i seem to be in a pickle...

dirty elf · Feb 21, 2006, 01:35 AM

i have a laptop that i basically use as a desktop machine.. but have to carry it to class once and a while (thats why i got a laptop instead of a desktop)

but thats not my problem.. my machine has these specs..

Toshiba Satellite A75-S231
winxp home sp2 full updated
direct x 9.0c
p4 3.33ghz w/ ht
512mb ddr ram
100gb 4200x hdd
ati mobility radeon 9000 igp gfx chip
realtek audio ac'97 sound

now my problem is that my games (counterstrike 1, and asheron's call 1 : not really that demanding) no longer run, i keep getting errors saying my gfx driver has stopped working normally... (i have been running CS in LOWEST specs and it works with 30fps, and quite choppy... AC1 doesnt work at all, giving me errors within 5 mins in windowed, 800x600, lowest gfx possible) i visited ati's site and they told me they dont mess with my chip for whatever reason and I had to contact toshiba, well when i did that the people were in india and really didnt help much.. they told me to go to toshiba and download the driver on their site... well this is what it was

i download and install that and it doesnt seem to update my video drivers, mostly because it doesnt fix my problem at all... and for this reason

ive posted a few non technical sites and some people mentioned omega drivers.. i gave it a try using the help file but when i used driver cleaner pro it seemed to clean to much, and my computer told me that i didnt have any display driver installed at all and when i installed the omega driver after that it said it couldnt find a display adapter and it was using the default adapters... i had to use a restore disk to get the orig drivers that came with the system back

i was just wondering if anyone could help me, and if you need any more information just let me know and ill get it for you!

thanks

dirty elf · Feb 21, 2006, 05:12 AM

sorry just realized this is in the wrong forum.... move this to the mobility section please?

Tipstaff · Feb 21, 2006, 05:27 AM

One thing about Driver Cleaner is that you need to be carefull when cleaning out the IGP drivers since these can include your chipset drivers. When you use Driver Cleaner don't clean the 3 IGP options, but do clean out the rest of the ATI drivers.

Of course, before you use Driver Cleaner you should first use Add/Remove Programs to uninstall the drivers/software first. You would normally choose to uninstall the "ATI - Software Uninstall Utillity" which will uninstall the Control Panel/Catalyst Control Panel, and Display Driver. When the computer reboots you would then cancel the installation of any new hardware the machine finds, and then run Driver Cleaner. Reboot again, choose not to install new hardware, and then proceed to install the new drivers.

Instead of using Omegas drivers you could choose to install the ATI drivers. There is a tool you can find HERE called the DH Mobility Modder. First, start the installation of the ATI drivers, and after it extracts the files for installing, quit. Then, run the Mobility Modder, and after it's made the changes to support your card it will ask about installing the drivers.

Of note, don't worry about the different dates that you've pointed out to in the pics. The one Toshiba listed is the WHQL package version, while the other is the actual driver version. If you check out the display adapter properties, and the actual drivers installed within Device Manager you will see both dates listed there.

BTW, I just noticed that you posted in a thread that Joshman started HERE. Usually that type of corruption is caused by overheating of the chipset (or GPU, but since your graphics is integrated it would be in the chipset). Do you have suffceint ventilation below the laptop? I would try propping up the laptop to give it a good inch of space between the bottom of the laptop and whatever you are resting it on. Are the fans for the system working, and not blocked (by dust, or other)? Be sure to keep them clean as any heat that can't get out just builds up within the casing.

Lastly, another thing you might consider is updating your sound drivers, but not with the ones Toshiba has listed. You can get the official drivers from Realtek for your card HERE, HERE, or HERE (same driver, 3 links). This may or may not help, but since this is gaming related it can't hurt. However, my thought is still that it is a heat issue.

StApostol · Feb 21, 2006, 08:50 AM

Do you have hardware acceleration? Download glview (http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/download.html) and look under the 'report' tab if there is no hardware acceleration. If this is the case then we have the same problem (though I have a desktop system). Drivers are not updated correctly, and direct3d / opengl do not work correctly.

