I'm tired and us old guys need thier sleep

and quite frankly I'm sick of updating drivers today. In fact, I'm sick of updating drivers period

AND, maybe somebody at ATI understands. Hope they work

Praise the lord

Anyone else get to try these yet, I won't have time today to install them...

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 02:01 PM

i don´t get it how can so many have so much problems with CCC and i can´t find anything wrong with it sure in the beginning it could freeze or not popup at all but now it works fine.
well guess it´s just me or i can´t see the faults of it

Chaos · Dec 9, 2005, 02:16 PM

this is the first time in ages that i have had trouble with CCC. Like I posted earlier I am using the CCC from the 5.11 release and it is working just fine.

GNetX · Dec 9, 2005, 02:44 PM

There seem to be loads of complaints from you guys about CCC, and though I might get drowned out by these, I'm just gonna add my thoughts.

We must remember that as well as producing among the best graphics cards for hardcore gamers and hardware fans like most of the visitors to DH.net, ATI produce kick-ass cards for everyone which includes mainstream users. CCC is designed to try and meet the needs of everyone, and for the most part fulfils its role perfectly. Sure, it uses .NET, but then so do so many other really useful applications that I and countless others use daily. It may well reduce FPS in games by a couple, but at the end of the day most users are happy with the extra functionality and convenience that their PC gains. If you are more into squeezing out the extra few FPS from your machine, all well and good, but you'll probably want to move away from the mainstream software and driver control panels anyway and into the realm of ATT or another tweaker. If there is a "take it or leave it" message out of ATI, which I must admit I didn't notice, it's fair enough - they can only cater for the majority of the customers - minority customers are free and welcome to use third-party apps of which there are several really good ones available, should they wish to pursue something out of the mainstream. Sure, ATI would be foolish to neglect their enthusiasts, but they are one of the most active hardware developers in the enthusiast community which I know is appreciated by so many people, me included.

There may well still be outstanding issues with every release of the drivers, but all software has bugs somewhere - don't forget how many infinite configurations PC software and drivers have to work with!

I wouldn't describe myself as an ATI fanboy, and would probably respond to similar criticisms aimed at any other hardware developer if I was familiar with their products, but I'm really happy with what ATI does for us through Catalyst, and have had great experiences with 5.12 so far!

There you go, that's my 2c (or rather my 2 British pennies). Have a great weekend all.

**temeteus82** · Dec 9, 2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by petri1

so x800/GTO is the same??

i mean instead of having a x800 and 800GTO they made x800/GTO the same card no more x800 just gto in that case i understand but does it make the card to actual gto like bios flash or so?

If I'm correct the GTO cards uses R480 and R423 cores so that might bee the reason your drives id's your card like that...

petri1 · Dec 9, 2005, 03:02 PM

well mine is R430 so that is why i am confused

Dec 9, 2005, 06:53 AM	#62
EfrainMan HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 198 Rep Power: 49 System Specs	I really don't get why there is so much hate for the CCC. The resources it uses are barely noticeable, you lose only a few 3dmarks, does that make your e-pnis shorter? You'll never notice it while fragging people online. And you know what...it seems FASTER than the old CP to me! The CP seemed to take a half a second to a second or so, while this barely takes a tenth of a second. And I use .net 2.0. The CCC kicks butt, I can find stuff easier, even after years of the CP, and the games are not hampered by it at all. Now, I'm gonna try these puppies out on games MWAHAHAHA! __________________ My modest video card history: S3 Virge, 3DLabs Permedia 2, 3dfx Voodoo3 2000, 3dfx Voodoo5 5500, GeForce 3 Ti500, GeForce 4 Ti4600, Radeon 9700 Pro, Radeon X800XT, Radeon X1900XT+Crossfire, GeForce 8800GTX, Radeon HD4870x2, Radeon HD5870, 2x Radeon HD6970

