XP athlon or P4?

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  1. HardwareHeaven

    HardwareHeaven Administrator Staff Member

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    do you think the P4s are now becoming as good value as the XPs?

    my friend has a new P4 and he has it overclocked by 600 mhz without much problem, what do you guys think? are intel getting better or do you think AMD still have the edge?
     
  2. Andrew275

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    I still think that for the price/performance ration, you can't beat the Athlon right now. Of course, that all may change somewhere down the road, but I couldn't really justify buying a Pentium 4 over an Athlon XP.
     
  3. WyreTheWolf

    WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard

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    I agree with this statement... But, you never know what might be around the corner from the two chip giants. Right now Price/Performance still seems to be in the AMD arena ... especially with the raw muscle that the Athlon processors have. [email protected] anyone? :)

    Now around the corner is the 64 bit chips, and who knows what that could bring to the plate. But, for now IMHO it all kind of slides over to AMD.

    In the low priced rigs... AKA Celeron/Duron ... This has been done, and the Duron wins.
    If I remember correctly Intel is going to replace the current Celeron with a P4 based silicon, and disable half of the L1, and L2 cache. Don't hold me to that... but, I think I remember reading this somewhere.

    Only time will tell what is ahead... but there is some great competition out there... and only the consumer can win! :)
     
  4. high_ping

    high_ping King of the Wicker People

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    You know, I am getting the "build a new box" bug! I have never owned a PIII or P4, but I think with all the overclocking that has been going on lately with them...my next mobo and cpu will be a good P4 overclocking pair.
     
  5. Hysteria

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    I used to be a die hard amder. Now I consider myself a die hard value finder. I have come to the conculsion that saying one platform is better than the other at this point is fruitless. Both have their advantages. Right now I would have to say there is a slight edge to the p4 platform for overclockers. The 1.6a and 1.8a p4s are incredible overclockers (my 1.8a is a 2400) and really cheap. However, if you are not into overclocking than the athlon is by far the best value. I guess it boils down to what you want to do with the system. I have my concerns about the athlon's fsb though. I have to wonder if the hammer is going to be able to get enough bandwidth drom a rather limited 266mhz fsb. Guess we will see down the road.

    BTW fantastic forum!!!
     
  6. Candyman

    Candyman [DH] Lover!

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    I hate to admit it but I think I am on the same P4-boat as high_ping. My next system will be a P4 system. Not only for their solid performance...but also for SOME SILENCE!!!

    My system isn't loud, but I know that a P4 system would be quieter.
     
  7. WyreTheWolf

    WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard

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    Two words for you...

    "Water Cooling"


    hehehehehe
     
  8. Nologic

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    Well performance wise its the P4 all the way after the release of Intels new batch, before this it was AMD all the way.

    Cost of entry is less with AMD, but I think if you got the up front money to sport a new highend P4, you just might be getting better bang for the buck.

    Tom's Hardware was able to get the new 2.4 close to 3ghz with normall cooling and no tweaking, not to mention the new P4's scored damn near 30% higher than AMD's best.

    That all being said I'm still picking up my new 1.7 t-bird tomorrow. :)
     
  9. karanzz

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    well he in india they don't really like amd really, we still don't have the athlon xp1800 forget the 1900 so i guss P4 is what it is ... :mad:
     
  10. Necrosis

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    The hammer is supposed to have a 19gig bandwidth.

    With the recent price drops I was thinking about getting myself a P4 rig, but since their new 533mhz FSB processor is out. I'd have to buy one with the new chipset, and to acheive it's full performance by the new 1066mhz Rambus. I don't think it's very cost effective at all.
     
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    It's simple really,

    If you can afford it -> p4 with rambus.
    If you can't afford that -> p4 with ddr
    if you can't afford that either -> amd

    Current northwoods (512kb cache) oc much better than athlon xp's
    without any effort you easily run them at 2300/2400Mhz speeds. This with
    increased bus speeds just gives swings the advantage to intel.