This might be why you can run CS (which can run with a software renderer - using directdraw - or an opengl one - using microsoft's software emulated opengl) and not asheron's call (it is a direct3d game isn't it?)

dirty elf · Feb 21, 2006, 11:41 PM

thanks for the replys, tipstaff... i dont get that EXACT screen, however i get the same type of errors with that chipset...

instead my screen goes black and i get the error message - "the ati2dvag display driver has stopped working normally" then i click ok and windows is in some sort of reduced 'safe mode' type deal and when i restart it says windows recovered from a serious error regarding my ati drivers but doesnt have a solution.

and regarding Counterstrike, yea i set it to software renderer and now it seems to run, albeit choppy but it runs, the openGL mode caused it to lock up, freeze, crash any number of those, even blue screen

asheron's call is a direct3d game (that means uses direct x?) and thats where i get the ati2dvag driver stopped working error message and have to restart

thanks again for the replys, ill try what you suggested and report back here good or bad.. and if i need help i assume this is the place to be

thanks again

dirty elf · Feb 22, 2006, 05:16 AM

when im using mobility modder, do i have to uninstall the ati drivers or can i let it install the new drivers overtop of my existing ones?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StApostol

Do you have hardware acceleration? Download glview (http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/download.html) and look under the 'report' tab if there is no hardware acceleration. If this is the case then we have the same problem (though I have a desktop system). Drivers are not updated correctly, and direct3d / opengl do not work correctly.

This might be why you can run CS (which can run with a software renderer - using directdraw - or an opengl one - using microsoft's software emulated opengl) and not asheron's call (it is a direct3d game isn't it?)

i downloaded that and look at it, some of my open GL features dont work correctly it says (wutever that means..) and i have no palleted texture support or something doesnt work right and it said that might cause older games to not function correctly

Tipstaff · Feb 22, 2006, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty elf

when im using mobility modder, do i have to uninstall the ati drivers or can i let it install the new drivers overtop of my existing ones?

For best results you should uninstall the old ones first, and do a clean with Driver Cleaner Pro, however it's not absolutely necessary. There are cases where your performance can be hindered by a setting with the older driver, or during the installation of a file that won't get replaced that needs to be due to the fact that an older version is there. However, as I said, it's not absolutely necessary, because in 90% of the cases it will be fine, but you should uninstall, and then clean them out every now and then.

dirty elf · Feb 22, 2006, 10:25 PM

as i said last time with driver cleaner, i chose ATI IGP and hit clean, aparently that was the wrong thing to do.. which options is safe to clean with driver cleaner? and should i uninstall the ati control panel, the driver and the uninstall app (all found in add/remove programs) first? or use driver cleaner first?

then after i get it all cleaned / uninstalled do i go to ati.com and download the new 6.2 catalyst for desktops, unzip it to C:/ATI and when it cancels run mobilty modder and it will install it for me?

if thats all i have to do let me know and ill do it

thanks again

Tipstaff · Feb 23, 2006, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty elf

as i said last time with driver cleaner, i chose ATI IGP and hit clean, aparently that was the wrong thing to do.. which options is safe to clean with driver cleaner? and should i uninstall the ati control panel, the driver and the uninstall app (all found in add/remove programs) first? or use driver cleaner first?

then after i get it all cleaned / uninstalled do i go to ati.com and download the new 6.2 catalyst for desktops, unzip it to C:/ATI and when it cancels run mobilty modder and it will install it for me?

if thats all i have to do let me know and ill do it

thanks again

Definitly download the drivers first. Makes life easier.

If you've uninstalled the IGP drivers then you should also reinstall the chipset driver before you proceed with the video drivers since they depend on those. See the end of this post for more on that.

Here's a step by step:

1a) Make sure you reinstall the chipset (south bridge) driver first.

1b) Goto Add/Remove Programs. Choose to uninstall the "ATI - Software Uninstallation Utility". This utility will uninstall not only the drivers, but the control panel too. It won't look like it at first, but once you reboot the other options will disapear. After it's done, reboot, and cancel when it asks about install the drivers for the new hardware it's going to find.

