Unplayable framerates in UT04

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 13, 2006, 05:15 PM

With the latest releases of catalyst UT04 is almost unplayable because the frame rate is too low, but only when there are many lightsources at the same place. It doesn't matter witch resolution or detail level is set, it's the same with 1280*1024 as with 640*480 + the lowest settings.

Config:
UT2004 3355
Catalyst 6.2
See sign.

Any ideas?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 13, 2006, 08:09 PM

screen shots? what Map? Area of MAP? FPS before and after?
Your CCC CP settings? You useing AA/AF etc... Details could be
useafull....

I'll load it up for ya to test it but I stopped actively playing the game
as it engine is "unstable" for the hardcore gameing I do after many
hours of play it always eventually ends up crashing with some sort of
engine error... Though UT2003 and before that all ran fine to date....

cause_of_chaos · Feb 14, 2006, 03:16 PM

Yup, UT2k3 runs better than UT2k4, which is why I play 2k3 more...

Surprising that 2k4 runs bad on your specs, It runs fine on mine (OK, only at 1024 or lower, with AA, and AF turned of!!!) We need more info to work out what the prob can be though...

cause_of_chaos

Killer_uk · Feb 14, 2006, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

screen shots? what Map? Area of MAP? FPS before and after?
Your CCC CP settings? You useing AA/AF etc... Details could be
useafull....

I'll load it up for ya to test it but I stopped actively playing the game
as it engine is "unstable" for the hardcore gameing I do after many
hours of play it always eventually ends up crashing with some sort of
engine error... Though UT2003 and before that all ran fine to date....

Strange, for me its fine after hours of play.

Dalton Sleeper, as neon said, tell us your CCC settings and in game details settings. One last thing, have you tried taking both the UT2004.ini and user.inis out of your system folder to let the game create the new files?

If you still have problems, pm me and I can send you my tweaked ini files to see if that helps any.

Chaos · Feb 14, 2006, 03:47 PM

works fine here also 4xaa 16xaf

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 17, 2006, 10:59 PM

Most maps runs great with 60-200 FPS without vsync (often enabled 60Hz). There is a indoor map that goes down to 10-15 FPS when looking at the lights, nothing special on this map besides it's grey and boring. I don't remember the name right now, I can post it later. Another map that is unplayable is the ice map. I don't play the game very much but I think the framerate is way too low for my system.

I always play the game with maximum settings and forced 16AF from ATT since there is no big difference between low and maximum ingame settings. I have played this game many times before and have never noticed any performancedrops. Could it be a driverproblem? I change to the newest ATI drivers every month after cleaning the old with drivercleaner.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 18, 2006, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer_uk

Strange, for me its fine after hours of play.

But do you play it for many hours "stright"?

like 8-12 hours
would be my adverage game session (time permiting) even longer
some time /i suspect the custom mps or content many servers are
useing....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton Sleeper

Most maps runs great with 60-200 FPS without vsync (often enabled 60Hz). There is a indoor map that goes down to 10-15 FPS when looking at the lights, nothing special on this map besides it's grey and boring. I don't remember the name right now, I can post it later. Another map that is unplayable is the ice map. I don't play the game very much but I think the framerate is way too low for my system.

I always play the game with maximum settings and forced 16AF from ATT since there is no big difference between low and maximum ingame settings. I have played this game many times before and have never noticed any performancedrops. Could it be a driverproblem? I change to the newest ATI drivers every month after cleaning the old with drivercleaner.

ok post the map names when you can and i'll have a "look see"

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 18, 2006, 10:46 AM

[color=black]

[/color]Ok, here are the screenshots. They were taken with ATI Tray Tools fps counter but it didn't appear on the screenshots. Anyway, the counter showed over 150 fps on the first pic, and only 20 on the other one. What's the difference between these pics that makes the performancedrop.

Map DM-IronDeity
Maximum settings
Forced 16AF
Res 1280*1024

http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/154.jpg
http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/20.jpg

Judas · Feb 18, 2006, 06:29 PM

could you hit the ~ key and type :

stat fps

hitting enter then taking screenshots...?

that way we can see how low it is.... and average..

AND update ut2004 to 3366..... some good amount of changes there...

Judas · Feb 18, 2006, 06:45 PM

In that same spot on my x700pro 256mb.....i'm getting roughly 85fps (vsync forced on) with 1024x768 (1280x1024 is a no no with vsync, as it'll cut me to 42.5 most of the time)

course i'm running the 64bit eddition of the game which gives me a better version of DX (dx9 support) and it just is faster..