Dec 9, 2005, 08:01 AM	#65
Raptor DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: California USA Posts: 464 Rep Power: 0	http://support.ati.com/ics/support/D...737&deptID=894 Found this on alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati newsgroup. hmmmm looks like the 5.12's with the CP. I haven't tried them yet as I'm tired and us old guys need thier sleep and quite frankly I'm sick of updating drivers today. In fact, I'm sick of updating drivers period AND, maybe somebody at ATI understands. Hope they work __________________ [COLOR=Green][COLOR=DarkOrange] P4C-800 DELUXE/P4 3.4 NORTHWOOD/2 GB CORSAIR PC3200/X850XTPE/2 300 GB MAXTOR HD'S/LOGITECH G5/LOGITECH Z-5500/CREATIVE XFI EXTREME MUSIC/MS 4000 KEYBOARD/Vizio VX37L HDTV/Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD and Toshiba HD-XA1/Oppo HV970HD SACD/DVD-A universal player/Xbox 360/Sony PS3. [/COLOR][/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 09:22 AM	#70
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	this question i mainly for Terry and CAt team whoi by the way makes some really nifty work great drivers. Can you guys tell me why my card is shown as X800GTO when it is a Power Color X800 BRavo ED. in no documentation it says it is a GTO Clock speeds are as documented but why come that from cat 5.11 it shows it as a GTO??? is this slowing down the card is it gonna make the card to malfunction as it isn´t a GTO??? just wanna know that´s all / Petri gonna istall 5.12´s soon hoping for a boost in FEAR __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 09:36 AM	#71
junka Zex Machine Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 199 Rep Power: 0	[color=#000000]I agree with most, ATI have gone to far forcing this CCC zhit on us, they should have got the message long ago that we don't want it. My next card is defiantly going to be NVIDIA. [/color] [color=#000000]Another ATI customer bite's the dust[/color]. __________________

Dec 9, 2005, 09:39 AM	#72
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	well i´m having no problemas with CCC but it is strange as it shows a different card when it´s not well well __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 10:28 AM	#75
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	tmeteus82 kiito samoin hauskaa joula now on topic: lol so x800/GTO is the same?? i mean instead of having a x800 and 800GTO they made x800/GTO the same card no more x800 just gto in that case i understand but does it make the card to actual gto like bios flash or so? __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 10:29 AM	#76
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,160 Rep Power: 71	Installed the 5.12's on 2 PC's here.... MY bedroom PC allowed me to use .NET 2.0 (I uninstalled .NET 1.1), but the downstairs one forced .NET 1.1 to be reinstalled in order for CCC to work. I don't know what magical blessing allowed .net 2.0 to work with CCC on mine but not the other, but it DOES make CCC boot quicker using 2.0. Other than that, it appears to be running fine. I gave up on CP a long time ago. CCC doesn't bother me like how it seems to annoy most people. EDIT: I also noticed that one of the openGL files (I think it was atioglxx.dll ) only expanded to 99% as the install files were decrunching. Not sure if that's important......don't have many OpenGL games to test installed anymore.

Dec 9, 2005, 10:37 AM	#77
brutusmaximus DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 520 Rep Power: 74	I think the problems people are having is that they arent using drivercleaner and have old files in the registry. i installed the new drivers and they work fine on Net 2.0, CCC doesnt take that much memory either and the drivers are great.

Dec 9, 2005, 11:08 AM	#79
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	well i now have installed 5.12´s made a 3Dmark 05 for kicks and to say this so you know i never made it past 5700 mark on any previous drivers cat´omega DNA ya name it so to show what these drivers do on my rig (specs to follow) i will post 3 images 800x600 the first is 3Dmark next is FEAR bulit in Bench HIGH settings nothin extra on CCC next is fear on maximum comp and GFX well hope fully this works if not i re do it specs is Intel P4 Northwood HT tech 3.00GHZ 800mhz FSB PowerColor X800 PCI-E 1gb Ram all on stock speeds i say WOW way to GO ATI EDIT Q4 Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg 7057, 145246, 25, 63, 48.587 this is all on FSAA 2z in game and 1024x768 pretty good for a rig like miine what ya all think??? can anyone here who know more on shadow issues on NFS mostwanted if i have the same issues since i think my shadows on this pic looks really good or am i wrong??? __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR] Last edited by petri1; Dec 9, 2005 at 11:54 AM.