2) Run Driver Cleaner, and clean using these options: ATI, ATI CCC, ATI Hydravision, ATI MMC, ATI Remote Wonder, ATI Uninstall Utility, and ATI WDM. Then let Driver Cleaner do it's job. After that, reboot the machine, and again cancel the installation of new drivers.

3) Start the installation of the ATI official drivers. After it extracts the files the ATI Installation Wizard will start. This is where you would choose to cancel the installation. Doing so will not delete the extracted files (which will be in the C:\ATI folder). Then, run the Mobility Modder. After it's modified the files it will ask you about installing the drivers. Do so, and reboot when it's all done.

That should about do it.

Also, if you haven't done so yet, make sure you reinstall the chipset driver (or the South Bridge driver) from ATI. You can get that from their site HERE. The link is at the bottom of the page. If the link doesn't work you will have to search the site for Motherboard and IGP driver.

dirty elf · Feb 23, 2006, 04:47 AM

ok let me try that i have hte SB driver from my restore cd

dirty elf · Feb 23, 2006, 11:46 PM

another quick question.. sorry for all the questions its just when messin with drivers and my computer and everything i wanna be sure before i start erasing crap...

do i let the files extract (from the ati drivers) anywhere? will mobility modder find them no matter where they are?

and do i do all this in safe mode? or is that not nessecary?

and when canceling the installation... is that the same as clicking ok when it tells me my INF file isint found and it closes? or is there another way i have to cancel it?

thanks

Tipstaff · Feb 24, 2006, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty elf

1) do i let the files extract (from the ati drivers) anywhere? will mobility modder find them no matter where they are?

2) and do i do all this in safe mode? or is that not nessecary?

3) and when canceling the installation... is that the same as clicking ok when it tells me my INF file isint found and it closes? or is there another way i have to cancel it?

thanks

1) ATI drivers/software extract to a folder which will be off the root of your primary partition. In this case, C:\ATI . Mobility Modder will, by default, know to look in that directory, but it will ask you just incase you want to use another set of drivers that are in another directory.

2) You don't want to uninstall, or install drivers in safe mode. Bad things can happen when you do. However, for best results, running Driver Cleaner in safe mode is preferable.

3) Lastly, I guess cancelling like that would work since the drivers can't find your card for installing. However, just after the drivers extract the ATI installer comes up, and it's here that you would normally hit cancel, and then run the Mobility Modder which would take you through the rest of the installation.

dirty elf · Feb 24, 2006, 10:40 PM

i looked up C:\ATI and i have a bunch of folders in there all different drivers it seems... and when i download the drivers then run driver cleaner wont it clear them out? or does it only clear installed drivers?

Tipstaff · Feb 25, 2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty elf

i looked up C:\ATI and i have a bunch of folders in there all different drivers it seems... and when i download the drivers then run driver cleaner wont it clear them out? or does it only clear installed drivers?

Sorry for the delay.

Yep, Driver Cleaner will delete that entire c:\ATI folder when it does it's cleaning along with cleaning whatever aspects you've chosen within Driver Cleaner.

Also, I've made a slight change to the install order in my earlier posting. It dawned on me that you could mistaken "Start the installation of the ATI official drivers, but cancel after it extracts the files". Essentially, the first screen that pops up is the extraction tool where it will ask you where to extract the installation files. Let that do it's job, and extract. Right after it's done the ATI Installation Wizard will start. This is where you should hit cancel to stop the installation. Doing so will not delete the extracted files. This is when you would run the mobility modder to do the rest.

dirty elf · Feb 26, 2006, 02:22 AM

OH OH OK i get it now, when i download the drivers first i click save not run

i forgot about that, so i download them first, but not extract into the C:\ATI folder...

