Kx vs EAX vs A3D on Audigy 2 for counter-strike?

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  1. kelesh

    kelesh New Member

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    Hi. I play counter-strike alot, and have good 3d audio (360 degrees and elevations are both important).

    But I also want to have the best music possible, using an audigy 2, WinXP, Foobar 2000, a $190 Meta42 Headphone Amp and Sennheiser HD580's.

    Is it possible to have decent 3d sound with the kx drivers? From what I've read it seems they make music sound noticably better. Currently I'm using EAX Special audio effects (rock equalizer and cmss2), with creative's drivers.
     
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    Rogacz Porcupine Floyd

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    That makes a huge dillema.

    Great music quality + no EAX support in games = kX
    Moderate music quality + full EAX support in games = Creative drv`s.

    I found that some games work slower with kX drivers and of course without effects, but lossy music decoding goes awesome on those drivers.

    It makes great dillema. Actualy I`ve faded back to Creative drivers, cause I must test some sounds in games, and default drv`s work better than kX ones in this case.

    I`ll definitly be using kX drivers when they fully support EAX.
     
  3. HunterZ

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    kX does support the 3D positional sound components of EAX and DirectSound3D. I play Counter-Strike regularly with them and it sounds good on my 4.1 system. I've heard that kX may have issues handling elevation, but I've never noticed. The big downfall is that kX doesn't support any environmental effects yet.
     
  4. kelesh

    kelesh New Member

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    wow, thanks Hunterz!!! I will uninstall creative's drivers and install the kx drivers tonight.

    I'm guessing I need to uninstall every creative audio application as well? THe EAX console, volume stuff, etc?
     
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    dj_stick Apple Fanboy?

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    jsut do a full uninstall of everything creative
     
  6. HunterZ

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    Yeah most of the Creative stuff will break if it doesn't have its own drivers to talk to. I uninstalled it all and even dug through my registry and hard drive for anything left behind.

    Sometimes I'm temped to reinstall the Creative drivers, but I just can't give up the ability to decode Dolby ProLogic and to use the discreet subwoofer output with my 4.1 system (Creative's drivers will only let you use the subwoofer output in 5.1 mode last I checked).

    My only hope is that Eugene will start tackling EAX effects support sometime in the not-too-distant future :)
     
  7. kelesh

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    well i have the kx drivers installed, and I must say that I do NOT notice an increase in sound quality. If anything it might sound worse. (this may be because I know how to resample to 24bit instead of 32bit in foobar 2000, but I doubt that's the cause). Am I crazy? Is there a way to tweak these drivers? Is it even possible that the kx drivers (3534) could sound worse than my creative drivers?? this is baffling.

    using audigy 2, klipsch promedia 2.1's sennheiser hd580's, foobar 2000 (kernel streaming 24bit 48khz), windows xp - listening to beck, cake, weezer, radiohead, tool, nirvana, classical, etc.
     
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    Rogacz Porcupine Floyd

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    I`ve noticed that the hiss level is more less in kX than in Creative. Also MP3 decoding is better, kX doasn`t create so much chorus effect.
     
  9. Eugene Gavrilov

    Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator

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    >> kelesh

    use the following in foobar2000: device: 'wave hq' [kernel streaming], '24-bit padded to 32', 'dsp resampler', frequency=96000, precision: 64bit

    this should give you quite good results :)

    /E
     
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    kelesh New Member

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    "precision: 64 bit" ?? where do I choose the precision?
     
  11. Eugene Gavrilov

    Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator

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    in the resampler properties

    /E
     
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    RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature.

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    No longer available in 0.7+ releases ;)
     
  13. kelesh

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    creative's drivers seem to sound pretty good with Foobar 2000 using upsampling and kernel streaming output.

    has anybody compared creative's drivers w/ foobar 2000 w/ kernel streaming vs kx drivers ?
     
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    humbug, after listening some more i am not sure, so i uninstalled creatives wdm drivers and installed kx's... if it messes my system up i'll just reformat again.... i decided now was the time to test
     
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    What sampling rate exactly? 48 or 96 KHz?

    And what other settings in DSP do You use?
    What overally should I do to eliminate hiss level on maximum level?
     
  17. kelesh

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    With creative's driver's I was using 32bit / 48kHz (i read here that 96kHz was in fact worse)

    With kx drivers only 24bit works, so i'm using 24bit/48kHz.

    Dsp's:
    Volume Control
    Crossfeed
    Gap Killer
    Crossfader
    (was experimenting with Convolver with LP 12kHz 36dB)
     
  18. Rogacz

    Rogacz Porcupine Floyd

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    Audigy 2 doasn`t support 32 bit streaming, so why You selected 24bit on creative drivers? And why don`t You use adv. limiter?
     
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    What does advanced limiter do?
     
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    Rogacz Porcupine Floyd

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    I`m not sure in this one, but it prevents clipping, especialy high tones. Well it should, I don`t have much clipped audio so can`t say for sure.
     

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