Windows 10

Discussion in 'Windows & Other OS Discussion & Support' started by Trusteft, Oct 1, 2014.

  1. Judas

    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    Tried latest opera on another machine here.... still says i'm blocking them...

    Using the android default browser as well as chrome... can't see it either...

    So either A: the site is royally screwed up due to poor site management/development
    or B: it's have a fit with location based on the IP address and is making assumptions, because after disabling everything and running even with IE8 which i have on a XP install that is clean as a whistle on this machine beside me, it still reports that i'm actively blocking ads.

    In either case, someone fucked up there.
     
  2. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood HH's curmudgeon

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    I could view it fine with chrome and adblock...
     
  3. MIG-31

    MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Staff Member

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    Very odd with the link Trusteft posted.

    Click it once on windows edge all I get is Forbes Homepage, Just closed and reopened the link now works.
    But this is what it says:

    When 'Free' Windows 10 Becomes Expensive You Should Fear This

    Here is a date which should worry you: July 29th 2016. This is the date Microsoft MSFT +1.92% will start charging for Windows 10. Here is another date which should worry you more: July 17th, 2017. Why? Because it just made July 29th, 2016 one heck of a lot worse…

    July 17th, 2017 is at the heart of perhaps Microsoft’s most disingenuous attempt yet to force users onto Windows 10. It has tried numerous tricks like automatically downloading Windows 10 on your computer and placing it in a secret folder (even if you declined the upgrade), and gradually reducing the ease of saying no with malware-like pop up choices such as ‘upgrade now’ or ‘upgrade tonight’ (see below).

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    But July 17th, 2017 is the killer. This is the last possible date Microsoft will allow Windows 7 or Windows 8 to be used on a cutting edge computer and still receive essential support like security patches. If this sounds a bit odd that’s understandable because Windows 7 and Windows 8 were meant to be supported until 14 January 2020 and 10 January 2023 respectively. But under the new rules that only applies if your hardware stays in the dark ages.

    Right now these rules are being forced on businesses only, but there seems no reason it won’t be expanded to consumers. Microsoft isn’t fooling anyone, even traditional allies are angry. But the real fear for Windows 10 owners is not that this date hurts Windows 7, which is on 55% of computers worldwide, but what it says about Windows 8 and its 10% market share…

    Windows 8 Is Windows 10

    This is actually a near literal statement. The dark secret of Windows 10 is it is built around the core of three year old, uncool Windows 8. Windows 7 has a similar dark secret, it is built around the core of the 10 year old and truly reviled Windows Vista. They’re good OSes built from poor ones.

    As such it is frustrating but perhaps understandable that Microsoft’s blog post ‘Windows 10 Embracing Silicon Innovation’ would herald the new platform’s optimisation when using new hardware and announce the curtailing of support for Vista-based Windows 7 on the same chips. But to take the same action with Windows 8 is clearly ludicrous.

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    I quizzed Microsoft on this point and received the following response: “The guidance we’ve received is to direct you to Terry’s blog: Windows 10 Embracing Silicon Innovation from Jan 15th. I’m sure you’ve already seen this but they currently have nothing further to share outside of this blog.”

    Yes, Microsoft will continue to pass off associating Windows 8 with Vista-based Windows 7 while proclaiming the core of Windows 10 as designed for “embracing silicon innovation” – a core that’s actually built on Windows 8. And here’s where the real fear comes in…

    Core Contradictions

    Windows 10 is supposed to be “the last version of Windows”. That after this there will be no ‘Windows 11’, just a slew of ongoing updates as the platform evolves forever. The contradiction being its (Windows 8) core is deemed so strong that Windows 10 should never expire. Except it does. Support for the six month old OS actually lasts just two years longer than the three year old now sidelined and discredited Windows 8.

    Again I asked Microsoft to answer some obvious questions:

    1. Why does a never ending OS have a support expiry date?
    2. Will the Windows 10 support date change with new updates?
    3. What guarantees do customers have that the support date cannot be negatively impacted using tactics like the hardware restrictions placed on Windows 8?
    The response came via the Microsoft’s public relations team: “We have looked into this for you and wanted to let you know that Microsoft is declining to comment on this at this time.”

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    The worst case scenario sees Microsoft evolve free Windows 10 into a SaaS (software as a service) model complete with monthly subscription in a few years time (Windows 10.1?). The precedent for enforcing this is also now there: users can avoid the subscription by staying on Windows 10 until support expires in 2025, but Microsoft can repeat its Windows 8 trick of removing support on new hardware so all Windows 10 computers become antiquated.

    The best case scenario is Microsoft only tried to kill off Windows 8 using disingenuous reasons because it thought no-one would really care. That’s morally dubious, but it could therefore be a one-off tactic. Meanwhile the company is only quiet about future support for Windows 10 because it genuinely has no idea how it will play out yet. That would make the company ill-prepared but honest.