bah it all makes sense now lol

thanks ill be back if i have problems or if it works to thank you again heh

dirty elf · Feb 26, 2006, 02:22 AM

sorry dunno why it double posted guess it spiked or somethin

dirty elf · Feb 26, 2006, 08:18 AM

ok i did exactly wut was said here and everything seems to be in order

after i uninstalled it looked like crap (default drivers)
the mobility modder worked w/o error
after install looks better back to normal resolution

only thing i noticed is that when i used the open gl extensions veiwer to check it basically said everything was wrong (that might be because its not the rioght version for my chip or wutever)

but im gonna test out some games now and see if i have improved performance and ill post back here

EDIT:

the system runs stable, right resolution and all but now in counter strike when i try to select OPEN GL mode instead of Software it says thats not supported and defaults to software

and asheron's call does the same thing without the error message, locks up to black screen after about 5 mins

should i try omega drivers?

Quote:

Originally Posted by www.omegadrivers.net

The Omega Drivers are compatible with all ATI Radeon cards:
(it doesn't matter if they are [color=#ffae00][color=#ffae00][color=#ffae00]DDR[/color][/color][/color], SDR, PCI, PCI-E, AGP, Mobile, Retail, OEM or 3rd Party)

Radeon All In Wonder
Radeon 7x00/VE/LE
[color=#ffae00][color=#ffae00][color=#ffae00]Radeon [/color][color=#ffae00]8500[/color][/color][/color]/LE
Radeon 9x00/SE/Pro/XT/TX
Radeon xX00/SE/Pro/XT/PE
All Mobility Radeons (M6 and up)

is my chip M6 and up? and it doesnt list IGP as one of the options...

dirty elf · Feb 26, 2006, 09:14 AM

i dont know if this helps any but it did not look like this before, it mentioned a few problems but not all bold like this (this is post mobility modder)

Tipstaff · Feb 26, 2006, 10:00 PM

That is kinda odd. I can't see why it won't work.

One thing you could do is try an older ATI driver like the Cat 5.13s. I would also try out Omegas drivers, but you can also give Driver Heavens DH Zeropoint drivers a try too. The last set of Zeropoint ATI drivers was version 5.13 which you can get from THIS page. They've been modded to support mobility chips just like the Omegas.

Lastly, the chip you are using is above an M6. M6 was the first Mobility Radeon chip, and yours is mostly likely one of 3 chips: the RS300, RS300M, or RS350 which was released after the M6.

Oh, one last thing. Most games will see the changing of video drivers just as if you had changed your video card. In some cases you will have to redetect, or reset your video settings within the game, or before you start the game. Not sure if you need to do this in this case though, but you might want to consider it if you keep getting errors.

dirty elf · Feb 27, 2006, 01:45 AM

another thing i didnt run driver cleaner in safe mode.. would that be worth a try?

and before, when i had the old toshiba drivers, i could play counter strike but using software renderer.. but when i selected open gl rendering it would take it in a sense that it would run (just with problems)

now with the mobility modder it wont even let me change it to that option

is that program that i posted pics of a good way to decide if my gfx is working properly?

Tipstaff · Feb 27, 2006, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty elf

another thing i didnt run driver cleaner in safe mode.. would that be worth a try?

and before, when i had the old toshiba drivers, i could play counter strike but using software renderer.. but when i selected open gl rendering it would take it in a sense that it would run (just with problems)

now with the mobility modder it wont even let me change it to that option

is that program that i posted pics of a good way to decide if my gfx is working properly?

It's the best way to clean, but not absolutely needed. I also don't think it's the root of the problem. My bet is that the driver didn't get installed properly. Why? Dunno.

As for the program, it is a good way to know for sure. However, don't take it too heart if there are a few errors. I'm using the Cat 6.2 drivers, yet I've got 5 errors pop up. 1 for the paletted textures, and 4 GL extension errors.

