6.2 CCC don't like 9800

McWolf · Feb 11, 2006, 08:34 AM

The first time, Ati driver cause seriously poor performance on my 9800Pro flash BIOS to 9800XT, I check program process list, find there is one CLI.exe cause CPU usage varied, 0%-30%, look like a flash in 2-3 second

. That will cause the game stutter obviously, as a lag. why?

more...
1. core speed will be lowered at 297/351, but it should be 398/351
2. gamma seems very high in game, look not good as before
3. game performance is lower than any previous driver
4. even install NGO 6.2 CP package, the computer restart is very slow than before, still low performance.

swimtech · Feb 11, 2006, 05:18 PM

If you've determined that CLI.exe is taking the toll on your CPU, you may want to try using a recent Omegadrive set with the older Classic ATI Control Panel and ATI Tray Tools. Just be meticulous about cleaning out the old driver, CCC, registry entries, etc...

Edit: For quick reference, a "basic" cleaning procedure is...

1) Download and expand (if zipped or otherwise compressed) the driverset and WDM file (if needed) to a convenient location.
2) Download and install the DH DriverCleaner program from this thread Read about the program and its use in the forum here
3) Using the Add/Remove Programs Windows Control Panel, uninstall the Catalyst Control Panel - do not reboot.
4) Using Add/Remove Programs, uninstall the ATI Display Driver - reboot into safe mode.
5) Run the DriverCleaner program using the appropriate filters, reboot into Windows normally.
6) Cancel out of Window's attempts to reinstall drivers, then run your chosen driverset installation.

McWolf · Feb 12, 2006, 06:27 AM

Hi Swimtech, thanks for your reply. I indeed unstall previous driver by DC Pro

swimtech · Feb 12, 2006, 06:33 AM

Driverset without CCC working better for you?

McWolf · Feb 12, 2006, 12:39 PM

No, as i said before, even NFO 6.2 CP package is not good, performance is lower than 6.1, just without stutter. back to 6.1 CCC, no any problem.

but the image quality is noticable much better in 6.2, look like texture sharpen.

finally got it work now,very strange, 6.2 driver with Ati Tray tool. Performance seems very good now.

Robert McClelland · Feb 13, 2006, 05:36 AM

make sure you defrag once a week :P

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 13, 2006, 07:57 PM

Make sure you have installed (autopatcher XP rocks for this) and loaded
all your windows updates. make sure you have .net 1.1 and 2.0 installed...

I've never seen CLI.exe do that make sure your firewall or antivirus, or ther
3rd party software overclockers and tools etc... make sure thier not interfereing
by disableing or uninstling them.

BTW: ATI never released a 128MB 9800XT and it clocks are higer then those you
refer to are closer to a 9800 pro.

side note/ tip: never install CCC over CCC if you did that then uninstall CCC then
reinstall the the whole driver set.

(might be time to do a format and reinstall of your OS if it been more then 3 months
and depeding on weather you really use your system or not...)

Ping_of_HG · Feb 13, 2006, 09:38 PM

I have to agree with you on the CCC slowdowns. The CCC sucked on both my systems.

The new one was a Sempron 2600 in a MSI 480 motherboard (built in video) and the other was a 2600+ barton in a Gigabyte (nvidia ultra 2), 9800Pro card.

Both systems experienced large slowdowns in booting and overall system response. I removed the CCC and in the case of the nvidia board, I was able to install the Omega drivers. Massive speed up.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 13, 2006, 10:16 PM

well all I can say is when I tested before the diffence was 0% so as for slow
downs I'm skeptical unless you running a really old system in severe
need of an upgrade.....

jpinard · Feb 16, 2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

well all I can say is when I tested before the diffence was 0% so as for slow
downs I'm skeptical unless you running a really old system in severe
need of an upgrade.....

You're skeptical of everyone having performance issues aren't you? You've been around a long time... but that doesn't give you license to undercut every negative hardware issue. The more you keep spouting the same "its your fault" nonsense - the less credibility you have. Sorry, but I'm tired of seeing intelligent individuals being told "your computer's at fault" by both NVidia and ATI perps. There's so much fanboyism everywhere it's difficult to get real help anymore.