    Either way come July 29th, 2016 Windows 10 will cost just as much as previous versions of Windows for anyone who has yet to upgrade. So during the six remaining months of the free upgrade program Microsoft is conscientiously setting fire to the Windows 7 and Windows 8 ecosystems while repeatedly pointing billions towards Windows 10 as an appealing life raft.

    The problem with all this is it’s hard to trust a life raft when it’s given out by a company who deliberately set everything ablaze to make you get on it in the first place. And it’s even worse when that company claims to have no comment on where the life raft is headed…
     
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    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    ooo... the regurgitated load of anti-microsoft style propaganda... they talk like they've got dirt on microsoft so significant... that there wouldn't even need to be a trial as it's completely obvious.

    The wording in the article is such that it really makes a weak minded reader actually "want" to believe this stuff, mixing in non-sense with a few facts just to make it seem valid.

    People have their head so far up their ass, using exclusively, opinions, perhaps in some of the cases, based on a "majority" of idiots that hold the same opinion regardless of it being actually false.

    As for the end date for support of microsoft windows 10... i don't happen to know which email i received regarding official microsoft information (sent by microsoft) regarding this, but it'll be elaborated on, though i'm sure if i went and actually googled, i'd probably find the clarification. Basically every build of windows 10 will have it's own expiry since they work like "service packs".... Each version of windows with service packs has a end of life... so why would unique builds of windows 10? For example, the build 10240 from what i understood in the clarification was that it would indeed end in the above date set, and follow up builds depending on when they were released, would as well... The idea is to keep the OS fresh, bringing a build out once a year or once every 2 years... maybe twice a year depending on the significance of the critical updates required that cannot be implemented by a sub-build update.

    Even that last paragraph of the article clearly illustrates the huge effort the writer made to try and feed the trolls, gotta love clickbait bullshit right? I laugh at anyone that remotely thinks any of it's entirely valid, no reasonable/intelligent person would actually acknowledge it as such.
     
  5. Trusteft

    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    Right....Well, at least the world still has you the genius. There is hope.
     
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    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    You said it... i didn't...

    No one has to be a genius to figure out the article writers bias, the writer makes it abundantly obvious with just a few words. It should be basic common sense to comprehend.
     
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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    Yes yes, as I said, you are the genius here.
     
  8. Judas

    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    you keep saying it... disingenuously...
     
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    Nah nah nah... ungeniusly
     
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    Takaharu Unus offa, unus iuguolo

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    To put it another way: Microsoft OSX.
    • One major version with minor updates
    • Latest minor version not compatible with old hardware
    • Version 10
    • Reduced variety of compatible hardware
    • Similarities between Surface and iPad, Surface Book and MacBook
    • You get the idea...
     
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    MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Staff Member

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    Does any one have an issue with W10's Edge browser Tabs..

    When I have two tabs open at the top, randomly edge will temporally close for a second and then come up almost as it were. Except for the tabs they are no longer in a single open Tab, Re-opens with the two different web pages I have open in a separate browser.

    This happens about twice a day and even if I'm not using it.. Just an odd one.
     
  12. Judas

    Judas Obvious Closet Brony Pony

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    The only bug i have ran into is if i have up to 14 tabs open give or take.... and i pull a tab off and then later reintergrate it into the browser, there is a chance that it'll cause the tab list to glitch..... which eventually if i leave it run, will leave to the browser eventually closing as i continue to shift tabs off and back on/closing tabs/creating new ones....
     
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    Dyre Straits 10 Grandkids -1 Great-grandson-and one in the oven

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    Trusteft HH's Asteroids' Dominator

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    I'm curious... as i was looking through and i couldn't find... anything to do with potential of "logging into a microsoft account" while tests were running... Seems most people seem to be doing this which kind of blows my mind, specially if they really dislike the privacy issue...
     
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    Dyre Straits 10 Grandkids -1 Great-grandson-and one in the oven

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    With that said, I have not logged in with any MS account on mine.
     
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    FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud

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    well i've run windows 10 for 6 weeks and i still don't rate it ... much prefer the stability of windows 7 ... Windows 10 is quite buggy and it seems to freeze over 5 hours of usage .... i've decided i am going back to Windows 7 Pro
     
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    freeze?

    I've yet to have a BSOD occur on windows 10 let alone a freeze.... or even lag... outside of the ms edge tab issue i mentioned...
     
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    If you stick too many files in the user's downloads folder, it will lag while trying to index the files and sort them... that bug has been there since the Beta and is a bit frustrating as there aren't really that many files and nothing huge or bad file structure to cause it. Have seen that on multiple machines.
     
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