You could try running everything again, but I would definatly try out the Omega Drivers, or even the DH Zeropoint ones to see if this occurs again. At the very least you should try reinstalling Toshibas drivers from HERE. Even though they are old it's a good way to see if the same problem occurs.

dirty elf · Feb 27, 2006, 03:24 AM

now when i go to uninstall (with add/remove programs) it only has ati display driver not the control panel and the uninstall utility....

im just gonna uninstall it and run driver cleaner in safe mode and try to use mobility modder again

edit: cleaned in safe mode and reinstalled with mobility modder.. again the same open GL viewer errors, and no control panel installed... could it be that im mobility modding the wrong ati drivers? ... wut i mean is when i go to add / remove programs i no longer have 3 things ATI to choose from.. just the ati display driver (and i no longer have the dock icon for control center) is this normal?

and with omega drivers, i just run those after a driver cleaner right? dont have to mobility mod anything correct?

dirty elf · Feb 27, 2006, 04:17 AM

ok i cleaned and everything and went ahead and used omega drivers this time, and i think (according to open GL viewer) i got better results... im gonna go test it on some games now but this is wut i have with the GL viewer

Quote:

Originally Posted by OPEN GL VIEWER

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sorry for all the text, it would have taken like 5 screen shots to get it all lol

ill let u know how the games work lol

Tipstaff · Feb 27, 2006, 05:33 AM

Since Driver Cleaner would have deleted the C:\ATI folder there would only be the one driver for Mobility Modder to alter when you ran the install for the new drivers. It should have worked unless the modder missed something.

dirty elf · Feb 27, 2006, 06:40 AM

i ran modder again and got the same results.. now with omega drivers in counter strike it get frame rates of ~60 (before i got 30.. but it rarely crashed) now i notice more crashes... this is runnin in open GL mode.. should i try software mode?

havent tried asheron's call yet, but i think im getting somewhere at least... (just tried ac, same BS crashes, just locks up (obviouslly no more ati2dvag error message it just locks up totally so i have to hit power button)

anymore ideas..?

dirty elf · Feb 28, 2006, 10:49 PM

you think its just overheating? the fans are constantly on... u think a ltptop cooler would help at all?

Tipstaff · Mar 1, 2006, 04:13 AM

I'm seriously at a loss here. Since you've already done the south bridge chipset driver, and a clean install of about 2 different drivers there really isn't anything else other than to reload Windows.

One question: did you try out the DH Zeropoint drivers, or the ones that Toshiba provides? The reason I ask is that you've tried drivers based on the same Catalyst version, and it would be worth it to try an older set. The last Zeropoint drivers are based on the Catalyst 5.13 drivers, and I know the Toshiba ones are way older than that.

As for heat, make sure that all the fan intake and out ports are clean of dust, and you could try to prop up the laptop at the back to allow for more air circulation underneath. Also, you could try lowering the clock rate for the graphics using the ATI Tray Tools that came with the Omega Drivers.

dirty elf · Mar 1, 2006, 04:59 AM

lowering clock rate... wuts that do and how do i do that?

and i really dont wanna do a full install of windows, that involves losing alot of info on my HDD... maybe i can find someone to borrow some space from..

havent tried zeropoint drivers yet... i guess i should cant hurt right? and i have tried the toshiba drivers many times

Tipstaff · Mar 1, 2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirty elf

lowering clock rate... wuts that do and how do i do that?

and i really dont wanna do a full install of windows, that involves losing alot of info on my HDD... maybe i can find someone to borrow some space from..

havent tried zeropoint drivers yet... i guess i should cant hurt right? and i have tried the toshiba drivers many times

The clock rate determines how fast the card runs. The lower you go, the lower the heat... sorta. It can't hurt to try. As part of the Omega Drivers you should see a tool called ATI Tray Tools. It may or may not have been installed when you installed the Omegas. Look at your taskbar to see if it's there, and if not you should be able to install it from your Start/Programs folder within the Omega listing. You can also download it from Gurus site HERE. Now, the only thing is that I'm not 100% sure you can underclock it, but it can't hurt to try.