Dec 9, 2005, 12:27 PM	#81
-J_B- DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 89 Rep Power: 0	Petri hows that compare to the 5.11's? __________________

Dec 9, 2005, 12:44 PM	#82
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	well NFS no diference in shadows but now it is more speedy sort of speaking other results are way better than 5.11´s never reached 5700in 3Dmark05 now over 4800 that is some improvment __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 12:51 PM	#83
daedal Uber Coffee Drinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gatineau, Quebec Posts: 2,250 Rep Power: 0	So it seems there's a 3DMark increase, but how does it grade in actual games? Anyone see a noticible difference? Kind of holding back on this release. Might wait for Catalyst 6.1 instead of dropping Omega's 5.11s. __________________

Dec 9, 2005, 12:54 PM	#84
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	well i saw some improvment in Quake 4 this was with everything on adn some FSAA if i turn off shadows and FSAA i might see even more improvment NFS most wanted is still too much with all on but even there is aw a difference __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 02:01 PM	#86
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	i don´t get it how can so many have so much problems with CCC and i can´t find anything wrong with it sure in the beginning it could freeze or not popup at all but now it works fine. well guess it´s just me or i can´t see the faults of it __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Dec 9, 2005, 02:16 PM	#87
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,269 Rep Power: 165 System Specs	this is the first time in ages that i have had trouble with CCC. Like I posted earlier I am using the CCC from the 5.11 release and it is working just fine. __________________

Dec 9, 2005, 02:44 PM	#88
GNetX DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 44 Rep Power: 0	There seem to be loads of complaints from you guys about CCC, and though I might get drowned out by these, I'm just gonna add my thoughts. We must remember that as well as producing among the best graphics cards for hardcore gamers and hardware fans like most of the visitors to DH.net, ATI produce kick-ass cards for everyone which includes mainstream users. CCC is designed to try and meet the needs of everyone, and for the most part fulfils its role perfectly. Sure, it uses .NET, but then so do so many other really useful applications that I and countless others use daily. It may well reduce FPS in games by a couple, but at the end of the day most users are happy with the extra functionality and convenience that their PC gains. If you are more into squeezing out the extra few FPS from your machine, all well and good, but you'll probably want to move away from the mainstream software and driver control panels anyway and into the realm of ATT or another tweaker. If there is a "take it or leave it" message out of ATI, which I must admit I didn't notice, it's fair enough - they can only cater for the majority of the customers - minority customers are free and welcome to use third-party apps of which there are several really good ones available, should they wish to pursue something out of the mainstream. Sure, ATI would be foolish to neglect their enthusiasts, but they are one of the most active hardware developers in the enthusiast community which I know is appreciated by so many people, me included. There may well still be outstanding issues with every release of the drivers, but all software has bugs somewhere - don't forget how many infinite configurations PC software and drivers have to work with! I wouldn't describe myself as an ATI fanboy, and would probably respond to similar criticisms aimed at any other hardware developer if I was familiar with their products, but I'm really happy with what ATI does for us through Catalyst, and have had great experiences with 5.12 so far! There you go, that's my 2c (or rather my 2 British pennies). Have a great weekend all. __________________ Intel Core2Duo E6600 (currently @ stock) // BFG nForce 680i // 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer 6400 400 GB SATA-II, Raid 0 // 320GB Seagate 7200.10 Backup // GeForce 8800 GTS Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty // ThermalTake Shark Black // ViewSonic VX924 19" 4ms TFT //Windows Vista Home Premium

Dec 9, 2005, 03:02 PM	#90
petri1 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 746 Rep Power: 0	well mine is R430 so that is why i am confused __________________ [COLOR=#232d35] [COLOR=Red]Intel Core 2 Quad 9450@2,66GHZ PowerColor Ati Radeon HD4870 512mb Gigabyte GaE-X38 4GB Kingston Hyper X [/COLOR] [/COLOR]