Even with the Asus A8R-MVP people either hate its guts and crusade against it evil nature, or proclaim it's the new God of the Hyperkingdom tm. What happened to it just being a motherboard that works OK for some and others need some support?

Feb 11, 2006, 08:34 AM	#1
McWolf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	6.2 CCC don't like 9800 The first time, Ati driver cause seriously poor performance on my 9800Pro flash BIOS to 9800XT, I check program process list, find there is one CLI.exe cause CPU usage varied, 0%-30%, look like a flash in 2-3 second. That will cause the game stutter obviously, as a lag. why? more... 1. core speed will be lowered at 297/351, but it should be 398/351 2. gamma seems very high in game, look not good as before 3. game performance is lower than any previous driver 4. even install NGO 6.2 CP package, the computer restart is very slow than before, still low performance. __________________ Last edited by McWolf; Feb 11, 2006 at 09:45 AM.

Feb 11, 2006, 05:18 PM	#2
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 124 System Specs	If you've determined that CLI.exe is taking the toll on your CPU, you may want to try using a recent Omegadrive set with the older Classic ATI Control Panel and ATI Tray Tools. Just be meticulous about cleaning out the old driver, CCC, registry entries, etc... Edit: For quick reference, a "basic" cleaning procedure is... 1) Download and expand (if zipped or otherwise compressed) the driverset and WDM file (if needed) to a convenient location. 2) Download and install the DH DriverCleaner program from this thread Read about the program and its use in the forum here 3) Using the Add/Remove Programs Windows Control Panel, uninstall the Catalyst Control Panel - do not reboot. 4) Using Add/Remove Programs, uninstall the ATI Display Driver - reboot into safe mode. 5) Run the DriverCleaner program using the appropriate filters, reboot into Windows normally. 6) Cancel out of Window's attempts to reinstall drivers, then run your chosen driverset installation. __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it. Last edited by swimtech; Feb 11, 2006 at 06:26 PM.

Feb 12, 2006, 06:27 AM	Thread Starter #3
McWolf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Hi Swimtech, thanks for your reply. I indeed unstall previous driver by DC Pro __________________

Feb 12, 2006, 06:33 AM	#4
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 124 System Specs	Driverset without CCC working better for you? __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Feb 12, 2006, 12:39 PM	Thread Starter #5
McWolf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	No, as i said before, even NFO 6.2 CP package is not good, performance is lower than 6.1, just without stutter. back to 6.1 CCC, no any problem. but the image quality is noticable much better in 6.2, look like texture sharpen. finally got it work now,very strange, 6.2 driver with Ati Tray tool. Performance seems very good now. __________________ Last edited by McWolf; Feb 12, 2006 at 05:33 PM.

Feb 13, 2006, 05:36 AM	#6
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Somewhere in Wood County Ohio Same Town :) Posts: 10,673 Rep Power: 196 System Specs	make sure you defrag once a week :P __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun" http://www.speedtest.net/result/1949536385.png correct the correct one now

Feb 13, 2006, 07:57 PM	#7
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Make sure you have installed (autopatcher XP rocks for this) and loaded all your windows updates. make sure you have .net 1.1 and 2.0 installed... I've never seen CLI.exe do that make sure your firewall or antivirus, or ther 3rd party software overclockers and tools etc... make sure thier not interfereing by disableing or uninstling them. BTW: ATI never released a 128MB 9800XT and it clocks are higer then those you refer to are closer to a 9800 pro. side note/ tip: never install CCC over CCC if you did that then uninstall CCC then reinstall the the whole driver set. (might be time to do a format and reinstall of your OS if it been more then 3 months and depeding on weather you really use your system or not...) __________________

Feb 13, 2006, 09:38 PM	#8
Ping_of_HG DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	I have to agree with you on the CCC slowdowns. The CCC sucked on both my systems. The new one was a Sempron 2600 in a MSI 480 motherboard (built in video) and the other was a 2600+ barton in a Gigabyte (nvidia ultra 2), 9800Pro card. Both systems experienced large slowdowns in booting and overall system response. I removed the CCC and in the case of the nvidia board, I was able to install the Omega drivers. Massive speed up.

Feb 13, 2006, 10:16 PM	#9
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	well all I can say is when I tested before the diffence was 0% so as for slow downs I'm skeptical unless you running a really old system in severe need of an upgrade..... __________________