To underclock the card just run ATI Tray Tools, and you should see an icon on the taskbar for it. Right-click it, and choose "Hardware", "Overclocking Settings". The listing you want to change will say "Core Speed", and will have a slide bar. Try a clock rate about 50 points lower than what it's set to.

dirty elf · Mar 1, 2006, 04:51 PM

my card is only 64mb wont that hurt alot more then help?

and i dont have an option to over clock... it says its disabled

i can change the pci latency... wuts that? lol its set at 66 now

Feb 21, 2006, 01:35 AM	#1
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	i seem to be in a pickle... i have a laptop that i basically use as a desktop machine.. but have to carry it to class once and a while (thats why i got a laptop instead of a desktop) but thats not my problem.. my machine has these specs.. Toshiba Satellite A75-S231 winxp home sp2 full updated direct x 9.0c p4 3.33ghz w/ ht 512mb ddr ram 100gb 4200x hdd ati mobility radeon 9000 igp gfx chip realtek audio ac'97 sound now my problem is that my games (counterstrike 1, and asheron's call 1 : not really that demanding) no longer run, i keep getting errors saying my gfx driver has stopped working normally... (i have been running CS in LOWEST specs and it works with 30fps, and quite choppy... AC1 doesnt work at all, giving me errors within 5 mins in windowed, 800x600, lowest gfx possible) i visited ati's site and they told me they dont mess with my chip for whatever reason and I had to contact toshiba, well when i did that the people were in india and really didnt help much.. they told me to go to toshiba and download the driver on their site... well this is what it was i download and install that and it doesnt seem to update my video drivers, mostly because it doesnt fix my problem at all... and for this reason ive posted a few non technical sites and some people mentioned omega drivers.. i gave it a try using the help file but when i used driver cleaner pro it seemed to clean to much, and my computer told me that i didnt have any display driver installed at all and when i installed the omega driver after that it said it couldnt find a display adapter and it was using the default adapters... i had to use a restore disk to get the orig drivers that came with the system back i was just wondering if anyone could help me, and if you need any more information just let me know and ill get it for you! thanks Last edited by dirty elf; Feb 21, 2006 at 03:06 AM. Reason: more info

Feb 21, 2006, 05:12 AM	Thread Starter #2
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	sorry just realized this is in the wrong forum.... move this to the mobility section please? __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 21, 2006, 05:27 AM	#3
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	One thing about Driver Cleaner is that you need to be carefull when cleaning out the IGP drivers since these can include your chipset drivers. When you use Driver Cleaner don't clean the 3 IGP options, but do clean out the rest of the ATI drivers. Of course, before you use Driver Cleaner you should first use Add/Remove Programs to uninstall the drivers/software first. You would normally choose to uninstall the "ATI - Software Uninstall Utillity" which will uninstall the Control Panel/Catalyst Control Panel, and Display Driver. When the computer reboots you would then cancel the installation of any new hardware the machine finds, and then run Driver Cleaner. Reboot again, choose not to install new hardware, and then proceed to install the new drivers. Instead of using Omegas drivers you could choose to install the ATI drivers. There is a tool you can find HERE called the DH Mobility Modder. First, start the installation of the ATI drivers, and after it extracts the files for installing, quit. Then, run the Mobility Modder, and after it's made the changes to support your card it will ask about installing the drivers. Of note, don't worry about the different dates that you've pointed out to in the pics. The one Toshiba listed is the WHQL package version, while the other is the actual driver version. If you check out the display adapter properties, and the actual drivers installed within Device Manager you will see both dates listed there. BTW, I just noticed that you posted in a thread that Joshman started HERE. Usually that type of corruption is caused by overheating of the chipset (or GPU, but since your graphics is integrated it would be in the chipset). Do you have suffceint ventilation below the laptop? I would try propping up the laptop to give it a good inch of space between the bottom of the laptop and whatever you are resting it on. Are the fans for the system working, and not blocked (by dust, or other)? Be sure to keep them clean as any heat that can't get out just builds up within the casing. Lastly, another thing you might consider is updating your sound drivers, but not with the ones Toshiba has listed. You can get the official drivers from Realtek for your card HERE, HERE, or HERE (same driver, 3 links). This may or may not help, but since this is gaming related it can't hurt. However, my thought is still that it is a heat issue. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick. Last edited by Tipstaff; Feb 21, 2006 at 05:44 AM.

