Nvidia CEO launches attack on Intel's Larabee

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  1. HardwareHeaven

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    Nvidia CEO Jen Hsun Huang seems rather unimpressed with Intel's forthcoming Larabee when talking at a recent GTC event. He told a roomful of journalists that "The fact of the matter is that Larrabee has launched and launched and launched to the point where even you're not that interested anymore".

    He then went on to describe the fact that Nvidia do not speculate about anything and that their technology was latency tolerant and they could simply use another thread out of thousands of others they are executing on at any other time. He also made the point that Intel will be facing different problems as the two approaches by the companies are very different. He also went on to state that Intel had now slipped by many years.

    I personally feel that with the billion dollar research funding behind Intel that they will be able to compete, if not initially then certainly a few years later.
     
  2. comp_ali

    comp_ali Sniper

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    Nvidia fail , why doesn't it just shut the f*** up and care about its own products ? Yes, me too . I think Intel will be a great rival in the GPU field after dominating the CPU field with the incredible performance but not sure about pricing . Intel is behind AMD in Price/performance but it has been always in the top regarding performance and temperatures.
     
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    I don't know how good Intel's initial products will be, but to just try to insult them with trash talk, is stupid.
    He is talking about Intel, not some unknown "poor" company that knows nothing about the business.
    Jen Hsun Huang's words smell of fear, not anything else.
    Just wait, see what Intel releases, then talk.
    Seriously shitty attitude by a CEO.
     
  4. clanman

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    I think it will be great to see 'three' big players in the GFX industry, its a little stale right now, needs someone like Intel to come in and shake it all up.

    Not sure they will manage to do that mind you, ATi and Nvidia are so damned good and have been doing this a long time. Its a different ball game to CPU's really.

    Will be an interesting year, 2010.
     
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    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    this is nvidia's way..

    they always talk like idiots.... produce scewed documents and publish absalute rubish about other companies products that show any sign of kicking their asses or being far more efficient and resourceful, fraction of a cost of what nvidia themselves are producing.

    They did it with powervr, they've done it with other things... they'll continue to do it until they finally 100% cross the legal line and get their asses handed to them in court.
     
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    What did they do with powervr Judas? must have missed all that.
     
  7. Judas

    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    They launched a rather terrible but negative compaign against PowerVR's Kyro 2 series of gpu's... point out every conceiveable thing that could go wrong with it and how it's a terrible design and how the nvidia gpu is superior...

    yet.. the geforce 2 gts/ultra's were having a hard time keeping up with a single kyro 2 chip that was 1/3rd the overall power and significantly less to produce not to mention 1/2 to 1/3rd the price.

    The fact that the powerVR card is the only one TO DATE that not only was one of the first to implement game profiling, but was the first that actually WORKED every single time and allowed for selection of various specific hardware level settings...

    It was..... when it launched, the most efficient, and user friendly and overall powerful card out there.. and even had the ability to trump in some specific cases, the geforce 3 and 4 cards. ATI radeon's at the time couldn't even touch it..

    Millions of those kyro 2 gpu's were sold, but STMicro dropped powervr for chip manufactureing and the series died, even though it was able to play games that no geforce 2 or older cards in the same era were able to play.

    It all came down to the unique style of rendering.... PowerVR's method is superior... it's high efficient, low cost and low power. It IS the gpu....

    Modern day GPUs still use a brute force method of doing things.... basically it still renders most of everything, and while methods have been introduced to increase this efficiency by the gpu and by the game.. it's still sucks up alot of power... where as powervr removes all the crap before doing work on it.

    Makes sense right? Imagine 100's of walls, behind each wall is a different object, each object has stuff all the way around it.

    Todays GPU's basically draw ALL those walls and all those object and all the details related to it, and then removes what it doesn't see waiting valueable time and resources costing insane amount of frames to be waisted. Powervr would only draw what you see, the first wall, the front of the object and nothing else outside..

    So while a GPU 5 times more powerful then the equivelent PowerVR card hits 100fps, the PowerVR card that is 5 times lower performance is able to hit 100fps.

    It's be like taking a ATI radeon 4450 or Nvidia 9400GT and getting the same or sometimes as much as twice the framerate then a Geforce GTX260 or ATI radeon 4870 gets.

    PowerVR is a huge leader in mobile devices, powering the iphone's graphics and whatnot, and in many handheld gameing platforms.. i think even the DS has a very low end powervr.

    Intel has purchased considerable amount/invested considerable amounts into powervr. The mention of larabee was shortly after they made such transactions with powervr, which was shortly after powervr demonstrated the very powerful mobile gpu's. This brings me to the possibibily that powervr may have something to do with larabee specially considering that some of it's designs and abilities closely match that of how powervr does it's stuff.

    I think Larabee may have alot of powervr's technology in it, and a pile of new development from intels arena as well. If this is the case, this will be insanely good news for us.

    Back in the kyro 2 days, the math done on paper matched the results 100%... it was true to it's paper results. With that in mind, at the time, if paired up with the highend technology available, the kyro 2 ultra (example name) could have produce results that neither nvidia/ati would have matched until the x19xx series. Meaning many years advanced performance wise.
     
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    Really , why did those Gpus died then.
     
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    they didn't die... stmicro didn't bother producing the next series....and powervr wasn't jumping right into the desktop gpus..

    like i said.. powervr is making a killing on the mobile sector due to their technology and methods that save money and power.... this is why nvidia/ati have barely been able to compete in that market.
     

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