    Besides it's Always A nice Idea you can't fry or crunch your cpu. and don't tell me you
    don't care about that. :)
     
  12. Crash Override

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    actually the systems with rambus ram at this time perform slower than those with ddr ram

    had a P4 1.3 with a half gig or PC800 RDRAM

    now I have a Tbird 1.4 with a half gig of PC-133 SDRAM

    Guess which is faster ;)
     
  13. Necrosis

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    I find it pretty funny no one has mentioned the Thoroughbred's that are coming out later this month or the first part of June. What about them? Before we tattoo "Intel Inside" on our foreheads we should give AMD a chance. Besides say if you buy a P4 and get yourself some Rambus, and overclock to 2.4 - 2.8 gig. What then in a few months? Intel seems to change sockets as fast as Nvidia releases video cards. The new Rambus memory for the 533mhz FSB processors is hard to find right now. If you really have the money, SAVE IT! Yet, I keep thinking about what is coming out this fall. Serial ATA, 64 bit Sledghammer, Clawhammer, NV30 & NV35 . How much will a system you buy now be worth then? Not much. I would much rather keep and/or, upgrade steadily what I have now and save money. When I'm running my dual Opertron system, I'll think of all those people that went out and blew their money now. Right now I would just get what you would need to get by.

    If your dying to have a P4 then fine..go with DDR. Seriously I was very interested at finding out if the new processors worked with all boards. I want to be sure I can upgrade in a few months to something better. I'd hate to spend that money and be stuck at 2.4 gHZ then have to overclock to acheive anymore speed out of the processor. Truly I think for those that bought processors before the 533mHZ FSB. Intel should keep making/upgrading chips for those boards. It's just their attempt at trying to cope with AMD's Thoroughbreds.


    P.S. I've owned 5 socket A processors and never once have I crushed or cracked the core on any of them. The previous four all have good homes and are keeping their current owners quite happy.
     
  14. Crash Override

    Crash Override Banned

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    I had one Tbird burn up

    and that was due to the corners that Gateway cuts when making PCs

    Did you know that right now I have a friend that just received his new 2.4A system from Gateway and it has a Ti4600, DVD Burner, and every other toy including a full gig of RDRAM

    Wanna guess what power supply they tossed on it?

    A generic brand 250W with a delta fan.

    Sound like enough power? I think not....thats why my Tbird died.....the HSF just didnt get enough juice and shutdown finally and fry sizzle

    but when you build your own system you can keep those issues down

    personally I think that Intel has this line out for now....T Bred comes out with another speed increase to keep up and then Hammer comes out and kicks butt then Intel comes back with something and then AMD does and so on and so forth
     
  15. Necrosis

    Necrosis Well-Known Member

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    Man...

    I have a friend who bought a Dell for college back in September 2000. I've done a number of upgrades on her system, and guess what it only had a 200 Watt PWS in it. I had to order the special "Dell" PWS from PC Power & Cooling. I also must add the heatsink without any active cooling was a nice touch. Of course that has been upgraded too. No more Win ME, Win XP Pro, and guess what it runs even better then when it was bran-new.

    Dude..Your Gettin Screwed....

    I hate that guy!
     
  16. Crash Override

    Crash Override Banned

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    :rolleyes:

    How dare you say you hate the almighty Steven?

    That dude rocks

    Duuuude....You're gettin a Dell!

    I love those commercials.......His g/f is pretty hot too *tongue on the floor*
     
  17. Talenzor

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    I think P4s have become every bit as much as a value as XPs. I bought a 1.6 Northwood like 4 months about for $150.00, it is sitting on 2.0 rock solid with plenty of room to go. The highest overclock I ever got out of an athlon was 300MHz
     
  18. Crash Override

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    For right now they are getting better value due to overclockability perhaps

    And I wont deny that Intel runs cooler

    but if we all go back to intel then we wont have more AMD products coming out now will we?

    Id rather spend 250 bucks to be in second place rather than 600 to be in first ;)
     
  19. UberLord

    UberLord A Legend in Underwear

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    Try explaining that to nVidiots ;)
     
  20. Ryoko

    Ryoko American Soldier

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    actually, compare $350 in first to $275 in second. the difference in speed is worth the $75 in that market.
     

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