Feb 21, 2006, 11:41 PM	Thread Starter #5
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	thanks for the replys, tipstaff... i dont get that EXACT screen, however i get the same type of errors with that chipset... instead my screen goes black and i get the error message - "the ati2dvag display driver has stopped working normally" then i click ok and windows is in some sort of reduced 'safe mode' type deal and when i restart it says windows recovered from a serious error regarding my ati drivers but doesnt have a solution. and regarding Counterstrike, yea i set it to software renderer and now it seems to run, albeit choppy but it runs, the openGL mode caused it to lock up, freeze, crash any number of those, even blue screen asheron's call is a direct3d game (that means uses direct x?) and thats where i get the ati2dvag driver stopped working error message and have to restart thanks again for the replys, ill try what you suggested and report back here good or bad.. and if i need help i assume this is the place to be thanks again __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 22, 2006, 10:25 PM	Thread Starter #8
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	as i said last time with driver cleaner, i chose ATI IGP and hit clean, aparently that was the wrong thing to do.. which options is safe to clean with driver cleaner? and should i uninstall the ati control panel, the driver and the uninstall app (all found in add/remove programs) first? or use driver cleaner first? then after i get it all cleaned / uninstalled do i go to ati.com and download the new 6.2 catalyst for desktops, unzip it to C:/ATI and when it cancels run mobilty modder and it will install it for me? if thats all i have to do let me know and ill do it thanks again __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 21, 2006, 08:50 AM	#4
StApostol DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Do you have hardware acceleration? Download glview (http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/download.html) and look under the 'report' tab if there is no hardware acceleration. If this is the case then we have the same problem (though I have a desktop system). Drivers are not updated correctly, and direct3d / opengl do not work correctly. This might be why you can run CS (which can run with a software renderer - using directdraw - or an opengl one - using microsoft's software emulated opengl) and not asheron's call (it is a direct3d game isn't it?)

Feb 23, 2006, 04:47 AM	Thread Starter #10
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	ok let me try that i have hte SB driver from my restore cd __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 23, 2006, 11:46 PM	Thread Starter #11
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	another quick question.. sorry for all the questions its just when messin with drivers and my computer and everything i wanna be sure before i start erasing crap... do i let the files extract (from the ati drivers) anywhere? will mobility modder find them no matter where they are? and do i do all this in safe mode? or is that not nessecary? and when canceling the installation... is that the same as clicking ok when it tells me my INF file isint found and it closes? or is there another way i have to cancel it? thanks __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 24, 2006, 10:40 PM	Thread Starter #13
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	i looked up C:\ATI and i have a bunch of folders in there all different drivers it seems... and when i download the drivers then run driver cleaner wont it clear them out? or does it only clear installed drivers? __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 26, 2006, 02:22 AM	Thread Starter #15
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	OH OH OK i get it now, when i download the drivers first i click save not run i forgot about that, so i download them first, but not extract into the C:\ATI folder... bah it all makes sense now lol thanks ill be back if i have problems or if it works to thank you again heh __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 26, 2006, 02:22 AM	Thread Starter #16
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	sorry dunno why it double posted guess it spiked or somethin __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231 Last edited by dirty elf; Feb 26, 2006 at 02:23 AM. Reason: double post

Feb 26, 2006, 09:14 AM	Thread Starter #18
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	i dont know if this helps any but it did not look like this before, it mentioned a few problems but not all bold like this (this is post mobility modder) __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 26, 2006, 10:00 PM	#19
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	That is kinda odd. I can't see why it won't work. One thing you could do is try an older ATI driver like the Cat 5.13s. I would also try out Omegas drivers, but you can also give Driver Heavens DH Zeropoint drivers a try too. The last set of Zeropoint ATI drivers was version 5.13 which you can get from THIS page. They've been modded to support mobility chips just like the Omegas. Lastly, the chip you are using is above an M6. M6 was the first Mobility Radeon chip, and yours is mostly likely one of 3 chips: the RS300, RS300M, or RS350 which was released after the M6. Oh, one last thing. Most games will see the changing of video drivers just as if you had changed your video card. In some cases you will have to redetect, or reset your video settings within the game, or before you start the game. Not sure if you need to do this in this case though, but you might want to consider it if you keep getting errors. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