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 18, 2006, 07:38 PM

[color=navy]Ok, maybe it's time to upgrade my CPU, this barton has been a damn good one, until now

[/color]
[color=navy]Quite strange this is a map with me and a bot as players when other maps runs just fine with 10 or more bots.[/color]

[color=navy]Anyway, here are some more screenies:[/color]

[color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/1.jpg[/color]
[color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/2.jpg[/color]
[color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/3.jpg[/color]
[color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/4.jpg[/color]
[color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/5.jpg[/color]

Judas · Feb 18, 2006, 09:30 PM

your all over 100fps.... i'd say that is quite good....

are you getting intermittend stutters that don't appear to really effect your fps?

cause i'd highly suggest you turn on Vsync..... a steady solid 85fps (or if you can do it, @ 120hz refreshrate, vsync enabled at that high a refresh rate is utterly amazing)

vsync is also great for providing a more stable playable frame rate..... saves unnessaryly wasted resources as well...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 19, 2006, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton Sleeper

Ok, maybe it's time to upgrade my CPU, this barton has been a damn good one, until now

Well just for reference I had a 2500+ Barton o/c to 3200+ (2.2 Ghz)
I upgraded 1st to a lowest end AMD64 "754 2800+" @ the stock 1.8 Ghz
gave me higher benchmarks... though if you do recomend you get at lest
a PCIe16X setup with at lest a 939 3500+...

So if you can upgrade to AMD64 man I'd go for for it....
I'm now a days running a 3700+ and and 4200+ X2

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 19, 2006, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

your all over 100fps.... i'd say that is quite good....

are you getting intermittend stutters that don't appear to really effect your fps?

cause i'd highly suggest you turn on Vsync..... a steady solid 85fps (or if you can do it, @ 120hz refreshrate, vsync enabled at that high a refresh rate is utterly amazing)

vsync is also great for providing a more stable playable frame rate..... saves unnessaryly wasted resources as well...

I got a few with only 20 fps, if not i must've posted the wrong ones. I always enable Vsync but disabled it just to show you the difference. These 20fps places is totaly unplayable so I guess i'll be playing other maps instead.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Feb 19, 2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton Sleeper

I got a few with only 20 fps, if not i must've posted the wrong ones. I always enable Vsync but disabled it just to show you the difference. These 20fps places is totaly unplayable so I guess i'll be playing other maps instead.

could be (I haven't had a chance to look for my self recently but) that fact
sa many maps are "custom content" created by somone who may not of
designed it other then to look pretty be fun and may not of thought of the
FPS costs of what ever effects etc they may be useing in some of those
those areas....

But judas say hes got 85fps on the same spot so I dunno what to say...
but yea defontly update you game to the latest version
http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/gam...h3369.exe.html

H3X4D3C1M4L · Feb 20, 2006, 03:03 AM

Mine works just fine. Switching to 6.2 actually gave me a bit of a boost

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 20, 2006, 03:02 PM

Patched to 3369, no difference.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Feb 20, 2006, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton Sleeper

Patched to 3369, no difference.

Your CPU is overclocked to a higher speed than mine, and I get quite nice frame rates, so I don't think its your CPU.

Looked at your RAM? Maybe its set at 2T?

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 20, 2006, 03:51 PM

If you mean the command rate it's 1T, I flashed to tictac/enduracells bios AN718_DE8 1T.

My integrated sata controller isn't very stable and have never been since i bought this mb, I had to change a setting from 30us to 1ms and use the newest bios for the sata controller/motherboard + latest drivers to get it to work, otherwise I get CRC errors in almost every file, last time i lost about 150gb of important files.
Another thing is that the sata controller dies everytime I change a setting in bios, only thing to do is to shut down the PSU

and then restart

OFT:
Found a cheap X2 4800+, but vill it work on:
[color=#800080]EPoX EP-9NDA3+,nForce3 Ultra,Socket-939 ATX,S-ATA,GbLAN,Firewire,DDR, AGP8X[/color] ?
I want to use my current GFX on it so for now it's AGP, if there is a better s939 motherboard with AGP, let me know

Judas · Feb 20, 2006, 06:20 PM

IMO, the value of a 4800+ is a little prices in terms of the small boost over a 4400+..... If you figure dollar value is a major concern.... i'd suggest getting a 4400+ and if 4800 speeds are required.... a small boost to the fsb is fairly simple and doesn't seem to even cause any stability so far... (just a suggestion)....

H3X4D3C1M4L · Feb 20, 2006, 07:53 PM

The difference between the 4400+ and 4800+ is very tiny....except in price. It isn't a worthwhile chip unless you just want the best of the best sans OCing

Dalton Sleeper · Feb 20, 2006, 08:44 PM

I would be happy if I get it over 2600, even happier around 2800 but think it's almost impossible with aircooling.

H3X4D3C1M4L · Feb 20, 2006, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalton Sleeper

I would be happy if I get it over 2600, even happier around 2800 but think it's almost impossible with aircooling.