Feb 27, 2006, 01:45 AM	Thread Starter #20
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	another thing i didnt run driver cleaner in safe mode.. would that be worth a try? and before, when i had the old toshiba drivers, i could play counter strike but using software renderer.. but when i selected open gl rendering it would take it in a sense that it would run (just with problems) now with the mobility modder it wont even let me change it to that option is that program that i posted pics of a good way to decide if my gfx is working properly? __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Feb 27, 2006, 03:24 AM	Thread Starter #22
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	now when i go to uninstall (with add/remove programs) it only has ati display driver not the control panel and the uninstall utility.... im just gonna uninstall it and run driver cleaner in safe mode and try to use mobility modder again edit: cleaned in safe mode and reinstalled with mobility modder.. again the same open GL viewer errors, and no control panel installed... could it be that im mobility modding the wrong ati drivers? ... wut i mean is when i go to add / remove programs i no longer have 3 things ATI to choose from.. just the ati display driver (and i no longer have the dock icon for control center) is this normal? and with omega drivers, i just run those after a driver cleaner right? dont have to mobility mod anything correct? __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231 Last edited by dirty elf; Feb 27, 2006 at 03:44 AM. Reason: tried it.. no cigar

Feb 27, 2006, 05:33 AM	#24
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	Since Driver Cleaner would have deleted the C:\ATI folder there would only be the one driver for Mobility Modder to alter when you ran the install for the new drivers. It should have worked unless the modder missed something. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

Feb 27, 2006, 06:40 AM	Thread Starter #25
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	i ran modder again and got the same results.. now with omega drivers in counter strike it get frame rates of ~60 (before i got 30.. but it rarely crashed) now i notice more crashes... this is runnin in open GL mode.. should i try software mode? havent tried asheron's call yet, but i think im getting somewhere at least... (just tried ac, same BS crashes, just locks up (obviouslly no more ati2dvag error message it just locks up totally so i have to hit power button) anymore ideas..? __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231 Last edited by dirty elf; Feb 27, 2006 at 08:16 AM. Reason: more info

Feb 28, 2006, 10:49 PM	Thread Starter #26
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	you think its just overheating? the fans are constantly on... u think a ltptop cooler would help at all? __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Mar 1, 2006, 04:13 AM	#27
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 191 System Specs	I'm seriously at a loss here. Since you've already done the south bridge chipset driver, and a clean install of about 2 different drivers there really isn't anything else other than to reload Windows. One question: did you try out the DH Zeropoint drivers, or the ones that Toshiba provides? The reason I ask is that you've tried drivers based on the same Catalyst version, and it would be worth it to try an older set. The last Zeropoint drivers are based on the Catalyst 5.13 drivers, and I know the Toshiba ones are way older than that. As for heat, make sure that all the fan intake and out ports are clean of dust, and you could try to prop up the laptop at the back to allow for more air circulation underneath. Also, you could try lowering the clock rate for the graphics using the ATI Tray Tools that came with the Omega Drivers. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.

Mar 1, 2006, 04:59 AM	Thread Starter #28
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	lowering clock rate... wuts that do and how do i do that? and i really dont wanna do a full install of windows, that involves losing alot of info on my HDD... maybe i can find someone to borrow some space from.. havent tried zeropoint drivers yet... i guess i should cant hurt right? and i have tried the toshiba drivers many times __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231

Mar 1, 2006, 04:51 PM	Thread Starter #30
dirty elf DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: florida Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	my card is only 64mb wont that hurt alot more then help? and i dont have an option to over clock... it says its disabled i can change the pci latency... wuts that? lol its set at 66 now __________________ Toshiba Satellite A75-S231