Not if you go for it with the voltage but then the heat gets dangerous

Feb 13, 2006, 05:15 PM	#1
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Unplayable framerates in UT04 With the latest releases of catalyst UT04 is almost unplayable because the frame rate is too low, but only when there are many lightsources at the same place. It doesn't matter witch resolution or detail level is set, it's the same with 12801024 as with 640480 + the lowest settings. Config: UT2004 3355 Catalyst 6.2 See sign. Any ideas? __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever

Feb 13, 2006, 08:09 PM	#2
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	screen shots? what Map? Area of MAP? FPS before and after? Your CCC CP settings? You useing AA/AF etc... Details could be useafull.... I'll load it up for ya to test it but I stopped actively playing the game as it engine is "unstable" for the hardcore gameing I do after many hours of play it always eventually ends up crashing with some sort of engine error... Though UT2003 and before that all ran fine to date.... __________________

Feb 14, 2006, 03:16 PM	#3
cause_of_chaos SEGA Europe Limited Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 133 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Yup, UT2k3 runs better than UT2k4, which is why I play 2k3 more... Surprising that 2k4 runs bad on your specs, It runs fine on mine (OK, only at 1024 or lower, with AA, and AF turned of!!!) We need more info to work out what the prob can be though... cause_of_chaos __________________ AMD Phenom II 965 Black Edition @ 3.4Ghz 4Gb Crucial Ballistix PC2 8500 ~ 800 FSB {Timings 4-4-4-12} Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe CrossfireX Mobo ~ 2002 Bios MSI ATI RX3870 512Mb PCI-e 2.0 Graphics card Creative Audigy2 ZS Platinum Sound card (SB0350 10k2 [e800])

Feb 14, 2006, 03:47 PM	#5
Chaos Number Nine Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 5,268 Rep Power: 167 System Specs	works fine here also 4xaa 16xaf __________________

Feb 17, 2006, 10:59 PM	Thread Starter #6
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Most maps runs great with 60-200 FPS without vsync (often enabled 60Hz). There is a indoor map that goes down to 10-15 FPS when looking at the lights, nothing special on this map besides it's grey and boring. I don't remember the name right now, I can post it later. Another map that is unplayable is the ice map. I don't play the game very much but I think the framerate is way too low for my system. I always play the game with maximum settings and forced 16AF from ATT since there is no big difference between low and maximum ingame settings. I have played this game many times before and have never noticed any performancedrops. Could it be a driverproblem? I change to the newest ATI drivers every month after cleaning the old with drivercleaner. __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever Last edited by Dalton Sleeper; Feb 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM.

Feb 18, 2006, 10:46 AM	Thread Starter #8
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	[color=black] [/color]Ok, here are the screenshots. They were taken with ATI Tray Tools fps counter but it didn't appear on the screenshots. Anyway, the counter showed over 150 fps on the first pic, and only 20 on the other one. What's the difference between these pics that makes the performancedrop. Map DM-IronDeity Maximum settings Forced 16AF Res 12801024 http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/154.jpg http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/20.jpg __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever*

Feb 18, 2006, 07:38 PM	Thread Starter #11
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	[color=navy]Ok, maybe it's time to upgrade my CPU, this barton has been a damn good one, until now [/color] [color=navy]Quite strange this is a map with me and a bot as players when other maps runs just fine with 10 or more bots.[/color] [color=navy]Anyway, here are some more screenies:[/color] [color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/1.jpg[/color] [color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/2.jpg[/color] [color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/3.jpg[/color] [color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/4.jpg[/color] [color=navy]http://hem.passagen.se/dalton-sleeper/bilder/5.jpg[/color] __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever Last edited by Dalton Sleeper; Feb 18, 2006 at 08:09 PM.

Feb 20, 2006, 03:03 AM	#16
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Mine works just fine. Switching to 6.2 actually gave me a bit of a boost

Feb 20, 2006, 03:02 PM	Thread Starter #17
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Patched to 3369, no difference. __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever

Feb 20, 2006, 03:51 PM	Thread Starter #19
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	If you mean the command rate it's 1T, I flashed to tictac/enduracells bios AN718_DE8 1T. My integrated sata controller isn't very stable and have never been since i bought this mb, I had to change a setting from 30us to 1ms and use the newest bios for the sata controller/motherboard + latest drivers to get it to work, otherwise I get CRC errors in almost every file, last time i lost about 150gb of important files. Another thing is that the sata controller dies everytime I change a setting in bios, only thing to do is to shut down the PSU and then restart OFT: Found a cheap X2 4800+, but vill it work on: [color=#800080]EPoX EP-9NDA3+,nForce3 Ultra,Socket-939 ATX,S-ATA,GbLAN,Firewire,DDR, AGP8X[/color] ? I want to use my current GFX on it so for now it's AGP, if there is a better s939 motherboard with AGP, let me know __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever Last edited by Dalton Sleeper; Feb 20, 2006 at 04:17 PM.

Feb 20, 2006, 07:53 PM	#21
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	The difference between the 4400+ and 4800+ is very tiny....except in price. It isn't a worthwhile chip unless you just want the best of the best sans OCing

Feb 20, 2006, 08:44 PM	Thread Starter #22
Dalton Sleeper Programmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Västermo (Eskilstuna/Sweden) Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I would be happy if I get it over 2600, even happier around 2800 but think it's almost impossible with aircooling. __________________ Neverwinter Nights: The Best Game Ever